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Old 29th Apr 2021, 10:24
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 10:48
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Sharp and Co will say anything for some free publicity portraying REX as the underdog....a sad old man
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 10:52
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That’s the first statement he has actually made giving a small hint of defeat and potential exit. He had been very vocal as we all know around how good it is to start a airline, we are going great guns etc..

Parked alongside at OOL the other day they can’t keep going with these numbers. We counted 9 offloaded and the baggage cart had about half dozen bags for the return.

I am led to believe that they are also flying some zero flights. Not sure if anyone can verify that.


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Old 29th Apr 2021, 11:21
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It’s simple.

Qantas and Virgin (like every airline in the world) had virtually ground to a halt during the worst aviation crisis the world has seen and are now ramping up operations, stimulating demand and getting aircraft and staff flying again, even if that means not necessarily making huge sums of money in the short term.

While Rex was the only airline in the world to make a profit on the back of massive government handouts and leveraged that position to take a massive gamble on what the Australian aviation landscape would look like post COVID by starting an entirely new jet operation.

Now that their expensive Jet operation gamble has failed spectacularly it’s a bit rich to blame the incumbents when their whole business model revolved around there not being a Virgin Australia to compete with 🙄
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 11:52
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This is just sad to watch. When will this man actually take some responsibility? It beggars belief that he can actually make these statements and be taken seriously. The ACCC must have a special Rex inbox to handle all the appeals that come their way. Embarrassing!
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 11:58
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I see Alliance is retiring the F50. Could REX use these aircraft and strengthen their turboprop operations in conjunction with the proposed ATR's?
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 12:19
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I refer to my post #398
Getting very close now - five months and fourteen days and counting 😳
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 12:40
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Originally Posted by pinkpanther1
This is just sad to watch. When will this man actually take some responsibility?
That’s the problem. He was a politician. He is used to doing and saying whatever he wants under parliamentary privilege. He is used to getting whatever he wants, when he wants. He is used to doing whatever he wants without being held to account. He is used to doing slippery deals behind protected doors that always benefits himself. He has taken that mindset and applied it to REX. Unfortunately he is too stupid to realise that although he can still call in favours, he no longer has the full freedom to do as he wants without consequences, without accountability even.

The decision to start 737 operations should ultimately be laid at the Board Chairman and CEO’s feet. The two of them got this business decision very wrong and they are paying a huge price for it, with more pain to come. Sharp might go down screaming that the entire world is at fault and not him, but it won’t change the fact that he has screwed up big time. The 737 operation will end in tears. And even though Joyce is circling an injured lamb and would love to bury them once and for all, he is playing a smart game. He knows the REX 737 operation is bleeding to death. Why risk the ire of the Australian public or a pineapple from the ACCC when REX is killing itself off without help from anybody else!



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Old 29th Apr 2021, 23:44
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Originally Posted by Saintly
I see Alliance is retiring the F50. Could REX use these aircraft and strengthen their turboprop operations in conjunction with the proposed ATR's?
The F50s may be too young for Rex to consider.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 23:55
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377
That’s the problem. He was a politician. He is used to doing and saying whatever he wants under parliamentary privilege. He is used to getting whatever he wants, when he wants. He is used to doing whatever he wants without being held to account. He is used to doing slippery deals behind protected doors that always benefits himself. He has taken that mindset and applied it to REX. Unfortunately he is too stupid to realise that although he can still call in favours, he no longer has the full freedom to do as he wants without consequences, without accountability even.

The decision to start 737 operations should ultimately be laid at the Board Chairman and CEO’s feet. The two of them got this business decision very wrong and they are paying a huge price for it, with more pain to come. Sharp might go down screaming that the entire world is at fault and not him, but it won’t change the fact that he has screwed up big time. The 737 operation will end in tears. And even though Joyce is circling an injured lamb and would love to bury them once and for all, he is playing a smart game. He knows the REX 737 operation is bleeding to death. Why risk the ire of the Australian public or a pineapple from the ACCC when REX is killing itself off without help from anybody else!
It is hard to see what Sharp expects ACCC to do. Does he think a certain % of market share should be set aside for REX's use or that QF and VA have to charge a set fare? As was stated both airlines are effectively restarting from a ridiculously low base so, of course, they are adding capacity regularly and are also stimulating demand through rolling special deals. REX's entire jet expansion was predicated on the mistaken belief that VA would not restart and REX could copy Virgin Blue's 2001 playbook and become Australia's second airline. When Bain announced they were purchasing VA, REX should have seen that its attempt to start a jet operation was doomed. Bain was investing way too much to allow VA to fail.

