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This isn't looking good 8 months in and international doesn't exist , domestic at maybe 5%
All the big babblers here screeching how quick domestic would bounce back & howling down the possibilities of CRs, vaccines next month
Big "that's all cr*p" proclamations but unable to articulate the why & how things are going to unfold
The ANZ boss the other day says he can't see Tasman opening until March 2021 at earliest , oh & by they believe half of Americans won't
take a vaccine in the event one is developed
Hard to see domestic borders opening this year, domestic starts in 2021, maybe 12 months from now domestic at 25 % , international 10 or 15 % (ie: Tasman & one of
Japan , Taiwan) . Feel free to map out your plan to open up QF international , which countries , when , what frequencies and how, detail how it is all going to work
I can't see QF returning to USA in 2021 & that was 40% of the international business
Corporates won't be travelling very much anymore in Australia, neither will public servants & no international visitors to truck around. Unfortunately domestic
is looking very very weak. Yes people want to have a holiday (Aussie not cool for under 30s locals to vacation in) but it is economic Chernobyl & a very high cost country)
Likely management know how bad it really is & that is why they are flea bagging in the relocate HQ ruse, they need the bucks
Think FF "business" will likely fall over , when oh when will punters wake up to that con , pay another 3% on CC get a whole lot of points that are unusable . Good one !
And they still say CRs won't happen , its all good as gold
All the big babblers here screeching how quick domestic would bounce back & howling down the possibilities of CRs, vaccines next month
Big "that's all cr*p" proclamations but unable to articulate the why & how things are going to unfold
The ANZ boss the other day says he can't see Tasman opening until March 2021 at earliest , oh & by they believe half of Americans won't
take a vaccine in the event one is developed
Hard to see domestic borders opening this year, domestic starts in 2021, maybe 12 months from now domestic at 25 % , international 10 or 15 % (ie: Tasman & one of
Japan , Taiwan) . Feel free to map out your plan to open up QF international , which countries , when , what frequencies and how, detail how it is all going to work
I can't see QF returning to USA in 2021 & that was 40% of the international business
Corporates won't be travelling very much anymore in Australia, neither will public servants & no international visitors to truck around. Unfortunately domestic
is looking very very weak. Yes people want to have a holiday (Aussie not cool for under 30s locals to vacation in) but it is economic Chernobyl & a very high cost country)
Likely management know how bad it really is & that is why they are flea bagging in the relocate HQ ruse, they need the bucks
Think FF "business" will likely fall over , when oh when will punters wake up to that con , pay another 3% on CC get a whole lot of points that are unusable . Good one !
And they still say CRs won't happen , its all good as gold
Well by your own logic and predictions in your post they won’t. If it’s established that border restrictions are catalysts for stand downs (not legally proven) and you say the borders will be closed for a long time yet then CR won’t happen as stand downs can be continued for that time.
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Stand down isn't being driven by Border closures, It is being driven by the Jobkeeper amendment to the Fair work act. The government has stated that even when the employee subsidies expire in March 2021 businesses that still qualify for the Jobkeeper provisions may be able to continue with those provisions until their business conditions return. Meaning unfortunately for Airline and tourism staff that potentially stand down will continue until profitability returns, not borders reopening. Probably why the initial rush to push through QFLHEA variations has subsided as the company have breathing space to at least the end of March and probably beyond with the help of the Government.
This isn't looking good 8 months in and international doesn't exist , domestic at maybe 5%
All the big babblers here screeching how quick domestic would bounce back & howling down the possibilities of CRs, vaccines next month
Big "that's all cr*p" proclamations but unable to articulate the why & how things are going to unfold
The ANZ boss the other day says he can't see Tasman opening until March 2021 at earliest , oh & by they believe half of Americans won't
take a vaccine in the event one is developed
Hard to see domestic borders opening this year, domestic starts in 2021, maybe 12 months from now domestic at 25 % , international 10 or 15 % (ie: Tasman & one of
Japan , Taiwan) . Feel free to map out your plan to open up QF international , which countries , when , what frequencies and how, detail how it is all going to work
I can't see QF returning to USA in 2021 & that was 40% of the international business
Corporates won't be travelling very much anymore in Australia, neither will public servants & no international visitors to truck around. Unfortunately domestic
is looking very very weak. Yes people want to have a holiday (Aussie not cool for under 30s locals to vacation in) but it is economic Chernobyl & a very high cost country)
Likely management know how bad it really is & that is why they are flea bagging in the relocate HQ ruse, they need the bucks
Think FF "business" will likely fall over , when oh when will punters wake up to that con , pay another 3% on CC get a whole lot of points that are unusable . Good one !
