QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages
Yes they can, because Jetstar have one EBA covering all their pilots.
from a quick look at the FW website under the JQ EBA 2015
24.2 Application of Seniority
F - retention or demotion in the case of reduction of establishment
Jetstar will do what’s cheapest, which means keeping the longhaul guys stood down for as long as possible.
from a quick look at the FW website under the JQ EBA 2015
24.2 Application of Seniority
F - retention or demotion in the case of reduction of establishment
Jetstar will do what’s cheapest, which means keeping the longhaul guys stood down for as long as possible.
Can a Jetstar long haul pilot essentially knife someone on a narrow body?
Myself and my colleagues are most certainly expecting our wide body part of our base to get the chop, however all those in the left seat (and some right) on the 787 are all ex Airbus Command anyway and don’t want to move cities. They are all ahead of us on the list. Basically they want my job. Some of those people I was informed this week have already been talking of taking my job which upset me this week. I’ve got both sides of the seat on the big twin gunning for my job. That’s a lot of people.
I am happy to sit out for a year or two. Can’t move the family so need to do what I can to maintain my position and fleet. CR would mean I would walk away from the job which would have a bad effect on my mental state considering this is all I’ve done for the last 25 years. Working at Woolworths now really is an eye opener.
Myself and my colleagues are most certainly expecting our wide body part of our base to get the chop, however all those in the left seat (and some right) on the 787 are all ex Airbus Command anyway and don’t want to move cities. They are all ahead of us on the list. Basically they want my job. Some of those people I was informed this week have already been talking of taking my job which upset me this week. I’ve got both sides of the seat on the big twin gunning for my job. That’s a lot of people.
I am happy to sit out for a year or two. Can’t move the family so need to do what I can to maintain my position and fleet. CR would mean I would walk away from the job which would have a bad effect on my mental state considering this is all I’ve done for the last 25 years. Working at Woolworths now really is an eye opener.
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Can a Jetstar long haul pilot essentially knife someone on a narrow body?
Myself and my colleagues are most certainly expecting our wide body part of our base to get the chop, however all those in the left seat (and some right) on the 787 are all ex Airbus Command anyway and don’t want to move cities. They are all ahead of us on the list. Basically they want my job. Some of those people I was informed this week have already been talking of taking my job which upset me this week. I’ve got both sides of the seat on the big twin gunning for my job. That’s a lot of people.
I am happy to sit out for a year or two. Can’t move the family so need to do what I can to maintain my position and fleet. CR would mean I would walk away from the job which would have a bad effect on my mental state considering this is all I’ve done for the last 25 years. Working at Woolworths now really is an eye opener.
Myself and my colleagues are most certainly expecting our wide body part of our base to get the chop, however all those in the left seat (and some right) on the 787 are all ex Airbus Command anyway and don’t want to move cities. They are all ahead of us on the list. Basically they want my job. Some of those people I was informed this week have already been talking of taking my job which upset me this week. I’ve got both sides of the seat on the big twin gunning for my job. That’s a lot of people.
I am happy to sit out for a year or two. Can’t move the family so need to do what I can to maintain my position and fleet. CR would mean I would walk away from the job which would have a bad effect on my mental state considering this is all I’ve done for the last 25 years. Working at Woolworths now really is an eye opener.
The company has said again and again that they don’t to do CR and I actually believe them. Wana know why? Because it’s expensive. Not only do they have to cough up the CR payment, they have to pay out your leave balances and give you the required notice period all of which burns cash which they are doing everything they can to avoid. It’s why they’re pushing the LWOP card so hard, because it costs nothing.
Im in the bottom 200 numbers so I am firmly in the danger zone. If it comes to it, I’ll go on LWOP as well to avoid redundancy but I’ll be damned if I offer it up to them before they release the VR numbers. There are 2 main reasons for this...
