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The furthest the HQ would move is circular quay.
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Yes Telfer, it's all the fault of Aipa, they should have seen this whole situation all along. I would be happy with CR and start back on the lower scale, it's better than the work I am doing now to keep a roof over my head and my two kids fed. Then again, we really should have all voted down that EBA and put you in charge of negotiations. We would be in a much better position now. Looking forward to your nomination to work on the union.
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Think it must have been the worst ever deal
The downside you refer to would only occur IF there are pilots made compulsory redundant and IF Qantas order the A350 before they return. According to Qantas, for the time being, both of those things aren’t happening.
The only thing that is certain is when a pilot does fly or does use leave they will be paid 6% more than before AIPA signed the ‘worst deal ever’.
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Not correct it's not "if & if" its back to year 1 regardless the only variable is current scale or new B scale which got voted up after shutdown
People seem to get very agitated & defensive about this , I just thought it was a very big blunder, voting in a B scale when a global pandemic
had been declared & international airlines shutdown
At least I don't have an obsession on numbers of flight crew turning 65 & pressuring them to retire. Likely a lot of senior LH will move to SH if any vacancies advertised
What size & shape do people think QF will be in a few years, especially international ? What will the plan be ?
Where do you see QF flying to OS say 12 months from now ? & what do you think the airfares will be ?
People seem to get very agitated & defensive about this , I just thought it was a very big blunder, voting in a B scale when a global pandemic
had been declared & international airlines shutdown
At least I don't have an obsession on numbers of flight crew turning 65 & pressuring them to retire. Likely a lot of senior LH will move to SH if any vacancies advertised
What size & shape do people think QF will be in a few years, especially international ? What will the plan be ?
Where do you see QF flying to OS say 12 months from now ? & what do you think the airfares will be ?
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Let it goTelfer, or just go away, you are just embarrassing yourself here, if I get CR'd, I would rather be first year A350/ B787 pay than earning $20 an hour stacking shelves.
188 are taking VR, 260 are on LWOP, yet you keep banging about 220 and something that even hasn't happened yet. Jog on...
188 are taking VR, 260 are on LWOP, yet you keep banging about 220 and something that even hasn't happened yet. Jog on...
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Maybe you would for six months after re-employment , but think most would be whinging very quickly when they saw the other SO next to them
who just dodged CR getting paid at least 50% more
Was more interested in where people saw the airline a couple of years out from here & where airfares will be at
who just dodged CR getting paid at least 50% more
Was more interested in where people saw the airline a couple of years out from here & where airfares will be at
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Maybe you would for six months after re-employment , but think most would be whinging very quickly when they saw the other SO next to them
who just dodged CR getting paid at least 50% more
Was more interested in where people saw the airline a couple of years out from here & where airfares will be at
who just dodged CR getting paid at least 50% more
Was more interested in where people saw the airline a couple of years out from here & where airfares will be at
You need to pick up the phone and ring AIPA, but you won't, because you are probably not a member, happy to save your 0.88% and chuck rocks at those who volunteer to give their time to better YOUR entitlements.
Get over mate, read up and see how little people give a toss about YOUR obsession.
PS: You are now on my ignore list
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Norm is back under a different handle I suspect. My remotely possibe pay cut Telfer is offset by the CR payout in my case, hence I made the decision I did. If your CR payout wouldn't offset the risks, then glad you made the decision you did. Just stop blaming everyone else. Is it a great choice for anyone? No. We all want what we had.
If at worst I have to come back on a lower pay scale, then so be it. Still beats what I am doing now. I am flogging myself just to put food on the table for my kids. Should I join you and spend my precious remaining free time on here apportioning blame for my predicament?
This whole scenario is a mess, nobody saw it coming.
The best lesson to learn is that life isn't fair. Adapt and survive.
If at worst I have to come back on a lower pay scale, then so be it. Still beats what I am doing now. I am flogging myself just to put food on the table for my kids. Should I join you and spend my precious remaining free time on here apportioning blame for my predicament?
This whole scenario is a mess, nobody saw it coming.
The best lesson to learn is that life isn't fair. Adapt and survive.
The lower rates would only apply to SOs and it’s very unlikely that Telfer is correct. Qantas are running out of threats.
He’s a company mole or most likely some pilot hating HR tool. Always surprises me why people who hate pilots so much do such a job.
AIPA and it’s pilot’s have a signed and sealed EBA. One that was authorised by fair work DURING the pandemic at the insistence of Qantas as Telfer suggests. Look at the TWU ground staff or Jetstar pilots that don’t have an EBA locked in.
