QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages
Are there any Pilots who bid for reserve the entire roster and just fly once a month to stay current? Senior men in some airlines could draw full salary for staying home, they just lost out on allowances.
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If someone is claiming a medical condition that they don't have , only so many options such as back , psych etc
A GP has to refer to specialists after shortish period & that gets harder to bung it on
Not sure what rights a company has to not accept medical certificates and require reviews by other Specialists/GPs for sick leave,
they certainly can for workers comp, - get medical reviews ,use surveillance etc . Would be surprising if they just have to blindly accept certificates
from interesting Docs for long term sick leave, sounds like QF wasn't too fussed ,do other groups of employees do similar ?
Would be great to see you guys get back in the air, but unfortunately our State & Territory leaders are living out some kind of fantasy , just loving that border control
Think your CEO is warming you up for more redundancies & likely amending T&Cs talking about hard decisions & the cost advantage of new Virgin, long term stand down
comes with substantial costs. After a couple of years on stand down you have almost paid the costs of a CR for the 500 or so joiners from 2016
A GP has to refer to specialists after shortish period & that gets harder to bung it on
Not sure what rights a company has to not accept medical certificates and require reviews by other Specialists/GPs for sick leave,
they certainly can for workers comp, - get medical reviews ,use surveillance etc . Would be surprising if they just have to blindly accept certificates
from interesting Docs for long term sick leave, sounds like QF wasn't too fussed ,do other groups of employees do similar ?
Would be great to see you guys get back in the air, but unfortunately our State & Territory leaders are living out some kind of fantasy , just loving that border control
Think your CEO is warming you up for more redundancies & likely amending T&Cs talking about hard decisions & the cost advantage of new Virgin, long term stand down
comes with substantial costs. After a couple of years on stand down you have almost paid the costs of a CR for the 500 or so joiners from 2016
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If someone is claiming a medical condition that they don't have , only so many options such as back , psych etc
A GP has to refer to specialists after shortish period & that gets harder to bung it on
Not sure what rights a company has to not accept medical certificates and require reviews by other Specialists/GPs for sick leave,
they certainly can for workers comp, - get medical reviews ,use surveillance etc . Would be surprising if they just have to blindly accept certificates
from interesting Docs for long term sick leave, sounds like QF wasn't too fussed ,do other groups of employees do similar ?
Would be great to see you guys get back in the air, but unfortunately our State & Territory leaders are living out some kind of fantasy , just loving that border control
Think your CEO is warming you up for more redundancies & likely amending T&Cs talking about hard decisions & the cost advantage of new Virgin, long term stand down
comes with substantial costs. After a couple of years on stand down you have almost paid the costs of a CR for the 500 or so joiners from 2016
A GP has to refer to specialists after shortish period & that gets harder to bung it on
Not sure what rights a company has to not accept medical certificates and require reviews by other Specialists/GPs for sick leave,
they certainly can for workers comp, - get medical reviews ,use surveillance etc . Would be surprising if they just have to blindly accept certificates
from interesting Docs for long term sick leave, sounds like QF wasn't too fussed ,do other groups of employees do similar ?
Would be great to see you guys get back in the air, but unfortunately our State & Territory leaders are living out some kind of fantasy , just loving that border control
Think your CEO is warming you up for more redundancies & likely amending T&Cs talking about hard decisions & the cost advantage of new Virgin, long term stand down
comes with substantial costs. After a couple of years on stand down you have almost paid the costs of a CR for the 500 or so joiners from 2016
The "In the news" email this morning says it all really.
".......the Qantas group faces more tough decisions in the weeks ahead and that there will unfortunately be more job losses."
Take the CR immunity while it's available.
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Making 6000 redundant already, seeking concessions in pilots EBA (at JQ anyway)to “help the company prevent pilot redundancies” makes me wonder after reading that from AJ why would we agree to anything to help them out if it’s going to happen anyway.
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Weren't the JQ negotiating group dithering to much allowed the company to drag it out & out & out in very strong economic times
mid 2018 & 2019. When did the last agreement expire ? Should have just been more pragmatic & got a deal done without asking for "iron-clad" guarantees
& thinking you would get everything you asked for ? Who botched it ? (in terms of the slowness of negotiations) was it AFAP ?, other unions/associations or JQ pilot committee
The QF guys got a great deal getting EBA10 approved (correct ?) this year , pay rises etc
It was almost unbelievable to see the company proceed & push to get this done back in March when Covid was exploding around the world
Why couldn't they see at that point that Sunrise was now Sundowner ?
The tide is way out , big Tsunami barreling in & the response is - let's give everyone a pay rise
Rookie error by QF management
mid 2018 & 2019. When did the last agreement expire ? Should have just been more pragmatic & got a deal done without asking for "iron-clad" guarantees
& thinking you would get everything you asked for ? Who botched it ? (in terms of the slowness of negotiations) was it AFAP ?, other unions/associations or JQ pilot committee
The QF guys got a great deal getting EBA10 approved (correct ?) this year , pay rises etc
It was almost unbelievable to see the company proceed & push to get this done back in March when Covid was exploding around the world
Why couldn't they see at that point that Sunrise was now Sundowner ?
The tide is way out , big Tsunami barreling in & the response is - let's give everyone a pay rise
Rookie error by QF management
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Weren't the JQ negotiating group dithering to much allowed the company to drag it out & out & out in very strong economic times
mid 2018 & 2019. When did the last agreement expire ? Should have just been more pragmatic & got a deal done without asking for "iron-clad" guarantees
& thinking you would get everything you asked for ? Who botched it ? (in terms of the slowness of negotiations) was it AFAP ?, other unions/associations or JQ pilot committee
mid 2018 & 2019. When did the last agreement expire ? Should have just been more pragmatic & got a deal done without asking for "iron-clad" guarantees
& thinking you would get everything you asked for ? Who botched it ? (in terms of the slowness of negotiations) was it AFAP ?, other unions/associations or JQ pilot committee
The tide is way out , big Tsunami barreling in & the response is - let's give everyone a pay rise
Rookie error by QF management
Rookie error by QF management
That's redundancy
Redundancy involves payouts.
Indefinite stand-down costs nothing other than leave accrual.
At some point, a person on permanent stand down will look for a career elsewhere and have to resign from the airline. In theory, this would allow the airline to avoid redundancy. I cannot see that this will be tolerated and someone will test the stand-downs in court and force QF to either re-employ or payout redundancy entitlements as per the relevant EA.
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One would have to think long term stand down is far better than the alternative, I don't really understand why everyone is having a problem with it (except for over 60ish you would want to be CR most likely). I for one prefer long term stand down it is costing me money but thats easily managed by getting a job and when domestic kicks off its just a simple email to me and off I go.