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Old 31st Aug 2021, 07:34
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Rex annual results are out. Haven't looked right through them but essentially saying a $4M loss after an $83M government handout. That $4m Loss is after reporting an expected $19M loss just a few weeks ago. Great few weeks!
Herr Sharp will have his usual cry and blame it all on that rascally predator Qantas.

If the shareholders are looking for someone to hang it should be the REX Board and CEO. They own this mess. COVID was always going to leave the cupboards bare, but starting a 737 operation on the premise that VA was gone forever has contributed massively to the REX losses. They have had Government handouts, have many subsidised routes, but have still come up short. Tsk tsk tsk.





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Old 31st Aug 2021, 07:46
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Rex have seemed to some reasonably well then. It was reported today in the Australian it’s estimated Virgin are loosing 100 million per month.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 09:20
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Rex have seemed to some reasonably well then. It was reported today in the Australian it’s estimated Virgin are loosing 100 million per month.
NO! NO! NO!

It's Bain who are losing the $100M per month, VA is just the asset/subsidiary/pipeline that is causing Bain to lose $100M/month.

For a corporate entity that is so money/profit voracious this must be giving them sleepless nights....as no end is in sight.
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Cut the asset loose they might. No end to covid in Australia in sight.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 20:23
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Originally Posted by 430W
Rex annual results are out. Haven't looked right through them but essentially saying a $4M loss after an $83M government handout. That $4m Loss is after reporting an expected $19M loss just a few weeks ago. Great few weeks!
it is an $18.4m loss after tax so inline with what they predicted a few weeks ago.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 22:44
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it is an $18.4m loss after tax so inline with what they predicted a few weeks ago.
No, that's the before tax loss. See the Investor Briefing at https://cdn-api.markitdigital.com/ap...df02a206a39ff4

The more complete reports and accounts are on the ASX website as well.

I still haven't had time to go through them but the cursory look I did have, I couldn't see where they broke out the losses across the two segments of their RPT ops being the commuter operation and the B737 operation. They say nothing in the narrative so can't call it much of an Investor Briefing. In fact you could say it is misleading in the omission.

Charter and training held up well.

To give REX their due, given the times not a bad result irrespective of how they got there. You would have to worry once that government tap is turned off though and that can't be too far into the future.
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It seems they've actually done quite okay, but not great.

Comparing the half year results, only an extra $28 mill of government subsidies have been received. This makes sense as job keeper is gone and certain subsidies were not available.

Pax revenue increased from $42m half year to $125m full year. The Saab operation never went back to full capacity (except QLD. Even WA isn't full schedule) during this second half period before the next round of lockdowns, so a decent amount of that can be attributed to the 737. Rex have been saying it's making money, so I guess they have to be trusted on that.
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Originally Posted by transition_alt
It seems they've actually done quite okay, but not great.

Comparing the half year results, only an extra $28 mill of government subsidies have been received. This makes sense as job keeper is gone and certain subsidies were not available.

Pax revenue increased from $42m half year to $125m full year. The Saab operation never went back to full capacity (except QLD. Even WA isn't full schedule) during this second half period before the next round of lockdowns, so a decent amount of that can be attributed to the 737. Rex have been saying it's making money, so I guess they have to be trusted on that.
I don't think we can trust them on that at all and their reluctance to provide properly segmented accounts "bells the cat". The known facts are that they were struggling to get 40% occupancy and lots of that was on $39 tickets which barely cover the airport charges and taxes. Both of these are far away from their original business assumptions. The only positive for them currently is that they probably lose less money on their 737 operations when they are grounded.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 02:36
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I’d imagine the investor would like to see them have a solid crack at the market for 12-24 months before making any calls on it. They really have only had a month or two without any lockdowns.

Whilst 2022 will be ‘getting back on track’ 2023 will be the year to see where this is going. That’s also the timeframe when Virgin and Jetstar starting taking Max’s and Neo’s, so not sure if Rex will ever find any stability in its ‘niche’, with the competition adding capacity every month.

Jayne seems pretty firm on her 33% which will be another problem.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 04:05
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Originally Posted by galdian
It's Bain who are losing the $100M per month. For a corporate entity that is so money/profit voracious this must be giving them sleepless nights....as no end is in sight.
Surely Bain must be looking to cut their losses at some point? $100M loss per month even for an Investment Firm must be raising questions from within?