And they still say CRs won't happen , its all good as gold
All the big babblers here screeching how quick domestic would bounce back & howling down the possibilities of CRs, vaccines next month
Big "that's all cr*p" proclamations but unable to articulate the why & how things are going to unfold
The ANZ boss the other day says he can't see Tasman opening until March 2021 at earliest , oh & by they believe half of Americans won't
take a vaccine in the event one is developed
Hard to see domestic borders opening this year, domestic starts in 2021, maybe 12 months from now domestic at 25 % , international 10 or 15 % (ie: Tasman & one of
Japan , Taiwan) . Feel free to map out your plan to open up QF international , which countries , when , what frequencies and how, detail how it is all going to work
I can't see QF returning to USA in 2021 & that was 40% of the international business
Corporates won't be travelling very much anymore in Australia, neither will public servants & no international visitors to truck around. Unfortunately domestic
is looking very very weak. Yes people want to have a holiday (Aussie not cool for under 30s locals to vacation in) but it is economic Chernobyl & a very high cost country)
Likely management know how bad it really is & that is why they are flea bagging in the relocate HQ ruse, they need the bucks
Think FF "business" will likely fall over , when oh when will punters wake up to that con , pay another 3% on CC get a whole lot of points that are unusable . Good one !
And they still say CRs won't happen , its all good as gold
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Get a load of this rubbish. Thanks for the laugh
Domestic is already >20%
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Domestic > 20%...........
Really? I think that is a load of rubbish!
The amount of ornamental static displays parked around the country's major 'dromes would call BS on that!
Really? I think that is a load of rubbish!
The amount of ornamental static displays parked around the country's major 'dromes would call BS on that!
Stand down isn't being driven by Border closures, It is being driven by the Jobkeeper amendment to the Fair work act. The government has stated that even when the employee subsidies expire in March 2021 businesses that still qualify for the Jobkeeper provisions may be able to continue with those provisions until their business conditions return. Meaning unfortunately for Airline and tourism staff that potentially stand down will continue until profitability returns, not borders reopening. Probably why the initial rush to push through QFLHEA variations has subsided as the company have breathing space to at least the end of March and probably beyond with the help of the Government.
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Barry , Dave and Murray , who happen to be on the incoming Executive ticket ( if my sources are correct ) never struck me as such !
Do you mean that if AIPA actually has the gumption and audacity to actually challenge contractual interpretations through the appropriate Industrial channels , instead of just rolling over on everything demanded by Alan , then the pilots will be dragged through the courts by Qantas ?
Oh I understand where you’re coming from now !
Whom would you be referring to , reference going down the expensive/ poor outcome litigious route Sir ?
Barry , Dave and Murray , who happen to be on the incoming Executive ticket ( if my sources are correct ) never struck me as such !
Do you mean that if AIPA actually has the gumption and audacity to actually challenge contractual interpretations through the appropriate Industrial channels , instead of just rolling over on everything demanded by Alan , then the pilots will be dragged through the courts by Qantas ?
Oh I understand where you’re coming from now !
Barry , Dave and Murray , who happen to be on the incoming Executive ticket ( if my sources are correct ) never struck me as such !
Do you mean that if AIPA actually has the gumption and audacity to actually challenge contractual interpretations through the appropriate Industrial channels , instead of just rolling over on everything demanded by Alan , then the pilots will be dragged through the courts by Qantas ?
Oh I understand where you’re coming from now !
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The lockout had what , exactly to do with the pilots and the Executive running AIPA at the time ?
Tell me , was it the red ties or was it the scripted PA’s that caused the lockout ?
God knows what Alan would have done if AIPA told the pilots to wear the issued red arm bands !
How exactly then , does that tie-in with your accusation of an expected round of expensive yet futile lawsuits ???
What , are they about to run out of Qantas office jobs over the road for retreaded AIPA executives thus through causality a new litigious era can be expected ?
Tell me , was it the red ties or was it the scripted PA’s that caused the lockout ?
God knows what Alan would have done if AIPA told the pilots to wear the issued red arm bands !
How exactly then , does that tie-in with your accusation of an expected round of expensive yet futile lawsuits ???
What , are they about to run out of Qantas office jobs over the road for retreaded AIPA executives thus through causality a new litigious era can be expected ?
