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Old 20th Aug 2020, 04:11
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China Southern on the hunt again

Mere moments after summarily sacking hundreds of expats due to COVID, CS are on the hunt for crew again. Who in their right mind would be dumb enough to go for that?


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Old 20th Aug 2020, 04:20
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GMail address??? Looks very scammy to me
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 04:41
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My thoughts too but I have it confirmed as legit.

Edit: I hope it is a scam because itís BS expecting guys to line themselves up to be kicked to the curb next time someone eats a monkey.

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Old 20th Aug 2020, 04:42
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That will be via one of the many contract agencies they have use, having looked into it many years ago it looks legit.

The numbers look a tad low. Most people I know took jobs with them in the 400s.

They were chasing A320 Captains only recently for 450k Aussie. Plenty of cash for the rainy day account and that boat in the Phillipines for the weekends off.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 05:12
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Plenty of pilots will be going for this , blink and you will miss out .
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 05:17
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin View Post
Plenty of pilots will be going for this , blink and you will miss out .
With A330 Captains based in Mel, Bne, Syd, there'll be a stampede of applicants!
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 06:36
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Guys think for a second, what long haul operator could possibly want to put anyone new on their payroll.
Honestly just think for a second and tell me if you really believe long haul travel will be a thing this year (or the next for that matter).

Itís a sad sad reality but the fact is there is Nothing for anybody for the foreseeable future.
Please give me facts if you think otherwise, not flyers.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 07:19
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BBT80s: I know this is only China and the ad is for long haul destinations and networks, but the picture below is what I would call a fact. Taken a few minutes ago.

It seems that for a lot of Western countries, "flattening the curve" was just talk.



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Old 20th Aug 2020, 08:20
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Even when they do start again, won’t the worlds most complex assessment put a lot of of people off ?
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 09:03
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[answer not specific to CSN]

In previous, standard times lead-in time to "solo" captain was 12-18 months from the day of submitting an application. For long haul probably 18-36 although you become economically useful sooner as a relief PIC in the 18-24 months range.

To cover the crewing needs, or just against the risk of crew shortage, for peak traffic periods
- The National Celebration Day, October 2021
- Spring Festival, February 2022

recruiting needs to start right now.

Since for the moment, there are soon to be 8 (e-i-g-h-t) flights per week between the US and P.R.C., obviously, no recalls are on the daily menu. And the scheduling / recruiting team is in a classical position of damned when they do, damned if they don't.

Impossible to draw any conclusions.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 09:13
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As of 4 p.m. Beijing time, FR24 shows

70 aircraft airborne for Sichuan Airlines, fleet of 162
29 aircraft airborne for Capital Airlines, fleet of 87
32 flying for Loong Air out of 50 (that looks alright, actually)
55 / 96 from Spring Air (not there yet)
36 / 101 Shanghai Airlines (ouch)

The domestic operator I worked for has 26 planes running out of 85. Given the commuting rosters, ex-pat captains used to deliver around 15% of block-hours there. Hence until back to 85 % of the old schedule no need for any single one of us.

On top of all that in the interim, the fate of HNA conglomerate will have a significant impact. A major employer of foreign crews, imploding left, right, and centre already before the COVID started. How many were there, fourteen airlines inside the group?

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Supposedly the other airlines are required to take the HNA Pilots before employing foreigners.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 11:00
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
Supposedly the other airlines are required to take the HNA Pilots before employing foreigners.
And I heard that Qantas are required to employ every virgin pilot before the recruit...
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 13:29
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Would Qantas be allowed to sponsor foreigner work permits and residency while there were qualified ex Virgin citizens jobless ?

Besides the point really, similar to your witty irony. The job allocation system in PRC is vastly different from a typical western style employment market.

Not to mention the Party's obligation of care to their people in return for their subjugation.

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And I heard that Qantas are required to employ every virgin pilot before they recruit..
Judging by your sarcasm you've had a lot of experience living and working in a communist country.........
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Old 21st Aug 2020, 23:05
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A back to front photo of a B787?

Respond to that amateur advert at your peril.
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 00:50
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Two quick things here.
1. Beware Crewing Companies telling you that Airlines are recruiting. They aren't but they are happy to have you on their books. A lot of Airlines that were using crewing companies will not be in the future I expect.
2. I think QF will be dealing with the extra crew they have in house for years before they look outside for any including Ex VA crew. Every Airline is saying years before things get back to where they were in 2019 so a lot of us will be retired and working on our Golf swings by then.
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 04:53
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent View Post
As of 4 p.m. Beijing time, FR24 shows

70 aircraft airborne for Sichuan Airlines, fleet of 162
29 aircraft airborne for Capital Airlines, fleet of 87
32 flying for Loong Air out of 50 (that looks alright, actually)
55 / 96 from Spring Air (not there yet)
36 / 101 Shanghai Airlines (ouch)

The domestic operator I worked for has 26 planes running out of 85. Given the commuting rosters, ex-pat captains used to deliver around 15% of block-hours there. Hence until back to 85 % of the old schedule no need for any single one of us.

On top of all that in the interim, the fate of HNA conglomerate will have a significant impact. A major employer of foreign crews, imploding left, right, and centre already before the COVID started. How many were there, fourteen airlines inside the group?
These numbers from FR24 don't paint a good picture, for domestic operations you can expect about 40% of aircraft operating on one day on the ground at any one time, especially in China where ground delays due to airspace are common.

These figures are from yesterday and instead look at the number of aircraft which conducted at least one flight.

142/167 Sichuan Airlines
60/87 Capital Airlines
47/50 Loong Air
90 / 96 Spring Air
80 / 101 Shanghai Airlines
148/221 Hainan
181/189 Shenzhen Airlines, 5 of which are grounded 737maxs

Do note however that many widebodies 777/A350/A330 are only doing 1 return sector per day when they could easily be doing 2-3


I have found fleet lists @ https://www.planespotters.net/airline quite accurate with aircraft which don't fly for 2-3 days quickly moved to 'parked'
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 10:28
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Under full sails 40% of planes sitting momentarily down sounds OK, my guesstimate is 1/3 including the units under maintenance.

That is how I view my figures, out of 100 aircraft around 60 should be airborne in the afternoon. 27 actually flying does not paint a victorious picture of recovery.

But there are significant differences among Airlines, e. g. my Loongair numbers seem as busy as it gets. Well, besides the longhaul fleets who are truly screwed everywhere.

Even in China you can expect median 4 legs on n individual airframe, running at 50% enables to have each ship do 1 turnaround and the whole fleet looks active, but still delivering half of the block hours.





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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 11:01
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent View Post
Under full sails 40% of planes sitting momentarily down sounds OK, my guesstimate is 1/3 including the units under maintenance.

That is how I view my figures, out of 100 aircraft around 60 should be airborne in the afternoon. 27 actually flying does not paint a victorious picture of recovery.

But there are significant differences among Airlines, e. g. my Loongair numbers seem as busy as it gets. Well, besides the longhaul fleets who are truly screwed everywhere.

Even in China you can expect median 4 legs on n individual airframe, running at 50% enables to have each ship do 1 turnaround and the whole fleet looks active, but still delivering half of the block hours.
Agree, biggest lagers are HNA group airlines, Air China and Shanghai Airlines. Hainan and Air China rebuild hurt a bit by their exposure to Beijing which has had higher travel restrictions, Shanghai Airlines can be a result of bigger focus on the parent China Eastern who are the most active of the big 3. Others like Xiamen and Shandong Airlines doing quite well too.

Regardless ALL chinese airlines are doing far better than any other airlines right now! ShaSndongSShandongShandong Shandong
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