QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages
What would be difficult for them, regardless of the payout, is they would not have known that the last time they finished work was the end of their airline career. Any plans they would have had for an orderly exit and one last flight to their favourite destination was gone. I realise that it is a first world problem in the disaster that is C19 but it is worth acknowledging that a significant number of pilots in Qantas and Virgin, with collectively tens of thousands of flying hours, will never again walk through the cockpit door to go flying.
….they would not have known that the last time they finished work was the end of their airline career.
Little did we know we'd both be going on 'extended' leave and recency probably wasn't going to be a big issue in the whole scheme of things!
I know a mate in a local Woolies down in Melbourne. FO works on the registers, Cabin Manager in the Deli, Captain in the Fruit and Veg. They are all actually enjoying the experiencing living only a few minutes from home.
it certainly exposes the lifestyle con of the industry
Pretty sure they are not enjoying the drastic reduction in hourly rate.
Generally, the first step is to offer ER and VR. After that, if they still still haven't got the required numbers, then it's CR. LIFO is often used but in this case the agreement needs to be looked at carefully. The current situation is unprecedented and I doubt the union was seriously considering the possibility of mass layoffs occurring when it was drawn up.
Expensive retraining would be required to move A380 and B744 crews onto other fleets, and the next type down may be over crewed already. Do you then displace more pilots downwards or put the senior pilots onto the junior fleet ?
A few months ago I posted that QF was in a strong enough position to avoid redundancies, and unlike Virgin, would be able to survive this crisis relatively unscathed due to its solid financial state. Back in May, I doubt anyone expected this crisis to still be going on as the end of the year approaches.
Expensive retraining would be required to move A380 and B744 crews onto other fleets, and the next type down may be over crewed already. Do you then displace more pilots downwards or put the senior pilots onto the junior fleet ?
A few months ago I posted that QF was in a strong enough position to avoid redundancies, and unlike Virgin, would be able to survive this crisis relatively unscathed due to its solid financial state. Back in May, I doubt anyone expected this crisis to still be going on as the end of the year approaches.
But managing a surplus involves exhausting leave, RIN, LWOP, Secondment and a whole bunch of other measures before CR is used. The surplus will be in certain categories, namely the 747 as that definitely isn’t returning. That will probably be a RIN on paper as training cannot be conducted. Then the process of redeployment and displacement would occur. One could say the most junior pilots, 787 and 330 SO, will be some of the first to return to regular operation.
As management have repeatedly stated the current surplus will be managed by stand downs in the short/mid term and the VR and ER in the long term. As announced no need for further redundancies, Voluntary or otherwise.
A few months ago I posted that QF was in a strong enough position to avoid redundancies, and unlike Virgin, would be able to survive this crisis relatively unscathed due to its solid financial state. Back in May, I doubt anyone expected this crisis to still be going on as the end of the year approaches.
Last edited by dr dre; 6th Nov 2020 at 23:31.
Unconfirmed VR and ER numbers:
Aircraft: total (captain)
A380: 82 (55)
Aircraft: total (captain)
A380: 82 (55)
Why would that be surprising? If a 380 Captain is 57 then he can't access his super until he is 59. So in two years time when the international flying starts getting sorted out he can resume his career on either the 787 or 330 if the 380's are not flying anymore. If the 380's do come back on line because demand requires it then he has another 5 years to top up the coffers. Remember the first rule of dealing with an emergency, sit on your hands.
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