Any future job keeper scheme may exclude people on LWOP. I desperately need that money if I can get it. Interestingly, someone on the webinar actually said they have spoken to the ATO twice and they told him that anyone on LWOP should not be currently getting jobkeeper. Even if that’s not the case, the government has consistently said they are planning on tightening the future eligibility of jobkeeper, so watch this space.
Second, at the end of the SO webinar, Doug Alley even conceded that they would probably have to revisit LWOP after the 7th of August deadline in the event that they were forced to run a CR program. And why wouldn’t they? Like I said, CR is expensive LWOP isn’t. If it comes to it, surely they will continue to work their way up the list offering LWOP as required knowing people will likely take it over redundancy, hence saving the company money.
The company are not trying to arbitrarily axe X number of pilots. They are trying to manage a pilot surplus through the CHEAPEST means possible. The company have said it many times that LWOP is the cheapest and most preferred option (VR/early Retirement Packages for older pilots are a different proposition for a variety of reason I won’t bother listing). If you think that taking LWOP now is some cunning move because the company will definitely CR the bloke above you, then you’re not thinking it through. You might return to work a couple of months earlier than me if I go on LWOP in a few months from now but you might miss out on months of jobkeeper and I might never have to go on LWOP at all.
Im in the bottom 200 numbers so I am firmly in the danger zone. If it comes to it, I’ll go on LWOP as well to avoid redundancy but I’ll be damned if I offer it up to them before they release the VR numbers. There are 2 main reasons for this...
Any future job keeper scheme may exclude people on LWOP. I desperately need that money if I can get it. Interestingly, someone on the webinar actually said they have spoken to the ATO twice and they told him that anyone on LWOP should not be currently getting jobkeeper. Even if that’s not the case, the government has consistently said they are planning on tightening the future eligibility of jobkeeper, so watch this space.
Second, at the end of the SO webinar, Doug Alley even conceded that they would probably have to revisit LWOP after the 7th of August deadline in the event that they were forced to run a CR program. And why wouldn’t they? Like I said, CR is expensive LWOP isn’t. If it comes to it, surely they will continue to work their way up the list offering LWOP as required knowing people will likely take it over redundancy, hence saving the company money.
The company are not trying to arbitrarily axe X number of pilots. They are trying to manage a pilot surplus through the CHEAPEST means possible. The company have said it many times that LWOP is the cheapest and most preferred option (VR/early Retirement Packages for older pilots are a different proposition for a variety of reason I won’t bother listing). If you think that taking LWOP now is some cunning move because the company will definitely CR the bloke above you, then you’re not thinking it through. You might return to work a couple of months earlier than me if I go on LWOP in a few months from now but you might miss out on months of jobkeeper and I might never have to go on LWOP at all.
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Can a Jetstar long haul pilot essentially knife someone on a narrow body?
Myself and my colleagues are most certainly expecting our wide body part of our base to get the chop, however all those in the left seat (and some right) on the 787 are all ex Airbus Command anyway and don’t want to move cities. They are all ahead of us on the list. Basically they want my job. Some of those people I was informed this week have already been talking of taking my job which upset me this week. I’ve got both sides of the seat on the big twin gunning for my job. That’s a lot of people.
I am happy to sit out for a year or two. Can’t move the family so need to do what I can to maintain my position and fleet. CR would mean I would walk away from the job which would have a bad effect on my mental state considering this is all I’ve done for the last 25 years. Working at Woolworths now really is an eye opener.
Myself and my colleagues are most certainly expecting our wide body part of our base to get the chop, however all those in the left seat (and some right) on the 787 are all ex Airbus Command anyway and don’t want to move cities. They are all ahead of us on the list. Basically they want my job. Some of those people I was informed this week have already been talking of taking my job which upset me this week. I’ve got both sides of the seat on the big twin gunning for my job. That’s a lot of people.
I am happy to sit out for a year or two. Can’t move the family so need to do what I can to maintain my position and fleet. CR would mean I would walk away from the job which would have a bad effect on my mental state considering this is all I’ve done for the last 25 years. Working at Woolworths now really is an eye opener.
