QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages
It was meant to be a pisstake, but will surely be lost on both the pedants and illiterates lurking here.
It pains me that we who only need to learn one language can’t get it right. Many other nationalities master two or more languages and do better
I have just finished reading an extensive study of average national IQ levels and sadly note that Australia is on equal footing with the USA. Both in decline, way behind several Asian and European countries.
Apologies for adding to thread drift.
It pains me that we who only need to learn one language can’t get it right. Many other nationalities master two or more languages and do better
I have just finished reading an extensive study of average national IQ levels and sadly note that Australia is on equal footing with the USA. Both in decline, way behind several Asian and European countries.
Apologies for adding to thread drift.
Last edited by Mach E Avelli; 22nd Jul 2020 at 22:59. Reason: added "pedants and illiterates" to clarify intent
Was meant to be a pisstake. It pains me that we who only need to learn one language can’t get it right. Many other nationalities master two or more languages and do better
I have just finished reading an extensive study of average national IQ levels and sadly note that Australia is on equal footing with the USA. Both in decline, way behind several Asian and European countries.
Apologies for adding to thread drift.
I have just finished reading an extensive study of average national IQ levels and sadly note that Australia is on equal footing with the USA. Both in decline, way behind several Asian and European countries.
Apologies for adding to thread drift.
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It pains me that we who only need to learn one language can’t get it right
Could of been a mistake?
I am not sure why the consensus seems to be hanging onto provisions of the EBA going forward, it has been said at various levels of government that these are unprecedented times, and the travel industry has been hardest hit. If there was ever a time to terminate an EBA in exceptional circumstances for an airline, it would be now with the majority of the fleet grounded because of governmentent imposed restrictions which have no foreseeable end. If we could see the end date of this it would be different, that is not the case.
The public interest going forward is for two viable domestic airlines, which will require significant downsizing from the current size. Cuts would have to go across the board, head office, catering, ground support/engineering, cabin crew, and pilots.
The public interest going forward is for two viable domestic airlines, which will require significant downsizing from the current size. Cuts would have to go across the board, head office, catering, ground support/engineering, cabin crew, and pilots.
we're all sitting on a circa 90% paycut. As we go back flying that cut will lessen until such stage as everyone (left) is flying and something of a recovery is well under way so you could easily say we are supporting the situation hugely.
yet you randomly suggest here that we need to start making 'gives' from an agreement made during the crisis.
what gives?
Common sense - aka the ability to reason and act appropriately to a situation - is one of the many markers of IQ. Societies with the highest IQ are best prepared to survive hard times. One study makes much of the fact that IQ is only partly acquired through education and environment. It is also tied to genes and race, but not gender. This would not be seen as "politically correct" here. Inhibited we certainly are, but I agree that we are better off here than almost anywhere else in the world right now. Just so long as we don't f@#k it up.