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Nunc est bibendum
I was supportive of the AIPA COM at the time. I wore the tie, made the PAs and stood at the front door to wear the flack of those passengers who decided they wanted to have a shot.
The lockout of pilots had everything to do with the AIPA COM and executive of the time. It was them that set the strategy and it was their actions that tied the pilots to the ALAEA and TWU’s ‘slow bake’. We were industrially naive as to how the situation would progress and how Qantas would respond. That’s on the executive and the COM of the time as well. Hopefully those people are all much wiser now. Judging by the actions of a number of the COM members on ‘the ticket’ I’m not convinced that’s the case.
The lockout of pilots had everything to do with the AIPA COM and executive of the time. It was them that set the strategy and it was their actions that tied the pilots to the ALAEA and TWU’s ‘slow bake’. We were industrially naive as to how the situation would progress and how Qantas would respond. That’s on the executive and the COM of the time as well. Hopefully those people are all much wiser now. Judging by the actions of a number of the COM members on ‘the ticket’ I’m not convinced that’s the case.
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Domestic at 20% ? Not sure what you are smoking WA , Vic , & Tas effectively closed , in/out of SA a couple of flights a day, NT effectively closed, yes maybe something
in Qld intra state. I think less than 4% , I am certainly not going to accept a figure because a senior manager at Aussie airline makes that claim. Would accept at face value
from ANZ , but for our boys I would need to see the raw data myself
Dr - suggesting that the change in quantum of domestic travel will be near enough to permanent. Large employers just aren't going to
allow their staff to travel for at least the next three years. The way people work in Aust has changed
Bitre data not out yet , June might have been 8% or so & we have gone down since then , most of the NBs getting around now
might have 20 or 30 pax
In terms of getting a large taxpayer cashy for moving HQ , QF look to their N & their S & they know they will never have this opportunity again they will
never have two greater wood ducks to milk. The Victorian will do it just for the publicity , get up shake his a$$e & start shrieking "look at me"
But the other flock of wood ducks that FF/loyalty preyed on will surely wake up now
Why can't QF have a CEO like the last few guys who have ran ANZ, home grown blokes , achieved success OS , laid back , casual no fuss ?
How's the plan to reopen International coming along ? Lots of babbling & big man talk - but no facts & no plan
I can't see how you open travel to USA, EU, SAfrica, SAmerica given the infection rates & issues you would having screening pax & issues you would have believing anything that local officials told you
Maybe Donald gets a bad rap the fatality rates in UK, Spain, France & Italy are similar too if not worse than USA unfortunately (just cursory glance UK looks
25% higher, wrong there Spain gets the gold , USA/Italy/UK call it dead heat, Frenchie get the bronze 20% off the pace)
Interesting how his highness emerges whenever I make a post - he is the main man after all
The Earl of pprune ,he does wonderful talkies
in Qld intra state. I think less than 4% , I am certainly not going to accept a figure because a senior manager at Aussie airline makes that claim. Would accept at face value
from ANZ , but for our boys I would need to see the raw data myself
Dr - suggesting that the change in quantum of domestic travel will be near enough to permanent. Large employers just aren't going to
allow their staff to travel for at least the next three years. The way people work in Aust has changed
Bitre data not out yet , June might have been 8% or so & we have gone down since then , most of the NBs getting around now
might have 20 or 30 pax
In terms of getting a large taxpayer cashy for moving HQ , QF look to their N & their S & they know they will never have this opportunity again they will
never have two greater wood ducks to milk. The Victorian will do it just for the publicity , get up shake his a$$e & start shrieking "look at me"
But the other flock of wood ducks that FF/loyalty preyed on will surely wake up now
Why can't QF have a CEO like the last few guys who have ran ANZ, home grown blokes , achieved success OS , laid back , casual no fuss ?