Telfer is annoyed that it is signed and sealed and can’t be f&$#@ed with unless pilots are stupid enough to open it up and get shafted.
It’s unlikely that pilots agree to a variation. I think a team of Qantas lawyers will look to take advantage of pilots if they are silly enough to
open an EBA. Ask any decent lawyer and they will tell you not to open up or vary an EA in this environment.
If pilots agree to a variation by opening the EBA and Qantas end up legally shafting everyone, then Telfer will be calling everyone an idiot for not seeing it coming.
On this Issue we will find ourselves in agreement. You can’t have it both ways champ.
He’s a company mole or most likely some pilot hating HR tool. Always surprises me why people who hate pilots so much do such a job.
AIPA and it’s pilot’s have a signed and sealed EBA. One that was authorised by fair work DURING the pandemic at the insistence of Qantas as Telfer suggests. Look at the TWU ground staff or Jetstar pilots that don’t have an EBA locked in.
Telfer is annoyed that it is signed and sealed and can’t be f&$#@ed with unless pilots are stupid enough to open it up and get shafted.
It’s unlikely that pilots agree to a variation. I think a team of Qantas lawyers will look to take advantage of pilots if they are silly enough to
open an EBA. Ask any decent lawyer and they will tell you not to open up or vary an EA in this environment.
If pilots agree to a variation by opening the EBA and Qantas end up legally shafting everyone, then Telfer will be calling everyone an idiot for not seeing it coming.
On this Issue we will find ourselves in agreement. You can’t have it both ways champ.
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Don't worry Ducksnuts, I'm still here - just been busy working!
Is 260 on LWOP enough? I hope so, but according to the departed Tino it's not. No vaccine found in the next 6-12 months will probably result in Allan doing another 'fleet review'. That's when **** will hit the fan for redundancy's.
The VR/ER lawsuit appears to be a problem. If those pilots who can't let go of the golden goose turn out to be successful Qantas may just pull the pin on the entire operation. "We looked at VR as per the EBA requirements. Sorry it didn't work out, we are now commencing CR".
I remember Tino saying in a webinar that if Qantas got desperate they have a lot of commercial real estate and offices they can juggle. Yesterdays news from Venessa shows just how bad the situation is becoming. I'm sure Allan just wants a $200m slice of the pie from the QLD government.
Is 260 on LWOP enough? I hope so, but according to the departed Tino it's not. No vaccine found in the next 6-12 months will probably result in Allan doing another 'fleet review'. That's when **** will hit the fan for redundancy's.
The VR/ER lawsuit appears to be a problem. If those pilots who can't let go of the golden goose turn out to be successful Qantas may just pull the pin on the entire operation. "We looked at VR as per the EBA requirements. Sorry it didn't work out, we are now commencing CR".
I remember Tino saying in a webinar that if Qantas got desperate they have a lot of commercial real estate and offices they can juggle. Yesterdays news from Venessa shows just how bad the situation is becoming. I'm sure Allan just wants a $200m slice of the pie from the QLD government.
The narrative is changing
Additionally, chatter indicating 180 day recency issues and promised “stand up” in turn being re-evaluated highlighted on Qrewroom.
There is also a good chance that several of the aircraft type, such as the A380s won’t have much (if any) place in the post-COVID Qantas line up. It would be unsurprising to see a larger number of international pilots made redundant before the airline resumes normal services.
And Joyce is no stranger to playing industrial relations hardball. He did so in order to get a 30 per cent productivity lift when introducing direct flights from Perth to London and again on the Sunrise project to fly direct from Sydney and Melbourne to London, Paris and New York.
And Joyce is no stranger to playing industrial relations hardball. He did so in order to get a 30 per cent productivity lift when introducing direct flights from Perth to London and again on the Sunrise project to fly direct from Sydney and Melbourne to London, Paris and New York.
The narrative is changing
Additionally, chatter indicating 180 day recency issues and promised “stand up” in turn being re-evaluated highlighted on Qrewroom.
Additionally, chatter indicating 180 day recency issues and promised “stand up” in turn being re-evaluated highlighted on Qrewroom.
No just a LH issue. Some in SH in MEL are looking at 180 day recency too. I take on board your comments however. My view is as the border shutdowns continue unabated and we continue to see 15-20% Domestic rather than 70% Flight Ops won’t have a say in the matter.
The narrative is changing
Additionally, chatter indicating 180 day recency issues and promised “stand up” in turn being re-evaluated highlighted on Qrewroom.
Additionally, chatter indicating 180 day recency issues and promised “stand up” in turn being re-evaluated highlighted on Qrewroom.