Some have suggested that REX had a long-term plan to prompt Bain to also enquire the REX operation. That may have been a plan if they had maintained a successful regional operation and stuck to their knitting. It looks like REX will emerge from this folly severely weakened so Bain will not be interested in acquiring from the shareholders and will probably prefer to wait until they can get business from administrators at a discount price without the associated liabilities having to be taken on.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 01:30
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Originally Posted by 1A_Please
It is hard to see what Sharp expects ACCC to do. Does he think a certain % of market share should be set aside for REX's use or that QF and VA have to charge a set fare? As was stated both airlines are effectively restarting from a ridiculously low base so, of course, they are adding capacity regularly and are also stimulating demand through rolling special deals. REX's entire jet expansion was predicated on the mistaken belief that VA would not restart and REX could copy Virgin Blue's 2001 playbook and become Australia's second airline. When Bain announced they were purchasing VA, REX should have seen that its attempt to start a jet operation was doomed. Bain was investing way too much to allow VA to fail.

Some have suggested that REX had a long-term plan to prompt Bain to also enquire the REX operation. That may have been a plan if they had maintained a successful regional operation and stuck to their knitting. It looks like REX will emerge from this folly severely weakened so Bain will not be interested in acquiring from the shareholders and will probably prefer to wait until they can get business from administrators at a discount price without the associated liabilities having to be taken on.
I imagine that even Rex doesn't expect the ACCC to do much, if anything at all. The only play I can see is that the ACCC gives them a shoutout in their next quarterly report on the state of the aviation market. If they got really excited the ACCC could investigate potential capacity dumping by QF/JQ/VA, but it is hard to make a case of that, and even harder for them to do anything about it. Rex is just making a lot of hot air in the same way that Ryanair does it - get the brand out, sell the woe is me, and hope that people will buy tickets off the back of it. It sounds simple but it is a fine balance because people won't buy tickets on a carrier that is, intentionally or not, admitting that they are struggling. I would think it would be better to complain less about your competitors (at least in the public sphere) and focus on spruiking how good your airline is, but my guess is that is not in Sharpy's playbook as it doesn't usually work well for pollies, especially those of a conservative ilk.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 02:20
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my guess is that is not in Sharpy's playbook as it doesn't usually work well for pollies, especially those of a conservative ilk.
Or any ilk. Wouldn't see me rushing to buy tickets on Victoria's 'Dan Air' whilst I could walk to WA.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 13:53
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Originally Posted by 1A_Please
The F50s may be too young for Rex to consider.
Saab's are not as old as the F50s
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 21:49
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Originally Posted by Saintly
Saab's are not as old as the F50s
We need a sarcasm emoji it seems.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 22:29
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Originally Posted by Saintly
Saab's are not as old as the F50s
Average fleet age is about the same. Rex's oldest Saab and Alliance's oldest F50 are the same age - they both rolled off their respective production lines within two days of each other back in June 1989.
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Old 1st May 2021, 02:25
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Originally Posted by 1A_Please
We need a sarcasm emoji it seems.
Nah all good mate. I could see the humour. I just responded differently. Cheers.
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Old 1st May 2021, 02:25
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
Average fleet age is about the same. Rex's oldest Saab and Alliance's oldest F50 are the same age - they both rolled off their respective production lines within two days of each other back in June 1989.
I dont think REX will choose the F50 anyway. Probably not an aircraft they rate or not in their radar. Maybe ATM'S perhaps.
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Old 1st May 2021, 02:27
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Going off the loads of their 73 of late, they could make more out of using PA-31
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Old 1st May 2021, 05:21
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So how was their "busy" Friday night?
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Old 1st May 2021, 05:48
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Nothing above 35 pax in the last week
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