Even before COVID, I was reminded by quite a few guys to think carefully about going on the 787, because if JQ decided to get rid of that fleet there are no provisions in the EBA guaranteeing that we’d be retrained back to the A320.
Besides, similar to the QF A380, JQ won’t announce what they’re doing with the 787 until they absolutely have to. Unfortunately for a year or 2, that could leave the 787 guys with a fair bit of ambiguity about what bases will remain open/closed and whether the fleet will remain at all.
Disgraceful? Pointing out that for almost 10 years you had only a handful of posts and in just over 4 months you have become a keyboard warrior? You have a weird definition of disgraceful.
What is disgraceful normanton is that you come this anonymous website and post with all knowing authority on a subject and yet refuse to do the same on Qrewroom. If you stand so strongly by what you type, post it where it actually matters on a website that is for Group pilots only - your colleagues, a lot who are under immense pressure right now - and not an anonymous board. If what you say is so important to be understood, because the pilot body just doesn't get it when you do, then why is it you don't post it there? Nobody is going to hold your opinion against you, they are either going to support it or point out why they think it is wrong. What is disgraceful is being an increasingly frequent poster on this website, and not on the one where protections are afforded, and is only for the people who this affects.
Read what overspeed typed. He gets what you don't.
What is disgraceful normanton is that you come this anonymous website and post with all knowing authority on a subject and yet refuse to do the same on Qrewroom. If you stand so strongly by what you type, post it where it actually matters on a website that is for Group pilots only - your colleagues, a lot who are under immense pressure right now - and not an anonymous board. If what you say is so important to be understood, because the pilot body just doesn't get it when you do, then why is it you don't post it there? Nobody is going to hold your opinion against you, they are either going to support it or point out why they think it is wrong. What is disgraceful is being an increasingly frequent poster on this website, and not on the one where protections are afforded, and is only for the people who this affects.
Read what overspeed typed. He gets what you don't.
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Can a Jetstar long haul pilot essentially knife someone on a narrow body?
Myself and my colleagues are most certainly expecting our wide body part of our base to get the chop, however all those in the left seat (and some right) on the 787 are all ex Airbus Command anyway and don’t want to move cities. They are all ahead of us on the list. Basically they want my job. Some of those people I was informed this week have already been talking of taking my job which upset me this week. I’ve got both sides of the seat on the big twin gunning for my job. That’s a lot of people.
I am happy to sit out for a year or two. Can’t move the family so need to do what I can to maintain my position and fleet. CR would mean I would walk away from the job which would have a bad effect on my mental state considering this is all I’ve done for the last 25 years. Working at Woolworths now really is an eye opener.
Myself and my colleagues are most certainly expecting our wide body part of our base to get the chop, however all those in the left seat (and some right) on the 787 are all ex Airbus Command anyway and don’t want to move cities. They are all ahead of us on the list. Basically they want my job. Some of those people I was informed this week have already been talking of taking my job which upset me this week. I’ve got both sides of the seat on the big twin gunning for my job. That’s a lot of people.
I am happy to sit out for a year or two. Can’t move the family so need to do what I can to maintain my position and fleet. CR would mean I would walk away from the job which would have a bad effect on my mental state considering this is all I’ve done for the last 25 years. Working at Woolworths now really is an eye opener.
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The company has said again and again that they don’t to do CR and I actually believe them. Wana know why? Because it’s expensive. Not only do they have to cough up the CR payment, they have to pay out your leave balances and give you the required notice period all of which burns cash which they are doing everything they can to avoid. It’s why they’re pushing the LWOP card so hard, because it costs nothing.
Im in the bottom 200 numbers so I am firmly in the danger zone. If it comes to it, I’ll go on LWOP as well to avoid redundancy but I’ll be damned if I offer it up to them before they release the VR numbers. There are 2 main reasons for this...