How's the plan to reopen International coming along ? Lots of babbling & big man talk - but no facts & no plan
I can't see how you open travel to USA, EU, SAfrica, SAmerica given the infection rates & issues you would having screening pax & issues you would have believing anything that local officials told you
Maybe Donald gets a bad rap the fatality rates in UK, Spain, France & Italy are similar too if not worse than USA unfortunately (just cursory glance UK looks
25% higher, wrong there Spain gets the gold , USA/Italy/UK call it dead heat, Frenchie get the bronze 20% off the pace)
Interesting how his highness emerges whenever I make a post - he is the main man after all
The Earl of pprune ,he does wonderful talkies
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Domestic at 20% ? Not sure what you are smoking WA , Vic , & Tas effectively closed , in/out of SA a couple of flights a day, NT effectively closed, yes maybe something
in Qld intra state. I think less than 4% , I am certainly not going to accept a figure because a senior manager at Aussie airline makes that claim. Would accept at face value
from ANZ , but for our boys I would need to see the raw data myself
Dr - suggesting that the change in quantum of domestic travel will be near enough to permanent. Large employers just aren't going to
allow their staff to travel for at least the next three years. The way people work in Aust has changed
Bitre data not out yet , June might have been 8% or so & we have gone down since then , most of the NBs getting around now
might have 20 or 30 pax
In terms of getting a large taxpayer cashy for moving HQ , QF look to their N & their S & they know they will never have this opportunity again they will
never have two greater wood ducks to milk. The Victorian will do it just for the publicity , get up shake his a$$e & start shrieking "look at me"
But the other flock of wood ducks that FF/loyalty preyed on will surely wake up now
Why can't QF have a CEO like the last few guys who have ran ANZ, home grown blokes , achieved success OS , laid back , casual no fuss ?
How's the plan to reopen International coming along ? Lots of babbling & big man talk - but no facts & no plan
I can't see how you open travel to USA, EU, SAfrica, SAmerica given the infection rates & issues you would having screening pax & issues you would have believing anything that local officials told you
Maybe Donald gets a bad rap the fatality rates in UK, Spain, France & Italy are similar too if not worse than USA unfortunately (just cursory glance UK looks
25% higher, wrong there Spain gets the gold , USA/Italy/UK call it dead heat, Frenchie get the bronze 20% off the pace)
Interesting how his highness emerges whenever I make a post - he is the main man after all
The Earl of pprune ,he does wonderful talkies
in Qld intra state. I think less than 4% , I am certainly not going to accept a figure because a senior manager at Aussie airline makes that claim. Would accept at face value
from ANZ , but for our boys I would need to see the raw data myself
Dr - suggesting that the change in quantum of domestic travel will be near enough to permanent. Large employers just aren't going to
allow their staff to travel for at least the next three years. The way people work in Aust has changed
Bitre data not out yet , June might have been 8% or so & we have gone down since then , most of the NBs getting around now
might have 20 or 30 pax
In terms of getting a large taxpayer cashy for moving HQ , QF look to their N & their S & they know they will never have this opportunity again they will
never have two greater wood ducks to milk. The Victorian will do it just for the publicity , get up shake his a$$e & start shrieking "look at me"
But the other flock of wood ducks that FF/loyalty preyed on will surely wake up now
Why can't QF have a CEO like the last few guys who have ran ANZ, home grown blokes , achieved success OS , laid back , casual no fuss ?
How's the plan to reopen International coming along ? Lots of babbling & big man talk - but no facts & no plan
I can't see how you open travel to USA, EU, SAfrica, SAmerica given the infection rates & issues you would having screening pax & issues you would have believing anything that local officials told you
Maybe Donald gets a bad rap the fatality rates in UK, Spain, France & Italy are similar too if not worse than USA unfortunately (just cursory glance UK looks
25% higher, wrong there Spain gets the gold , USA/Italy/UK call it dead heat, Frenchie get the bronze 20% off the pace)
Interesting how his highness emerges whenever I make a post - he is the main man after all
The Earl of pprune ,he does wonderful talkies
I guess you have to be employed by QF to be privy to internal news.
Or maybe just watch the national news. Great development in border openings. signs of things to come.
Thanks for the laugh nonetheless but I’ll be joining majority and placing you on the ignore list
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So Domestically we may be back on track to be open again by latest early next year?
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It is a good development. But QLD-ACT and SA-NSW weren't exactly the two biggest markets beforehand. I have a suspicion a lot of travel, especially business travel, will be on hold until travel is unrestricted nationwide, as a sign that the pandemic has subsided internally, which will restore consumer confidence and confidence to travel. So when Victoria gets it's situation under control, which it is doing, that can be achieved. Even the strictest Premier in WA, just yesterday said Victoria getting their situation under control means a WA border re-opening date can start to be considered.
So Domestically we may be back on track to be open again by latest early next year?
So Domestically we may be back on track to be open again by latest early next year?
SA said they would open Wednesday if there is no transmission in NSW What is not know what if there is a community transmission Saturday?!
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