Covid Air NZ
A great win for legacy crew and yet the forun cleansing contract regime are now making over half of the most junior legacy crew ( only 204 crew left with over 25 years service will remain) take redundancy payment or take nothing and get recalled, effectively buying your job back but on sub par contract. Crew have offered LWOP plus a plethora of alternatives only to be told no . Buy your way back. This is the new way of Carrie and forum regime . Watch out we pilots are next. It's despicable .
Pilots negotiated furlough where you could retain your service benefits in lieu of a redundancy payment... effectively LWOP with a few key differences. For junior Pilots, Redundancy payout may have been the better option, but after a few years of service, retention of the service benefits and pay step on recall was likely more valuable if you were not reliant on the redundancy payment.
I assume, the key difference between Pilots and CC here in that Pilots are recalled based on Seniority regardless of their decision to take furlough or redundancy. Are CC only being offered recall if they decline a redundancy payment?
As we lose more and more exec’s, I wonder if we’re heading toward state ownership... if we’re not, as Carries portfolio grows, she’s going to destroy this Airline more than COVID has. Her vindictive and confrontational attitude toward staff is the absolute last thing anyone will want to deal with at a time like this.
State ownership, be it 100% or a larger stake similar to 2001 wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing given the current climate. Shareholders will take a hit of course (myself included) but they’ll recover in time.
State run however would see a lot of changes. With popular politics, we could see a return of loss making regional routes and very little appetite for future international expansion post COVID.
In saying that however, while I suspect we might not see a return of the 777’s, I doubt they’ll (Intentionally) shrink the International fleet anymore.
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Haven’t heard that rumour yet. A lot of talk that he’s “done what he was brought in to do”, and that the 70% Airline was always the goal... COVID just gave the cover to do it.
State ownership, be it 100% or a larger stake similar to 2001 wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing given the current climate. Shareholders will take a hit of course (myself included) but they’ll recover in time.
State run however would see a lot of changes. With popular politics, we could see a return of loss making regional routes and very little appetite for future international expansion post COVID.
In saying that however, while I suspect we might not see a return of the 777’s, I doubt they’ll (Intentionally) shrink the International fleet anymore.
State ownership, be it 100% or a larger stake similar to 2001 wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing given the current climate. Shareholders will take a hit of course (myself included) but they’ll recover in time.
State run however would see a lot of changes. With popular politics, we could see a return of loss making regional routes and very little appetite for future international expansion post COVID.
In saying that however, while I suspect we might not see a return of the 777’s, I doubt they’ll (Intentionally) shrink the International fleet anymore.
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Correct. And as the rumour continues to grow. Goodbye to those on furlough/redundancy re-hire clauses as she is working to severe all financial liability. I understand from a reasonably reliable sauce that there is potential legal challenge about to front the unions about this.
Correct. And as the rumour continues to grow. Goodbye to those on furlough/redundancy re-hire clauses as she is working to severe all financial liability. I understand from a reasonably reliable sauce that there is potential legal challenge about to front the unions about this.
Most Pilots took furlough. If the company attempts to sever them, they’ll all be owed redundancy payments... not to mention the costs associated with the legal battle.
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Correct. And as the rumour continues to grow. Goodbye to those on furlough/redundancy re-hire clauses as she is working to severe all financial liability. I understand from a reasonably reliable sauce that there is potential legal challenge about to front the unions about this.
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Correct. And as the rumour continues to grow. Goodbye to those on furlough/redundancy re-hire clauses as she is working to severe all financial liability. I understand from a reasonably reliable sauce that there is potential legal challenge about to front the unions about this.
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I wonder if Carrie has anything to do with all of this...
The AFFA was always due to expire. It was self renewing every 3 rosters to a maximum of 9 and would require another ratification ballot to extend any further... many of us pointed out in the early days that the 60IP trigger being tied to the AFFA was pointless as re-hiring was extremely unlikely occur during it's validity, but that's probably why the company agreed to it. From memory, it expires in January and the cost savings have already been accounted for until that point. So we're not terminating it early, just wont be extending it.
I had previously thought we would vote to extend it, however as Pilots down-trained to a lower paid position (i.e. most of us) are exempted from the Paycut, I believe the savings just aren't there anymore. Even more so now with the removal of all 777 Positions from the Notional List.
If we can't keep the 60 IP trigger post AFFA, then ideally we can get the company to agree on some trigger for re-hiring. As has been pointed out on the ALPA forums, IP is always cheaper per hour than hiring more Pilots, it's only F&D limitations (and fatigue reports) that can cause the company issues when the hours are up. 777 Pilots were constantly bouncing off 100/28 limits last year flying ~90hr rosters.
Honestly, and I might be proven wrong, I strongly believe any talk of Furloughed Pilots being removed from the list is just that... talk. The CC have been getting a rather raw deal from the Company lately (partly due to the failings of their Unions) and it's entirely possibly Chinese whispers have that extending to Pilots.
I had previously thought we would vote to extend it, however as Pilots down-trained to a lower paid position (i.e. most of us) are exempted from the Paycut, I believe the savings just aren't there anymore. Even more so now with the removal of all 777 Positions from the Notional List.
If we can't keep the 60 IP trigger post AFFA, then ideally we can get the company to agree on some trigger for re-hiring. As has been pointed out on the ALPA forums, IP is always cheaper per hour than hiring more Pilots, it's only F&D limitations (and fatigue reports) that can cause the company issues when the hours are up. 777 Pilots were constantly bouncing off 100/28 limits last year flying ~90hr rosters.
Honestly, and I might be proven wrong, I strongly believe any talk of Furloughed Pilots being removed from the list is just that... talk. The CC have been getting a rather raw deal from the Company lately (partly due to the failings of their Unions) and it's entirely possibly Chinese whispers have that extending to Pilots.
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Honestly, and I might be proven wrong, I strongly believe any talk of Furloughed Pilots being removed from the list is just that... talk. The CC have been getting a rather raw deal from the Company lately (partly due to the failings of their Unions) and it's entirely possibly Chinese whispers have that extending to Pilots.
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It's absolutely nothing more than talk and mixing together what is happening with another part of the business. For pilots, furlough is a part of your collective agreement. To that degree, it's as iron clad as any other part of your contract. The Cabin Crew union and the company couldn't agree on things so their furlough exists OUTSIDE of their collective agreement. Despite the union not being for it, cabin crew still signed up en masse. It is still a signed agreement so they company can't reneg in the absence of exit clauses however, I suspect the confusion on this topic exists from the next (possible) round of cabin crew redundancies and the company not wanting to offer furlough unless certain things are agreed to (the compulsion to offer it of course not existing because, as mentioned, it's not in the contract!).
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Correct. And as the rumour continues to grow. Goodbye to those on furlough/redundancy re-hire clauses as she is working to severe all financial liability. I understand from a reasonably reliable sauce that there is potential legal challenge about to front the unions about this.
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Ahh it took a while but sanity finally escaped out, and all the nay sayers thought I was wrong.
Covid-19: Dr Siouxsie Wiles criticises Air NZ for letting people remove masks
Interesting that the airline and its cronnies are perfectly happy to put us all at risk with a 20-50% increase in frequency in events like that at the Pullman Hotel recently.
Covid-19: Dr Siouxsie Wiles criticises Air NZ for letting people remove masks
Interesting that the airline and its cronnies are perfectly happy to put us all at risk with a 20-50% increase in frequency in events like that at the Pullman Hotel recently.
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Dr Wiles needs to climb back into her hole at the Auckland University and stop reporting sh*t in the media to increase her Twitter and social media following . Michael Baker needs to do the same 😡