Any future job keeper scheme may exclude people on LWOP. I desperately need that money if I can get it. Interestingly, someone on the webinar actually said they have spoken to the ATO twice and they told him that anyone on LWOP should not be currently getting jobkeeper. Even if that’s not the case, the government has consistently said they are planning on tightening the future eligibility of jobkeeper, so watch this space.
Second, at the end of the SO webinar, Doug Alley even conceded that they would probably have to revisit LWOP after the 7th of August deadline in the event that they were forced to run a CR program. And why wouldn’t they? Like I said, CR is expensive LWOP isn’t. If it comes to it, surely they will continue to work their way up the list offering LWOP as required knowing people will likely take it over redundancy, hence saving the company money.
The company are not trying to arbitrarily axe X number of pilots. They are trying to manage a pilot surplus through the CHEAPEST means possible. The company have said it many times that LWOP is the cheapest and most preferred option (VR/early Retirement Packages for older pilots are a different proposition for a variety of reason I won’t bother listing). If you think that taking LWOP now is some cunning move because the company will definitely CR the bloke above you, then you’re not thinking it through. You might return to work a couple of months earlier than me if I go on LWOP in a few months from now but you might miss out on months of jobkeeper and I might never have to go on LWOP at all.
Im in the bottom 200 numbers so I am firmly in the danger zone. If it comes to it, I’ll go on LWOP as well to avoid redundancy but I’ll be damned if I offer it up to them before they release the VR numbers. There are 2 main reasons for this...
Any future job keeper scheme may exclude people on LWOP. I desperately need that money if I can get it. Interestingly, someone on the webinar actually said they have spoken to the ATO twice and they told him that anyone on LWOP should not be currently getting jobkeeper. Even if that’s not the case, the government has consistently said they are planning on tightening the future eligibility of jobkeeper, so watch this space.
Second, at the end of the SO webinar, Doug Alley even conceded that they would probably have to revisit LWOP after the 7th of August deadline in the event that they were forced to run a CR program. And why wouldn’t they? Like I said, CR is expensive LWOP isn’t. If it comes to it, surely they will continue to work their way up the list offering LWOP as required knowing people will likely take it over redundancy, hence saving the company money.
The company are not trying to arbitrarily axe X number of pilots. They are trying to manage a pilot surplus through the CHEAPEST means possible. The company have said it many times that LWOP is the cheapest and most preferred option (VR/early Retirement Packages for older pilots are a different proposition for a variety of reason I won’t bother listing). If you think that taking LWOP now is some cunning move because the company will definitely CR the bloke above you, then you’re not thinking it through. You might return to work a couple of months earlier than me if I go on LWOP in a few months from now but you might miss out on months of jobkeeper and I might never have to go on LWOP at all.
I haven’t post on Prune for over 15 years, but I couldn’t let this post slip by in the current climate.
Overspeed has hit the nail on the head, great insight for someone at the bottom of the list - looking forward to flying with you when this sh#t is all dusted
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Disgraceful? Pointing out that for almost 10 years you had only a handful of posts and in just over 4 months you have become a keyboard warrior? You have a weird definition of disgraceful.
What is disgraceful normanton is that you come this anonymous website and post with all knowing authority on a subject and yet refuse to do the same on Qrewroom. If you stand so strongly by what you type, post it where it actually matters on a website that is for Group pilots only - your colleagues, a lot who are under immense pressure right now - and not an anonymous board. If what you say is so important to be understood, because the pilot body just doesn't get it when you do, then why is it you don't post it there? Nobody is going to hold your opinion against you, they are either going to support it or point out why they think it is wrong. What is disgraceful is being an increasingly frequent poster on this website, and not on the one where protections are afforded, and is only for the people who this affects.
Read what overspeed typed. He gets what you don't.