Regarding Miss Jayne and her 'target 33%' of the domestic market. She obviously has a 'better polished' crystal ball than most others in the Industry. I guess the only benefit for VA is the 9 additional 737's are being leased on an 'hourly, dry flight rate' - similar to those 737's that have already returned to the fleet on lease. A win-win for both the lessor and VA.

It's going to be turbulent few months ahead.

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$100m sounds excessive. They have cut all the fat off, staff are on government handouts.

The Roo is burning what $40m a week? That’s including its share in Asian based low cost carriers also.

Virgin only has 70 machines. Seems a tad high.
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Originally Posted by Agent_86
Surely Bain must be looking to cut their losses at some point? $100M loss per month even for an Investment Firm must be raising questions from within?

Regarding Miss Jayne and her 'target 33%' of the domestic market. She obviously has a 'better polished' crystal ball than most others in the Industry. I guess the only benefit for VA is the 9 additional 737's are being leased on an 'hourly, dry flight rate' - similar to those 737's that have already returned to the fleet on lease. A win-win for both the lessor and VA.

It's going to be turbulent few months ahead.

- Max
"Per Hour Rate" isn't confirmed for the ex-Silk Air machines as they are likely to have different lessors.

The two ex-VA Mk 1 planes are likely to get the "per hour" lease rate as they share the same lessors as the last batch.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 09:41
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Pax revenue increased from $42m half year to $125m full year. The Saab operation never went back to full capacity (except QLD. Even WA isn't full schedule) during this second half period before the next round of lockdowns, ...
I understand that the Saab operations never got back to pre-pandemic levels but those ops were the sole source of the $42 million first-half pax revenue. Given that for the second half, overall regional pax numbers were better than the first-half you'd expect that Rex would have taken in somewhat more than $42 million from Saab operations in H2. Call it $48 million for H2 from the Saabs for an even $90 million full year.

That leaves $35 million in jet ops revenue over four months, with the last of those months being largely impacted by Sydney restrictions/lockdowns and other border closures.

In terms of profit, the non-jet ops (Saabs, freight, charter and other) had returned $14.2 million before tax for H1 but that was likely inflated by the government subsidies, JobKeeper and the like. Previously before tax profit had run at about 6 percent of revenue so if we were to apply that to the $48 million H2 revenue estimate for regional plus the additional $20.6 million in H2 freight, charter and other there should have been a further $4.1 million in profits. That gives you over $18 million in non-jet profits for the year.

That should put the $18.4 million operating loss in better context; it's actually somewhere between a $32-36 million loss that is almost certainly largely attributable to just four months of jet operations.

Separately, for those who remember John Sharp's misguided spray back in April that "Qantas is now technically insolvent since its limited unencumbered cash would not be sufficient to meet all of its liabilities that have fallen due, especially the refundable tickets worth billions", well, Rex's position is now such that the value of their payables and unearned revenue (ie refundable tickets) exceeds their cash and receivables balance. They are, of course, not "technically insolvent" but it is at least note worthy that they could be tarred with the same brush.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 22:35
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Originally Posted by DanV2
"Per Hour Rate" isn't confirmed for the ex-Silk Air machines as they are likely to have different lessors
Hard to see the lessors of the ex Silk-Air frames not following suite with the "per flying hour" rate. Afterall, if the aircraft weren't leased to a new operator they would more than likely become 'desert dwellers' in ASP where other Silk-Air machines have been stored previously.

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Hard to see the lessors of the ex Silk-Air frames not following suite with the "per flying hour" rate. Afterall, if the aircraft weren't leased to a new operator they would more than likely become 'desert dwellers' in ASP where other Silk-Air machines have been stored previously.

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but we all remember how good VA are at negotiating leases. Weren’t they paying more for ATRs than 737s at one point?
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 23:15
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but we all remember how good VA are at negotiating leases. Weren’t they paying more for ATRs than 737s at one point?
Old regime Brakerider, you knew that of course…..
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but we all remember how good VA are at negotiating leases. Weren’t they paying more for ATRs than 737s at one point?
Of course, many silly decisions made under "Borg and his Buddies"
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Anyone has any idea/info on what’s involved in the REX (737) interview ? Thanks.
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Old 14th Sep 2021, 10:29
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Anyone has any idea/info on what’s involved in the REX (737) interview ? Thanks.

except a 30 min rant from nifty on loyalty, then you’ll be asked to fill out a form agreeing to stay at the budget ibis on your overnights.
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That’s it ????? LOL…….do you work for REX ?
What’s their terms and conditions for Captains?
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