Covid Air NZ
If everyone is saying the same thing in the room.
The media is saying the same thing.
The government is saying the same thing.
The company is saying the same thing.
But you think they’re all wrong.
Who is the crazy one in the room here?
The media is saying the same thing.
The government is saying the same thing.
The company is saying the same thing.
But you think they’re all wrong.
Who is the crazy one in the room here?
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Suspect the answer will be along the lines of Elzilcho = RubberDogPoop = InZed = waren9 
This is a real sore point for me.
There are many people, in various jobs, who are at a far greater risk of contracting COVID than Aircrew. But because overseas is deemed as "scary", we become the scapegoats. Imagine if your local GP had to isolate from their family after every shift and get a COVID test... yet as we're seeing overseas, not even medical grade PPE is protecting them because they're around sick people all day.
As an example, First Responders in NZ can work on a Patient, showing symptoms of COVID, only to go about their day/shift as normal after dropping them at the Hospital... if that Patient then tests positive for COVID, the First Responders will be contact traced sometime in the next 2 weeks. Why? Because if every Ambo had to go into isolation because they worked on a Patient with a runny nose, we'd have none left.
Plain and simple, this a COVID election. Anything the media decides to go after and scare the public with, the Government jumps at.
Re. the 1 metre/ 2 metre / keep the middle seat empty stuff. The positive pressure within the aircraft was always seen as something that reduced risk of transmission (harder on short haul where the ratio of ground time, air con off to flight time, air con on will be greater). The distances in public are always going to be notional, as nobody in their right mind is going to do a randomised control trial to get an exact distance, plus the uncontrollable variables of wind, etc.
Let's just celebrate NZ's lack of deaths, a health service that hasn't been wrecked (in some countries over 10% of health staff have succumbed), and we have flights that can now be fully booked, at least providing more work and more revenue
Let's just celebrate NZ's lack of deaths, a health service that hasn't been wrecked (in some countries over 10% of health staff have succumbed), and we have flights that can now be fully booked, at least providing more work and more revenue
There are many people, in various jobs, who are at a far greater risk of contracting COVID than Aircrew. But because overseas is deemed as "scary", we become the scapegoats. Imagine if your local GP had to isolate from their family after every shift and get a COVID test... yet as we're seeing overseas, not even medical grade PPE is protecting them because they're around sick people all day.
As an example, First Responders in NZ can work on a Patient, showing symptoms of COVID, only to go about their day/shift as normal after dropping them at the Hospital... if that Patient then tests positive for COVID, the First Responders will be contact traced sometime in the next 2 weeks. Why? Because if every Ambo had to go into isolation because they worked on a Patient with a runny nose, we'd have none left.
Plain and simple, this a COVID election. Anything the media decides to go after and scare the public with, the Government jumps at.
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I see Foran went out on the media and expressed his view that a vaccine will only be 50% effective and take years to distribute.
How dare he go out against the status quo and think for himself based on the survey of 10000 Americans.
My god thats a conspiracy in the making right there with him thinking he knows better than anyone else.
Quick he must be subjigated by his pilot workforce, and have a psychological assessment too.
The world is going to end because of this one person, oh no!
How dare he go out against the status quo and think for himself based on the survey of 10000 Americans.
My god thats a conspiracy in the making right there with him thinking he knows better than anyone else.
Quick he must be subjigated by his pilot workforce, and have a psychological assessment too.
The world is going to end because of this one person, oh no!
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Imagine if your local GP had to isolate from their family after every shift and get a COVID test... yet as we're seeing overseas, not even medical grade PPE is protecting them because they're around sick people all day.
Plain and simple, this a COVID election. Anything the media decides to go after and scare the public with, the Government jumps at.
I see Foran went out on the media and expressed his view that a vaccine will only be 50% effective and take years to distribute.
How dare he go out against the status quo and think for himself based on the survey of 10000 Americans.
My god thats a conspiracy in the making right there with him thinking he knows better than anyone else.
Quick he must be subjigated by his pilot workforce, and have a psychological assessment too.
The world is going to end because of this one person, oh no!
How dare he go out against the status quo and think for himself based on the survey of 10000 Americans.
My god thats a conspiracy in the making right there with him thinking he knows better than anyone else.
Quick he must be subjigated by his pilot workforce, and have a psychological assessment too.
The world is going to end because of this one person, oh no!
I personally think there’s room for SOME relaxation. It will have to happen eventually. He’s got money in the game so of course he is going to have certain opinions. But relaxing borders to low risk countries (Taiwan, South Korea etc) and reduce their quarantine to one week on arrival (or arrival back into NZ if you’re going on holiday) is manageable. Compulsory mask coverings etc. will remain, but we all seem pretty used to wearing those nowadays. At least in Auckland.
It COULD work to specific countries with specific rules.
As you say that Jacinda has come out and said that masks are no longer compulsory on flights that don't arrive or depart in Auckland. I would have thought the sensible move would have been to retain masks on aircraft and public transport for the extra level of protection.