What is disgraceful normanton is that you come this anonymous website and post with all knowing authority on a subject and yet refuse to do the same on Qrewroom. If you stand so strongly by what you type, post it where it actually matters on a website that is for Group pilots only - your colleagues, a lot who are under immense pressure right now - and not an anonymous board. If what you say is so important to be understood, because the pilot body just doesn't get it when you do, then why is it you don't post it there? Nobody is going to hold your opinion against you, they are either going to support it or point out why they think it is wrong. What is disgraceful is being an increasingly frequent poster on this website, and not on the one where protections are afforded, and is only for the people who this affects.
Read what overspeed typed. He gets what you don't.
Have a good hard think about why you rarely see junior crew posting on Qrewroom. Once you've worked it out let us know. Last time I looked on there the faithful whingers were claiming no changes to the EBA that was voted up only months ago. Now the company uses a clause in the EBA to the potential detriment of senior crew and it's suddenly unacceptable.
Overspeed makes some very valid points. I think if the government came out and said no JobKeeper extension on LWOP then the majority of people would stay stood down. If they approve JobKeeper extension on LWOP, base will be overloaded with LWOP requests.
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Since when have I claimed I'm an all knowing authority? God you talk some ****. You let your head and emotion get in the way of business. It's business 101. Try looking at it from a non-pilot perspective at what Qantas want and need to achieve.
Have a good hard think about why you rarely see junior crew posting on Qrewroom. Once you've worked it out let us know. Last time I looked on there the faithful whingers were claiming no changes to the EBA that was voted up only months ago. Now the company uses a clause in the EBA to the potential detriment of senior crew and it's suddenly unacceptable.
Overspeed makes some very valid points. I think if the government came out and said no JobKeeper extension on LWOP then the majority of people would stay stood down. If they approve JobKeeper extension on LWOP, base will be overloaded with LWOP requests.
Have a good hard think about why you rarely see junior crew posting on Qrewroom. Once you've worked it out let us know. Last time I looked on there the faithful whingers were claiming no changes to the EBA that was voted up only months ago. Now the company uses a clause in the EBA to the potential detriment of senior crew and it's suddenly unacceptable.
Overspeed makes some very valid points. I think if the government came out and said no JobKeeper extension on LWOP then the majority of people would stay stood down. If they approve JobKeeper extension on LWOP, base will be overloaded with LWOP requests.
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As I already said, overspeed1 makes some very valid points. I suspect the LWOP / stand down decision many junior crew will have to make will depend on the government allowing any Jobkeeper extension whilst on LWOP.
A little bit of research for you, perhaps (hint hint check the date): https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...#ixzz31ZzMarZV
Bit of a different scenario wouldn't you say? Back then you could take LWOP and go overseas and work for Jamaican airlines flying a 737. These days your lucky to be stacking shelves at Woolies.
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If you trawl through my post history like our mate mmmbop here, you will see I have already de-bunked that theory.
As I already said, overspeed1 makes some very valid points. I suspect the LWOP / stand down decision many junior crew will have to make will depend on the government allowing any Jobkeeper extension whilst on LWOP.
If your going to link something behind a paywall, copy it for everyone to see.
Bit of a different scenario wouldn't you say? Back then you could take LWOP and go overseas and work for Jamaican airlines flying a 737. These days your lucky to be stacking shelves at Woolies.
As I already said, overspeed1 makes some very valid points. I suspect the LWOP / stand down decision many junior crew will have to make will depend on the government allowing any Jobkeeper extension whilst on LWOP.
If your going to link something behind a paywall, copy it for everyone to see.
Bit of a different scenario wouldn't you say? Back then you could take LWOP and go overseas and work for Jamaican airlines flying a 737. These days your lucky to be stacking shelves at Woolies.
All the years that many of you have been putting trash on Alan Joyce (who has done a great job) will now be paid for. Get ready to be screwed. Someone said it’s not about getting rid of X number of pilots. That is true. It’s about getting rid of as many X number of pilots from coming back to the existing LH award. If you take LWOP, you will be deemed company friendly and when the new QF international starts up on new contracts, you will be in high demand. Either way, there are more pilots than future jobs. This round of CR is the beginning of the end.
