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Old 28th Jul 2020, 07:45
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True, the whole situation is getting frustrating tho. the two flight ops ones will just be LWOP updates and general Q&A
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Old 28th Jul 2020, 10:53
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
32 positions at network are 32 less redundancies that would be required from elsewhere in the group. So that’s a positive
That is true if they have gone out and found new business for those 32 pilots to fly to.

If however, it is flying that was previously done by a QF 737 then it will mean 32 more Qantas pilots stood down while the Group finds a cheaper contract to operate the sectors. I don’t believe that would be a positive on the whole.
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Old 28th Jul 2020, 11:10
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron
That is true if they have gone out and found new business for those 32 pilots to fly to.

If however, it is flying that was previously done by a QF 737 then it will mean 32 more Qantas pilots stood down while the Group finds a cheaper contract to operate the sectors. I don’t believe that would be a positive on the whole.
ahh, yep. Good point

could be an uptick in the mining industry or could be taking QF737 flying.

Could be either or a combination of the two
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Old 28th Jul 2020, 11:16
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It’s all new business, mining contracts.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 00:07
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
I count 3, but yes, more than usual.

The JQ one being first takes the sting out of that idea I think. If it were an announcement as big as more redundancies it would come straight from AJ at the QF townhall first.

It’s only been 5 weeks since they announced the 6000 redundancies, they have barely scratched the surface of processing those.

I wouldn’t read too much into the pilot dial in, probably just an update on the potential Flexi line arrangements.

since the start of COVID, I count no less that 37 QF/JQ town halls and chief pilot dial ins, it could just so happen that these 3 have fallen in the same week, as they have before.

But as always, I could be wrong.
They started doing 2 pilot dial-ins last week, with the added one being in the evening, so that people that were working second jobs during the day would get an opportunity to listen in and ask their questions.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 00:28
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This is the ultimate plan, to slowly replace all 737's with 320's. Soon all domestic aircraft will be branded Qantaslink crewed by network/cobham/sunstate/whatever and the passengers wouldn't know the difference all they see is the red tail, same same. Its been tested on the eastcoast with ****ty old 717s and no one seems to mind.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 00:28
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As Perth is pretty much the least affected state it makes sense to build up a large base that can operate with less restrictions .
This is about survival and being able to adjust to the market .
East coast flying may dry up !
A320 Sim to be put in Perth .
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 01:14
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Originally Posted by unobtanium
This is the ultimate plan, to slowly replace all 737's with 320's. Soon all domestic aircraft will be branded Qantaslink crewed by network/cobham/sunstate/whatever and the passengers wouldn't know the difference all they see is the red tail, same same. Its been tested on the eastcoast with ****ty old 717s and no one seems to mind.
thats not entirely true. The 717 is a different aircraft size. An a320 is effectively the same as a 737. So it hasn’t been tested as a ‘replacement’ as such, and when the 717 was growing, no one from the 737 was forced out of the business. Entirely different scenario if the a320 is growing and the 737 is shrinking.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 01:32
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It’s all new business, mining contracts
LOL how's the coolaid? New business to keep 32 pilots and 5 A320s busy? I'll have what he's smoking
Not to mention of course there would be serious issues if that info was to get out, what with being market sensitive and all
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 01:45
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You know Qantas never wanted Qantas domestic, it was imposed upon them with the merger of australian airlines. It's the very reason jetstar was created to absorb what was then australian airlines and sell it off as its own entity. When Air New Zealand bought into Ansett, there was a change in thinking.
I wouldn't rule out a return to that strategy in some form post covid.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 02:27
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Originally Posted by airdualbleedfault
LOL how's the coolaid? New business to keep 32 pilots and 5 A320s busy? I'll have what he's smoking
Not to mention of course there would be serious issues if that info was to get out, what with being market sensitive and all
do some research, you’ll find it yourself.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 02:38
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Too many pilots with too much time should be the name of this thread now.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 03:38
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
You know Qantas never wanted Qantas domestic, it was imposed upon them with the merger of australian airlines. It's the very reason jetstar was created to absorb what was then australian airlines and sell it off as its own entity. When Air New Zealand bought into Ansett, there was a change in thinking.
I wouldn't rule out a return to that strategy in some form post covid.
Yikes! Must be retired Longhaul.
QF Domestic has been the life blood of Qantas since the “takeover” of Australian Airlines in 1992.
The reality is that the current CEO has been looking for a reason to give up on Longhaul for his entire administration.
Project Sunrise is its last best hope.
Longhaul has managed to believe its own BS for decades now. This crisis has demonstrated how fragile ,and marginally profitable ,it is.
Reality is the A380 will probably never fly again.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 05:59
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You're quite right George, short haul saved the day after 911 and probably the GFC as well, this event will be no different. Short haul is sure to be back before long haul. The Company structure is messy though with all those subsidiaries in the mix. This might be an opportunity to clean that up and I can't see jetstar being on the cleanup list.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 06:06
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate
thats not entirely true. The 717 is a different aircraft size. An a320 is effectively the same as a 737. So it hasn’t been tested as a ‘replacement’ as such, and when the 717 was growing, no one from the 737 was forced out of the business. Entirely different scenario if the a320 is growing and the 737 is shrinking.
717 took over 737 several slots into canberra and adelaide. Their eagerness to get rid of bag chucker's proofs they are gearing up for less ground handing requirements using a320 ULD system. Melbourne workshops have been churning out a million of them.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 06:11
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Originally Posted by unobtanium
717 took over 737 several slots into canberra and adelaide. Their eagerness to get rid of bag chucker's proofs they are gearing up for less ground handing requirements using a320 ULD system. Melbourne workshops have been churning out a million of them.
i don’t disagree in that regard mate, that free’d up the 737 for other stuff. What I’m saying is, an increase in 320 at the same time the 737 is decreasing, if the product was identical, is a different scenario to taking over some routes when the 737 is also holding steady/expanding.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 06:15
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Originally Posted by unobtanium
717 took over 737 several slots into canberra and adelaide. Their eagerness to get rid of bag chucker's proofs they are gearing up for less ground handing requirements using a320 ULD system. Melbourne workshops have been churning out a million of them.
If you are reffering to Network A320's, they don't use ULD's
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 06:37
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
You know Qantas never wanted Qantas domestic, it was imposed upon them with the merger of australian airlines. It's the very reason jetstar was created to absorb what was then australian airlines and sell it off as its own entity. When Air New Zealand bought into Ansett, there was a change in thinking.
I wouldn't rule out a return to that strategy in some form post covid.
I doubt it. With int'l ops stuffed for years to come, domestic operations will be the only thing getting off the deck for quite a while and without domestic, QF will just be a loyalty business
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 10:32
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
You know Qantas never wanted Qantas domestic, it was imposed upon them with the merger of australian airlines. It's the very reason jetstar was created to absorb what was then australian airlines and sell it off as its own entity. When Air New Zealand bought into Ansett, there was a change in thinking.
I wouldn't rule out a return to that strategy in some form post covid.
That is absolute garbage.
At the time the then CEO of QF spent a lot of time pursuing the merger.
He was rewarded with the success that Keating delivered.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 11:27
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That is absolute garbage.
At the time the then CEO of QF spent a lot of time pursuing the merger.
He was rewarded with the success that Keating delivered.
You are correct Qantas got TAA and Ansett got to fly overseas that was the trade off.
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