QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages
Totally misleading. 6000 employees have not been made Compulsory Redundant. There are up to 6000 positions across the group that will be decreased over time. This will be acheived through VR, LWOP, Jobshare, Part Time, Natural Attrition, Re-Deployment, Parts of the Business being sold etc and yes some employees will unfortunately be subject to Compulsory Redundancy. But I would say they would be in the minority. VR programs all across the group have generated significant interest. There will be no CR in the pilot group. So again, stop this fearmongering nonsense.
How many of the 188 were pilots the company actually wants to go ie. 747/380? How many were off the 330/787 who would presumably be amongst the first stood up if and when international flying resumes?
An educated guess would say the majority who said yes to the package would be older and closer to retirement, therefore more likely to be senior, therefore pilots on the senior aircraft, the 380 or 747.
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"There will be no CR in the Pilot Group"
Well that might be your opinion I would believe it when I saw it in writing from the company
Pay increments from date of CTL of SO
No agenda here, just the things that I think are important to consider. You have a different view well goodluck to you
I think the fear mongering has been people suggesting people being turned away when they return after a fixed term lwop
CR is indefinite & in my view you will be busted back to year 1 payrates & on the B scale SO table if the A350 is ordered
Enough from me , seems like plenty here know everything have a ability to look into the future & state with certainty what will happen
Well that might be your opinion I would believe it when I saw it in writing from the company
Pay increments from date of CTL of SO
- Nothing in the CR section says you will be re-employed with years of service credited or years of service are credited from the first time you CTL as SO in your first time as a QF employee
- Different to return from Medical termination where it is specifically stated "years of serviced credited"
- Two very different things , CR hasn't been done before so no way to anticipate how company will do it. Do you really think they will say "Welcome back Mate , this is all wonderful to have you back , so just to make you feel better we will credit your years of service all those years ago" - I would believe they will do that if it is put in writing by someone very senior (& I am not talking about a Pilot)
No agenda here, just the things that I think are important to consider. You have a different view well goodluck to you
I think the fear mongering has been people suggesting people being turned away when they return after a fixed term lwop
CR is indefinite & in my view you will be busted back to year 1 payrates & on the B scale SO table if the A350 is ordered
Enough from me , seems like plenty here know everything have a ability to look into the future & state with certainty what will happen
We make informed judgements from the information we know at the time, with reasoning to make an educated judgement about the future. Management have announced a 3 year recovery plan with a final pilot number that VR and retirements have reduced the surplus down to that final number. From the information we know today no further redundancies should be necessary.
I'm sorry to be blunt, but you asked for it.
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So what, Xeptu? You don’t think we know that? What’s your point, and why do you need to keep repeating it? It sucks at the moment. I’m concerned for the future for both me and my 3 kids, but I don’t understand why you are even posting here. At least Normanton has a purpose, people may not like his opinion, but at least he actually says something. You on the other hand, well, f#$ked if I know. Go away, please.
And I feel your pain, I mean that. I'll step out, goodluck to you.
P.S our very own sitting health minister made reference to the Industrial Court tonight on telly, so I'm not alone in being a bit behind the times. At least I'm retired and been away from it in a while.
P.S our very own sitting health minister made reference to the Industrial Court tonight on telly, so I'm not alone in being a bit behind the times. At least I'm retired and been away from it in a while.
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Where did you pull these numbers from? Reference? Nope? Log off.
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Yep. Xeptu, International is less 5%, Domestic at 18%. You are not even close. All you have is FUD. Go away, you are just embarrasing yourself with your lies, inaccuracies and scaremongering. Go and find a hobby.
+1 for this.
Tino said yesterday (purely his opinion), that he would be utterly astonished if CR was needed from here.
That doesnt rule it out, just that even from the out going International CEO it’s very, very unlikely. They seem to sincerely believe there is significant pent up demand, and as markets eventually open back up everyone remaining will eventually be needed in the short to medium term.
Tino said yesterday (purely his opinion), that he would be utterly astonished if CR was needed from here.
That doesnt rule it out, just that even from the out going International CEO it’s very, very unlikely. They seem to sincerely believe there is significant pent up demand, and as markets eventually open back up everyone remaining will eventually be needed in the short to medium term.
They don't think fed up pilots will begin to take legal action to determine exactly when it moves from a restriction of supply to one of demand and hence stand down provisions can't be applied. Is it when quarantine restrictions are completely removed, is it when there is a vaccine, a travel vaccine certificate?
Feb 20 AJ's statement regarding forecast expectation. For which the redundancy forecast is predicated.
Jun 04 AJ's statement revised forecast expectation. None of which happened.
Where you're supposed to be end July verses where you are now. It appears my lies and inaccuracies are less frightening than yours.
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Since your post is directed to me personally.
Feb 20 AJ's statement regarding forecast expectation. For which the redundancy forecast is predicated.
Jun 04 AJ's statement revised forecast expectation. None of which happened.
Where you're supposed to be end July verses where you are now. It appears my lies and inaccuracies are less frightening than yours.
Feb 20 AJ's statement regarding forecast expectation. For which the redundancy forecast is predicated.
Jun 04 AJ's statement revised forecast expectation. None of which happened.
Where you're supposed to be end July verses where you are now. It appears my lies and inaccuracies are less frightening than yours.
Why are you coming on here with your doom and gloom? Do you thing junior QF crew are under enormous stress, and then people like you come on here and spread your lies is going to do any good?
You are as bad as QF Management during EA negotiations.
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Your scare mongering, posturing and overall fear campaign is better suited on Mark McGowan’s Facebook page with the rest of the petrified West Australians who think open borders and COVID is a death sentence for our country. It’s not! The alternative option of keeping everything closed up is the surest way to ruin our otherwise prosperous nation.