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Old 16th Nov 2020, 01:56
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Originally Posted by wheels_down
Jetstar is successful because they have a large share (well now monopoly) of the low cost market across the domestic network, with many routes that not even Virgin will attempt. They also have some serious frequency on many leisure routes. The brand also has a higher percentage of brand awareness in the industry segment compared to Virgin.

Rex also is a brand that not many people would be aware of. They don’t even have a Facebook page, and I assume they don’t even have a marketing department. You don’t think Rex when you want to fly to Sydney just like corporates never considered Tiger for any routes. It doesn’t even pass your mind, you just book with QF or VA.

Sharpie seems very confident. Perhaps he sees something we don’t.
when you say

when you want to fly to SYD, the routes Rex currently flies don't have much competition except for likes of ABX & DBO to SYD & probably some others. Virgin won't be flying ABX/SYD anymore unless Alliance does for them using F50/70/100 or E190.
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 22:48
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ex the ASX: Rex Signs Binding Agreement with PAG on Funding......

REX- ASX announcement (19/11/20) link here: https://cdn-api.markitdigital.com/ap...df02a206a39ff4

A brief extract:

19 NOVEMBER 2020-
ASX RELEASE: REX SIGNS BINDING AGREEMENT WITH PAG ON FUNDING FOR DOMESTIC JET OPERATIONS

Rex today announced that it had signed an agreement with PAG Regulus Holdings Pte Ltd (PAG), a subsidiary of leading Asia-Pacific focused investment firm PAG that will see an investment by PAG of up to AUD150 million to be used exclusively to support the launch of Rex’s domestic jet operations scheduled to commence on 1 March 2021 (Funding).......
Subject to Shareholder and FIRB approvals, etc.

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Old 19th Nov 2020, 23:48
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Originally Posted by getaway
when you say

when you want to fly to SYD, the routes Rex currently flies don't have much competition except for likes of ABX & DBO to SYD & probably some others. Virgin won't be flying ABX/SYD anymore unless Alliance does for them using F50/70/100 or E190.
That is because REX usually runs away from competition. It is going to find the rough and tumble world of mainline operations very hard and will lose millions along the way. I wish the employees of REX all the best but if they try to make you take shares in lieu of salary...DON'T!!!
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Old 20th Nov 2020, 04:55
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Originally Posted by 1A_Please
That is because REX usually runs away from competition. It is going to find the rough and tumble world of mainline operations very hard and will lose millions along the way. I wish the employees of REX all the best but if they try to make you take shares in lieu of salary...DON'T!!!
What makes you think that REX would try that on? There is no history of that.

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Old 20th Nov 2020, 22:59
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What makes you think that REX would try that on? There is no history of that.
think Rex will take market share on golden triangle mostly off qantas.

Chief of ANZ said few days again, that recession will really kick in middle of next year when no more jobkeeper/jobseeker & dole returns to previous levels. Even jobmaker is only $200/week maximum for those of certain age.
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Originally Posted by Arnold E
What makes you think that REX would try that on? There is no history of that.
Like July? https://australianaviation.com.au/20...-orange-route/
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Old 21st Nov 2020, 08:20
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Originally Posted by getaway
think Rex will take market share on golden triangle mostly off qantas.

Chief of ANZ said few days again, that recession will really kick in middle of next year when no more jobkeeper/jobseeker & dole returns to previous levels. Even jobmaker is only $200/week maximum for those of certain age.
QF will use a classic pincer movement from both QF mainline and JQ to make life exceedingly difficult for Rex. Rex has chosen a market position where it is poorly differentiated and only has price to trade on. This is a very dangerous position to be in. If I'd been them, I'd have gone the ULCC route which maybe unfashionable but is currently unoccupied.
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Originally Posted by getaway
think Rex will take market share on golden triangle mostly off qantas.
Im all for REX giving it a go, but when things get tough, I don’t see QF losing.
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Old 21st Nov 2020, 08:34
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
Im all for REX giving it a go, but when things get tough, I don’t see QF losing.
Yep.

Fuel jumps, Rex sinks. Tiger had SIA to cover these issues when fuel went to $130 a decade ago, QF and VA had profitable cores to offset.

Rex hasn’t really got anything. It’s not like they can raise prices or chase corporate contracts off the opposition.

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think Rex will take market share on golden triangle mostly off qantas.
Don’t be so sure. Post Covid the Qantas and Virgin experience on say Melbourne to Sydney won’t change at all. The only thing Virgin is doing is dropping the free snack. It’s not changing it’s lounges, baggage, or frequency. Don’t underestimate the power of those two on the triangle. I would be very mindful reading into the Virgin fear that has been spread into the market from various uninformed experts and competitors. That’s what Rex wants to believe, reality will be different. Alan and Jayne are ruthless operators who won’t let some token operator like Rex get in their way.

Rex might get the Tiger traffic. They might perhaps get some Jetstar traffic should they bother to update the website, FF program and IT. However that costs money.