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I read the articles, including the Sydney Morning Herald, and didn’t see him say “50% effective” - without looking it up again to reference, I believe he referred to its effectiveness that ‘not everyone will take it and it won’t be 100% effective’.
Article : "Foran told the Sydney Morning Herald that after a successful vaccine is found, it will only, perhaps, be 50 per cent effective and take years to distribute around the world.".
Foran quote: ""In America... they've recently done a survey over there and only half the people said they'll take the vaccine," he says. "And then, of course, we have reinfection rates."
Ollie, are you trying to tell people something sensible? You are on thin ice, watch out for the backlash, the insults, gas lighting, and that you are inciting a conspiracy accusations.
Meanwhile, UK airlines Easyjet and Ryanair for the sake of everyone ARE making masks compulsory and no longer providing food service. However Air NZ are now introducing back drinks and snacks while face masks are mandatory...(errr doesn't that mean they all take their masks off when eating and drinking at the same time of food service?!)
Masks then stop being mandatory under level 1 outside to/from Auckland.
...IATA press release 66 / 24 Aug 20: "Wearing face coverings is a key recommendation of the International Civil Aviation Organization’s (ICAO) guidance for safe operations during the pandemic, as developed jointly with the World Health Organization and governments." I guess nz govt wasn't part of that.
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As you say that Jacinda has come out and said that masks are no longer compulsory on flights that don't arrive or depart in Auckland. I would have thought the sensible move would have been to retain masks on aircraft and public transport for the extra level of protection.
Minor subject change - what’s happened to the Q300 SFM? AM standing in at the moment... and now Q300 DFM advertised?
I appreciate that the future outlook for fleet management will be:
- SFM Wide Body
- SFM Narrow Body
- SFM Turboprop
They still appear to be dropping like flies.
I appreciate that the future outlook for fleet management will be:
- SFM Wide Body
- SFM Narrow Body
- SFM Turboprop
They still appear to be dropping like flies.
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Minor subject change - what’s happened to the Q300 SFM? AM standing in at the moment... and now Q300 DFM advertised?
I appreciate that the future outlook for fleet management will be:
- SFM Wide Body
- SFM Narrow Body
- SFM Turboprop
They still appear to be dropping like flies.
I appreciate that the future outlook for fleet management will be:
- SFM Wide Body
- SFM Narrow Body
- SFM Turboprop
They still appear to be dropping like flies.
Id say you are bang on regarding fleet management going forward.
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Trying for thread drift too now? Why would you post that in a Covid related thread? bahaha nice try.
Looks like they are keeping masks as required on all domestic flights while AKL on level 2, though food and beverage services start from 24th.
A work colleague did WLG - ROT this morning and Air NZ insisted on them from boarding until arrival.
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You can wear any old rubbish on your face and that satisfies the anxious. The reusable floral masks my family have on examination are useless. The blue paper ones I wear at my new job post airline are uncomfortable, get all fluffy after a few hours interaction with my stubble, and the fibers send me into coughing spasms by the end of the shift. (They’re gonna be super uncomfortable when it gets hot and humid in summer)
IMHO its just being seen to do something which makes some people feel better than doing nothing at all. (Like taking a pic of the tracing poster on the shop window even though you don’t have the tracing app because you don’t want the politburo knowing where you go and what you did any more than they already do)
IMHO its just being seen to do something which makes some people feel better than doing nothing at all. (Like taking a pic of the tracing poster on the shop window even though you don’t have the tracing app because you don’t want the politburo knowing where you go and what you did any more than they already do)
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I thought about posting a more scientific video demonstration of a mask in use, but seeing as we could all do with a uplift in life I thought this demonstration was more suitable...
IMHO its just being seen to do something which makes some people feel better than doing nothing at all. (Like taking a pic of the tracing poster on the shop window even though you don’t have the tracing app because you don’t want the politburo knowing where you go and what you did any more than they already do)
You manage to prove all of those stereotypes wrong.
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We’ll see..the science is constantly moving to favour the skeptics..the sheeple are looking more and more foolish every day.
#followthescience
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The politburo you should really be afraid of is called Five Eyes and the previous lot now allow all your internet and telecommunications to be routinely scanned by Uncle Sam at the NSA in Maryland
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I see Foran went out on the media and expressed his view that a vaccine will only be 50% effective and take years to distribute.
How dare he go out against the status quo and think for himself based on the survey of 10000 Americans.
My god thats a conspiracy in the making right there with him thinking he knows better than anyone else.
Quick he must be subjigated by his pilot workforce, and have a psychological assessment too.
The world is going to end because of this one person, oh no!
How dare he go out against the status quo and think for himself based on the survey of 10000 Americans.
My god thats a conspiracy in the making right there with him thinking he knows better than anyone else.
Quick he must be subjigated by his pilot workforce, and have a psychological assessment too.
The world is going to end because of this one person, oh no!
Do you like masks, or not?
Is Foran the devil incarnate, or not?
Do AirNZ make government policy, or not?
And I love this one:
Trying for thread drift too now? Why would you post that in a Covid related thread? bahaha nice try.
As I say to my kids, there comes a point when the smart play is to just shut up and not make the hole any worse....