If those guys on the jq widebody think jq are going to pay for 230 or so A320 endorsements they have rocks in their head. The Eba allows the company to effectively do whatever they want, and they will. And what they want to do is expend the least amount of capital possible. I got 99 problems but 787 blue shirts pushing me out of my job ain't one.
All the JQ787 skippers are 9+ service so the payout is 16 weeks severance ($70K), plus 2 months notice ($38K), plus AL and LSL, lets say between 10 and 20+ weeks (anywhere between $45K and $90K+). So payout figures at a bare minimum of $110K all the way up to $200K+. That doesn't even encompass T&C Captains.
With an endorsement cost of $40K and displacement of A320 FO's with 1-4 years service (4-8 weeks severance), I think the money would be on JQ retraining the B787 crew onto the airbus fleet rather than CR. Lets hope it doesn't come to that for all our sakes!
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
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Best advice I ever received at the start of divorce was to compose every message, email, online rant, voice memo, with the expectation either a judge, or my kids would one day read it. I adopt the same principles when it comes to work matters. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, however the same message can be conveyed in a way that ins't offensive, and people respect you for having the conviction to say what you think. Lots of people have earned a lot of respect on the Q specific site for doing such, even if the majority disagree. Respect that they can voice their opinions in a diplomatic and appropriate way. The same principle we should all operate aircraft with.
By being controversial on here, it has the effect of drawing plenty of attention speculating as to who the author may be, and often it gets narrowed to a small group of likely people. Some innocent ones get tarred by the same brush. Be careful. Right or wrong, it is what happens. Accept and deal with it. Be accountable.
In times like this, stresses are different for everyone, and for each a different solution will be appropriate. If you have a stable second income, can survive LWOP, I don't blame you for taking it. Sure it comes at a cost, but so do most things. Look at income insurance, pet insurance, paint protection on a new car - some choose to have it and pay for it, others don't. Make a choice, be responsible for you decisions, and move forward not back. Some will be winners, some will be losers. Best lesson you can teach your kids - life isn't always fair. Those who can accept that fact and adapt do well. Others use that reality to become angry and irrational.
For me, I don't think it will get to CR, that is my roll of the dice. If it does, my payout will keep me alive for a while, will find another type of work, adapt and survive. If the company thrives, in a few years will get called back. If for some reason the company doesn't survive, then I may have walked out with my entitlements in full.
Hopefully I just remain on stand down and in the next year or two things return slowly at first, and then get back to normal. Or the picture and options become clearer and I will choose what becomes the best option when all the planets align.
Lot's more people than I expected are very interested in the VR, so I am not going to make a decision on LWOP until that plays out. Again my choice, my gamble, and won't be here slanging those more senior, junior, on different types, awards, demographic, or any other group off. I will accept I made my own choice. A bit like bidding for promotions and types in QF. Some get lucky, others not so, but such is life.
By being controversial on here, it has the effect of drawing plenty of attention speculating as to who the author may be, and often it gets narrowed to a small group of likely people. Some innocent ones get tarred by the same brush. Be careful. Right or wrong, it is what happens. Accept and deal with it. Be accountable.
In times like this, stresses are different for everyone, and for each a different solution will be appropriate. If you have a stable second income, can survive LWOP, I don't blame you for taking it. Sure it comes at a cost, but so do most things. Look at income insurance, pet insurance, paint protection on a new car - some choose to have it and pay for it, others don't. Make a choice, be responsible for you decisions, and move forward not back. Some will be winners, some will be losers. Best lesson you can teach your kids - life isn't always fair. Those who can accept that fact and adapt do well. Others use that reality to become angry and irrational.