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Old 21st Nov 2020, 10:13
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REX- ASX announcement (19/11/20) link here: https://cdn-api.markitdigital.com/ap...df02a206a39ff4
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In their press release Rex say,
Preparations for our domestic operations are proceeding to plan with our first Boeing 737 800NG aircraft delivered on 5 November 2020. Our crew will carry out training on the aircraft over the next three weeks before the CASA proving flight on 2 December 2020. We anticipate CASA approval shortly after.
Is that a realistic timetable?
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Old 21st Nov 2020, 10:37
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
In their press release Rex say,


Is that a realistic timetable?
Seems tight. Tiger had 8 weeks on the ground with the aircraft here and 6 months of prior planning. It was pushed back a touch due to tight timing. Yes we are not talking about a new airline here, but they don’t have any jet foundations in place.

I guess this whole thing is essentially Virgin processes etc, and people involved, already familiar to CASA. I’d be interested to know how much of this is from Virgin’s book.

They wouldn’t be the first to not get it on the first go. Only one has successfully managed to get the green light on the first go. Looks like they have plenty of wriggle room until ops start.
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Seems tight. Tiger had 8 weeks on the ground with the aircraft here and 6 months of prior planning. It was pushed back a touch due to tight timing. Yes we are not talking about a new airline here, but they don’t have any jet foundations in place.

I guess this whole thing is essentially Virgin processes etc, and people involved, already familiar to CASA. I’d be interested to know how much of this is from Virgin’s book.

They wouldn’t be the first to not get it on the first go. Only one has successfully managed to get the green light on the first go. Looks like they have plenty of wriggle room until ops start.
Thanks for that.

Given that certification is just one of many workstreams associated with the starting commercial jet ops in about 100 days time it would be interesting to know who Rex has got managing this at a program level. This is probably two orders of magnitude more complicated and more complex than anything Rex have had to deal with in the last decade or so.
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
Thanks for that.

Given that certification is just one of many workstreams associated with the starting commercial jet ops in about 100 days time it would be interesting to know who Rex has got managing this at a program level. This is probably two orders of magnitude more complicated and more complex than anything Rex have had to deal with in the last decade or so.
I assisted the Tiger startup, getting up and running is one thing, however the biggest challenge is maintaining that standard, things started to crumble about 12 months in, and well, caved in, 24 months in, as we all watched on. The problems started to appear when the fleet creeped up, and good people starting leaving. Company underinvested in the training department, which couldn’t handle the fleet and people increase.

I note some from Virgin only went over on temp contracts. If/When all these people start to leave, which is common in any new startup, usually about 2 years in, can the place follow the book as good as it did on day 1?

The training and safety departments are going to be super busy. When does the ATR start arriving? I hope Sharp is ready to invest in his Pilots. Otherwise the whole place will fall over and safety bureau will be super busy.
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Old 22nd Nov 2020, 02:36
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The problems started to appear when the fleet creeped up, and good people starting leaving. Company underinvested in the training department, which couldn’t handle the fleet and people increase.
Didn’t help when the experienced people that did remain were sidelined and ignored. A plan was in place to fix the situation in HQ but that was also ignored.

Cest la vie!
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Didn’t help when the experienced people that did remain were sidelined and ignored. A plan was in place to fix the situation in HQ but that was also ignored.

Cest la vie!
That place went down the ****ter once Ken retired. They deserve everything they got and the only ones who would disagree would be those poms.

Beyond me how it ever got as far as it did.
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
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I guess this whole thing is essentially Virgin processes etc, and people involved, already familiar to CASA. I’d be interested to know how much of this is from Virgin’s book.

They wouldn’t be the first to not get it on the first go. Only one has successfully managed to get the green light on the first go. Looks like they have plenty of wriggle room until ops start.
'That' Statement (above)- right there, 'Is' where the rubber shall meet the road.......

Too much 'Copy & Paste'- then, Good Luck.....???? (and Go 'the Sharpie'...!!!!!.)

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Tiger tried copy and paste with their 737’s using Virgin procedures, CASA said no
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ex the ASX- 52x Week's.....

52x Week range:
"52 week range 0.370 - 1.600"
Last at: $1.59........

90 Day Graph here: https://www2.asx.com.au/markets/company/REX

Blow that sucker (graph) out........, IS All Good- get, On-Board !!!!, at speed, 'Apparently'..........

Ya just Gotta 'Lurve' & 'Appreciate'- this Werk/Gig, reckon!!!!! or Not?????

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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
I assisted the Tiger startup, getting up and running is one thing, however the biggest challenge is maintaining that standard, things started to crumble about 12 months in, and well, caved in, 24 months in, as we all watched on. The problems started to appear when the fleet creeped up, and good people starting leaving. Company underinvested in the training department, which couldn’t handle the fleet and people increase.

I note some from Virgin only went over on temp contracts. If/When all these people start to leave, which is common in any new startup, usually about 2 years in, can the place follow the book as good as it did on day 1?

The training and safety departments are going to be super busy. When does the ATR start arriving? I hope Sharp is ready to invest in his Pilots. Otherwise the whole place will fall over and safety bureau will be super busy.
was also wondering how the ATR introduction was going 🤔
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I understand the CASA proving flight to add the B737-600/700/800/900 to the Rex AOC is scheduled for Wednesday 02 December.
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