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Many people here simply refuse to accept reality four months ago I said this on the project sunrise thread when so many
were agonizing over this new contracts , the night credits the other T & Cs. The reality is that when this was posted (30th March ) PS was a dead duck
"Guys the high & mighty Project Sunrise was something for pre global pandemic days
Who could forget the epic photos of QF leaders landing in Honolulu with loud shirts after indulging in a beverage or two
, or was this a delivery flight of the "game changer" . What a truly edifying happy snap that one was, how truly iconic it was for a brief moment. All so hard to remember , there was just so much big talk , so much chest beating & the hype (as well the delays in action & decisions) was just endless
Qantas is not going to order any aircraft for years & PS is dead
Stop dream time it won't help you rebuild your careers & for many that will mean finding either (a) a new airline or (b) a new career
Two years from now you will be doing incredibly well if you have two thirds of your international capacity back "
The projection of two thirds of capacity back in two years , March 2022 was wildly optimistic , you kick off international in June/July 2021 starting at zero % at that point in time
Having 25% back after two years (March 2022) would be a great achievement
LWOP update: I note that QF is offering employment at Network via EOI at the moment , it is only available to those on LWOP
Clearly QF is certain to make lwop an eligibility criteria for employment in other group airlines & well possibly Jetstars
Choice would seem pretty clear for SOs years on stand down & strong possibility of CR with re-employment in 2030s
Or take lwop guarantee your return in a few years & quite reasonable likelihood of employment in other QF group airline via "lwop only" entry
Still think your more senior pilots pushing the "hang in there mate" line are advising you wisely
were agonizing over this new contracts , the night credits the other T & Cs. The reality is that when this was posted (30th March ) PS was a dead duck
"Guys the high & mighty Project Sunrise was something for pre global pandemic days
Who could forget the epic photos of QF leaders landing in Honolulu with loud shirts after indulging in a beverage or two
, or was this a delivery flight of the "game changer" . What a truly edifying happy snap that one was, how truly iconic it was for a brief moment. All so hard to remember , there was just so much big talk , so much chest beating & the hype (as well the delays in action & decisions) was just endless
Qantas is not going to order any aircraft for years & PS is dead
Stop dream time it won't help you rebuild your careers & for many that will mean finding either (a) a new airline or (b) a new career
Two years from now you will be doing incredibly well if you have two thirds of your international capacity back "
The projection of two thirds of capacity back in two years , March 2022 was wildly optimistic , you kick off international in June/July 2021 starting at zero % at that point in time
Having 25% back after two years (March 2022) would be a great achievement
LWOP update: I note that QF is offering employment at Network via EOI at the moment , it is only available to those on LWOP
Clearly QF is certain to make lwop an eligibility criteria for employment in other group airlines & well possibly Jetstars
Choice would seem pretty clear for SOs years on stand down & strong possibility of CR with re-employment in 2030s
Or take lwop guarantee your return in a few years & quite reasonable likelihood of employment in other QF group airline via "lwop only" entry
Still think your more senior pilots pushing the "hang in there mate" line are advising you wisely
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LWOP update: I note that QF is offering employment at Network via EOI at the moment , it is only available to those on LWOP
Clearly QF is certain to make lwop an eligibility criteria for employment in other group airlines & well possibly Jetstars
Clearly QF is certain to make lwop an eligibility criteria for employment in other group airlines & well possibly Jetstars
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Where this is different is that lwop is a pre-requisite to applying - never occurred before
In the past you could apply , do interview , receive offer , then apply for lwop from your particular QF airline
So this process is something completely new
In the past you could apply , do interview , receive offer , then apply for lwop from your particular QF airline
So this process is something completely new
As I understand its the same as all other opportunities in the past. a month ago, I was told by our Chief Pilot LWOP will be granted for any "Group opportunities", But interested to know if it is different this time.
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How many QF mainline employees would have the requirements for those network positions anyway? maybe the SOs that transferred from Jetstar and PH based Jetstar guys that want to stay in Perth.
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Bit of a flat earth theory just above
You are assuming that criteria for other group jobs will remain the same
It could very well change to "be on lwop from mainline"
You are assuming that criteria for other group jobs will remain the same
It could very well change to "be on lwop from mainline"
I may be missing something here, but what about the current Network people? Have they picked up more work to justify an increase in staff numbers or is it in anticipation of picking up VARA work. Just asking..........
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First A320 from this fleet increase coming in October, anyone have any details on the subsequent deliveries to Network?
Given the requirement for A320 time within the last 12 months and the preference for WA domiciled applicants these slots seem to be tailor made for the now defunct PER base JQ guys and gals. The number of slots on offer is roughly the same as the size of the previous JQ base
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Crew costs cheaper than JQ (both in the cockpit and in the cabin) and able to charge mainline prices. An accountants dream.
Crystal balling, but I’m predicting 20-30 airframes and east coast bases within 3-5 years.
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Also PER-SIN and PER - BNE apparently, and taking over the PER-CNS from Jetstar. After they get the next 10 airframes PER-HBA, PER-MEL-AKL, and also PER - SIN - TPE - NRT. SYD and BNE bases starting within a year.