For me, I don't think it will get to CR, that is my roll of the dice. If it does, my payout will keep me alive for a while, will find another type of work, adapt and survive. If the company thrives, in a few years will get called back. If for some reason the company doesn't survive, then I may have walked out with my entitlements in full.
Hopefully I just remain on stand down and in the next year or two things return slowly at first, and then get back to normal. Or the picture and options become clearer and I will choose what becomes the best option when all the planets align.
Lot's more people than I expected are very interested in the VR, so I am not going to make a decision on LWOP until that plays out. Again my choice, my gamble, and won't be here slanging those more senior, junior, on different types, awards, demographic, or any other group off. I will accept I made my own choice. A bit like bidding for promotions and types in QF. Some get lucky, others not so, but such is life.
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Rocks in their heads eh. Lets not get emotional and work the problem.
All the JQ787 skippers are 9+ service so the payout is 16 weeks severance ($70K), plus 2 months notice ($38K), plus AL and LSL, lets say between 10 and 20+ weeks (anywhere between $45K and $90K+). So payout figures at a bare minimum of $110K all the way up to $200K+. That doesn't even encompass T&C Captains.
With an endorsement cost of $40K and displacement of A320 FO's with 1-4 years service (4-8 weeks severance), I think the money would be on JQ retraining the B787 crew onto the airbus fleet rather than CR. Lets hope it doesn't come to that for all our sakes!
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
All the JQ787 skippers are 9+ service so the payout is 16 weeks severance ($70K), plus 2 months notice ($38K), plus AL and LSL, lets say between 10 and 20+ weeks (anywhere between $45K and $90K+). So payout figures at a bare minimum of $110K all the way up to $200K+. That doesn't even encompass T&C Captains.
With an endorsement cost of $40K and displacement of A320 FO's with 1-4 years service (4-8 weeks severance), I think the money would be on JQ retraining the B787 crew onto the airbus fleet rather than CR. Lets hope it doesn't come to that for all our sakes!
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
The frustrating thing is as PoppaJo post he has been told "Some of those people I was informed this week have already been talking of taking my job which upset me this week. I’ve got both sides of the seat on the big twin gunning for my job. That’s a lot of people" It really pi$$es me off to read that, that someone has been subjected to that kind of talk at as time like this. As seen on telegram one 787 guy telling everyone that 787 crews were gunning for all the 320 commands and FO slots in capital city's and bottom 200 on the list are gone, goes to show what a gem that guy is.
The rubbish talk and scaremongering needs to stop on these forums by anyone regardless who you work for, yes I bet there is one that will say don't look then. Well, a lot of others do they cant help it. There was more honor in my early days when everyone was wanting to scrounge around for twin time on the Baron than there is now!
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Except it’s not that simple.
Add in the cost of 3 months wages plus hotel & allowances and you can more than double that $40k.
And if/when they are needed again do you rinse and repeat for another $80k? All so you can push out a junior burger?
Besides, unless they were given type / base protection, many of the B787 Captains wouldn’t stand a chance of getting back on the widebody again
Add in the cost of 3 months wages plus hotel & allowances and you can more than double that $40k.
And if/when they are needed again do you rinse and repeat for another $80k? All so you can push out a junior burger?
Besides, unless they were given type / base protection, many of the B787 Captains wouldn’t stand a chance of getting back on the widebody again
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It’s good to see the JQ boys and girls can squabble about who should get made redundant as well as our QF colleagues. Who said there was no equality within the group!
just remember JQ peeps, unlike QF, management haven’t even offered us VR, let alone forcing CR so I think we’re jumping at shadows a touch.
I prefer the hypothetical conversation though than the real scenario, hopefully we never find out what the company would do if push comes to shove.
just remember JQ peeps, unlike QF, management haven’t even offered us VR, let alone forcing CR so I think we’re jumping at shadows a touch.
I prefer the hypothetical conversation though than the real scenario, hopefully we never find out what the company would do if push comes to shove.
hopefully we never find out what the company would do if push comes to shove.