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Old 20th May 2021, 03:27
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I disagree Megan. The staff at Ansett would, at the worst, been indifferent to VB not surviving. I very much doubt that they would have done what P377 has described. It even went beyond the demise where the sons of pilots from that year were interviewed by VB to deliberately humiliate them and reject them from employment at VB.
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Old 20th May 2021, 04:55
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Virgin have just announced up to 700 new flights per week along with some new destinations, mainly into leisure markets such as Queensland and also the bread and butter ‘golden triangle’.

Makes you wonder why Rex are throwing money and resources at Canberra, a destination more than stitched up by the bigger airlines with their frequent flyer programs, lounge access and superior on board product?
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Old 20th May 2021, 05:13
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Originally Posted by megan
I very much doubt the same would not have happened if the positions were reversed.
I very much doubt it would have happened. VB was not a threat to AN as much as AN Management was.

QF was AN's focus and VB merely filled a vacuum & even then, didn't take all of the free market share on offer.
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Old 20th May 2021, 05:49
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
I disagree Megan. The staff at Ansett would, at the worst, been indifferent to VB not surviving. I very much doubt that they would have done what P377 has described. It even went beyond the demise where the sons of pilots from that year were interviewed by VB to deliberately humiliate them and reject them from employment at VB.
I call bull****
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Old 20th May 2021, 06:17
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Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
I very much doubt it would have happened. VB was not a threat to AN as much as AN Management was.

QF was AN's focus and VB merely filled a vacuum & even then, didn't take all of the free market share on offer.
You and LL can doubt it all you like. I stand by my words. I was there. I saw it. And so did others. it had nothing to do with ‘threat’ but everything to do with attitude.

You are forgetting that the then VB ramp staff were mostly not long term aviation folk. Most were fresh from other industries, or have you forgotten that also? VB did not want to hire unionised AN or QF rampies, flight attendants, or pilots where possible. They were mostly youngsters with a mere 12 months experience when AN folded, they had yet to learn the principles of loyalty and how you shouldn’t **** in your nest in the aviation industry as you never know what is just around the corner. I know that for a fact because I unfortunately happen to know a Mr B. Highfield extremely well. They didn’t want people who might rock the boat, they wanted fresh meat that could be manipulated and moulded so they hired a lot of youngsters who worshipped Lord Branson like he was some kind of Messiah, and the monkeys got paid peanuts. They were dancing around on the tarmac, face painting, making funky announcements, even challenging Darth Dixon from QF to don a flight attendant dress and makeup and be part of the FA crew on the first International VB flight from London to Sydney. The look on old Scrotum Face Dixon’s face was priceless. Like the Queen at a Manpower stage show. Hell, Amanda Chappell even got her tits out in the flight deck on one of the flights. VB certainly didn’t operate the way AN and QF did and those ramp staff flipping the bird and waving goodbye to AN won’t be forgotten by those who saw it.

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Old 20th May 2021, 06:46
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P377 I am agreeing with you, not doubting your observations. The statement put forward was that Ansett staff would have done the same thing if VB had gone under. Thats what Buster and I are disputing.

I call bull****
Call whatever you like morno, it happened and was indicative of what P377 is referring to regarding the behavior of VB staff when Ansett collapsed.
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Old 20th May 2021, 08:05
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Uh huh. Are we still carrying on about Ansett 20 years later?
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Old 20th May 2021, 08:19
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If you are not interested then don't post.
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Old 20th May 2021, 09:09
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
I'm not dancing on anyone's grave but was trying to get clarity around the discussion on ownership and the consequence of the jet operation failing. You might want to read the post and reign in the moral indignation.
You talk about Ansett etc but this whole thread is filled with comments effectively “praying” that Rex don’t survive. Sorry if I picked you in particular, just sick and tired of reading the same BS.

And now we are descending into yet another argument about Ansett!!

I for one hope that Rex AND Virgin survive. The industry will be better for it. Isn’t it about time we can squeeze in a 3rd jet airline? The population then VS now sure says the market is much bigger!!
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Old 20th May 2021, 09:20
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Well to be fair Rex did rise out of the Ansett ashes so there is at least a link, albeit tenuous. I doubt anyone of any religion is praying for the demise of Rex but JS has put his head above the trench and shot his mouth off so people are just shooting back. The reality is the domestic market is very reliant on international tourists and at the moment 3 players are chasing a smaller market than 20 years ago.
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Old 20th May 2021, 10:54
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My thoughts have certainly changed in recent weeks. I think less about the airlines being competitive and combative which is BAU in times of a normal operating environment, to thinking more of a wanting them all to survive. Why? Because the aviation sector is well and truly buggered. In turn, the flow down effect upon our economy, and global economies is immeasurable. Virtually every single business and industry survives because of aviation. Pressure needs to be applied to the correct area - which is the political sphere. They are the ones calling the shots and they need to provide better direction, solutions and workable measures.

Whether we think he is right or wrong, the Prime Minister has made the decision to allow border closures. That’s a third of the job done. JobKeeper and JobSeeker were a third of the job done. Now it’s time for some kind of workable solution to assist the thousands who are still out of work, about to lose their homes or have lost their nest eggs. We should be financially compensated. It sounds extreme but why not. They spend hundreds of billions of dollars on other crap. If we are as resilient as they say, then surely a half competent Government would be able to compensate its people adequately and then recoup those expenses down the track? I notice our politicians are not losing their jobs, businesses and nest eggs. It would be interesting to see the shoe on the other foot. Assholes.


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Old 20th May 2021, 11:58
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The official unemployment rate announced today is a very low 5.5% and 30,000 jobs available in Qld alone remain to be filled.
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Old 20th May 2021, 12:43
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
The official unemployment rate announced today is a very low 5.5% and 30,000 jobs available in Qld alone remain to be filled.
Does your source of information come from Josh Fraudenberg’s office? If these are Government statistics then I would trust that information as much as I trust the inmates of Woodford Jail. Governments are filled with liars and spin doctors. Even an unemployed person who picks up 2 hours work is now classed as an ‘employee who is in a job’. Oh well, it’s good to see all of those cafe, restaurant, tourism and aviation workers must now all be employed.
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Old 20th May 2021, 12:58
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377
Does your source of information come from Josh Fraudenberg’s office? If these are Government statistics then I would trust that information as much as I trust the inmates of Woodford Jail. Governments are filled with liars and spin doctors. Even an unemployed person who picks up 2 hours work is now classed as an ‘employee who is in a job’. Oh well, it’s good to see all of those cafe, restaurant, tourism and aviation workers must now all be employed.
Go out to outback Queensland where the number of job vacancies is bordering on ridiculous. They can’t get enough people to run the tourist attractions, the restaurants, the roadhouses, etc.

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Old 20th May 2021, 13:35
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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
You talk about Ansett etc but this whole thread is filled with comments effectively “praying” that Rex don’t survive. Sorry if I picked you in particular, just sick and tired of reading the same BS.

And now we are descending into yet another argument about Ansett!!

I for one hope that Rex AND Virgin survive. The industry will be better for it. Isn’t it about time we can squeeze in a 3rd jet airline? The population then VS now sure says the market is much bigger!!
Well they had multiple goes at it. Compass, Impulse, Ansett Mk2, Tiger Airways, Tigerair, Virgin Mk 2 (Australia).

Only 3rd airline that actually had a go at it is Virgin Mk 1 (Blue), which unfortunately morphed into the unprofitable Virgin Mk 2 (Australia) once Borghetti and the Singaporean/Abu Dhabi mob took over.
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Old 20th May 2021, 13:42
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377
You and LL can doubt it all you like. I stand by my words. I was there. I saw it. And so did others. it had nothing to do with ‘threat’ but everything to do with attitude.
You saw AN staff celebrating VB's demise? I think you've misunderstood my post.
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Old 20th May 2021, 21:31
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I think we need to get back on track everyone.
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Old 20th May 2021, 22:00
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Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34
I think we need to get back on track everyone.
REX seems to be getting full loads around the weekends, and reducing some frequency mid-week SYD MEL.
So far, their actual roll out of routes has been very modest compared to the volume of noise being generated.
Could it be that they're being strategic? Baiting QF/Virgin, then sensibly waiting for the initial overreaction to die down, before pushing on?
Or simply clueless as per the consensus of this thread?
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Old 20th May 2021, 23:12
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Not clueless. They rolled the dice and it’s not gone their way. Their entire operation has now become marginalised with their core Saab operation now an ageing unessential contributor in Australian aviation. They might find in a few years they need to cannibalise their own fleet for spare parts should they continue.

They might hang around for quite a while yet, but shareholder wealth destruction is a pretty sure thing. It’s a dead operation walking as a resurgent Virgin and of course Qantas literally steal their daily lunch. Only one of Virgin and Rex will survive in any significance…it’s clear to me who that is at the moment.
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Old 20th May 2021, 23:33
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Not sure who's clueless. There's only one airline that's significantly bleeding cash at the moment in Australia and it isn't R or V. This from actual ASX statements, not warm and fuzzy feelings about who you want to survive.
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