QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages
Something that will have to be considered is the fact whilst pilots on long term stand down will probably return to flying, after having spent several years off coming back to flying won’t just be a matter of a few sims and off they go. The retraining will be extensive, and not just for individuals, we’re talking about entire fleets of pilots including instructors who haven’t been operational for a considerable length of time.
You would guess that a return to “normal” traffic would be slow and incremental though, so a fleet-wide recency problem should be manageable given enough forethought.
I am not reading anything currently that suggests a robust travel recovery absent a vaccine, even if immunisation is something that may have to be boosted periodically. I fear that we haven’t seen the entire SarsCoV-2 bag of tricks quite yet.
I am not reading anything currently that suggests a robust travel recovery absent a vaccine, even if immunisation is something that may have to be boosted periodically. I fear that we haven’t seen the entire SarsCoV-2 bag of tricks quite yet.
A quote from AJ;
“The A380 is a crucial part of our long-haul fleet and this upgrade program will see customers enjoy everything the aircraft has to offer for years to come.”
Admittedly before Covid but a big call to write off the fleet with six newly refurbished aircraft done. Effectively a new aircraft with the latest cabin, IFE etc.
The A380 is a unique asset. QF doesn’t have any replacement in terms of capacity or cabin i.e. First Class!
Everyone else is parking their old ones so QF would be wise to keep these spiffy newly refurbed ones available to monopolise routes i.e. USA.
Pity they are just about to send off most of the A380 crew away with a golden hand shake??
“The A380 is a crucial part of our long-haul fleet and this upgrade program will see customers enjoy everything the aircraft has to offer for years to come.”
Admittedly before Covid but a big call to write off the fleet with six newly refurbished aircraft done. Effectively a new aircraft with the latest cabin, IFE etc.
The A380 is a unique asset. QF doesn’t have any replacement in terms of capacity or cabin i.e. First Class!
Everyone else is parking their old ones so QF would be wise to keep these spiffy newly refurbed ones available to monopolise routes i.e. USA.
Pity they are just about to send off most of the A380 crew away with a golden hand shake??
There was an article recently detailing the amount of work that A380’s require whilst in storage (mainly focussed on the SQ A380’s in Alice Springs but detailed the manufacturer’s requirements) and it is very significant. If all 12 QF A380’s get parked in Victorville, then there would be sufficient full time work for at least two of the LAX based engineers (relocate or have a lengthy commute each day). It would be worth monitoring if this ongoing maintenance is being performed because, if it stops, it signals that management have made the decision not to bring them back into service. Another scenario is that they may only maintain the aircraft that have had the recent upgrade.
In Oz, aircraft are written off over 12 years so, the early delivered aircraft would now have no value on the company books and, as we’ve known for a long time, there is zero market for second hand A380’s. For the remaining aircraft in the fleet there would be some residual book value which could be used by Joyce to increase the company’s FY loss (may be delayed a year or two to get the best timing) and then orchestrate a second miraculous turnaround - imagine the bonus he could reward himself for doing that.
cynphil - I totally agree.
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Willing to put money in escrow.
I'm making this bet based on the fact that the aviation industry is entirely irrational. (I can back that up by research).
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Why would QF pay millions of dollars to dust off the A380 in three years? Its' a white elephant now, let alone in a world where other airlines will be backing out of they A350 purchase contracts left & right. It's dead, it just doesn't know it yet. The 350-900 & 1000 is a superior choice in every way.
Apparently the humidity is much less in Arizona compared to Alice Springs.
Two minutes on the internet shows the opposite to be the case. Alice Springs is much less humid than Mojave.
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I guess you can thank AJs predecessor for not buying the trippler
You are now left with valueless junk & pissed another $500 million up against the wall on upgrade
Strange how QF still persist with the line "couldn't make a 777 work"
Tough times no doubt - QF do not have an international business , but it "might" commence 12 months from now
Joiners from 2016 onward ihmo should stop listening to living legends on pprune who have decades on seniority & take LWOP
CRs are coming to the QF pilot group and the number will be in four figures - really just similar % to Kiwis/ BA / AirCan
You are now left with valueless junk & pissed another $500 million up against the wall on upgrade
Strange how QF still persist with the line "couldn't make a 777 work"
Tough times no doubt - QF do not have an international business , but it "might" commence 12 months from now
Joiners from 2016 onward ihmo should stop listening to living legends on pprune who have decades on seniority & take LWOP
CRs are coming to the QF pilot group and the number will be in four figures - really just similar % to Kiwis/ BA / AirCan
There’ll be no more than 190 positions in surplus if no firm fleet changes are announced. Those numbers are based on the forecast of what will be needed in mid 2022.
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About one third wouldn't it be (& that would be inclusive of the inevitable SH redundancies)
Do you really think QF is going to start CR LH guys from over a decade ago while SH FOs who have
been around for five minutes are "protected" & retain their jobs
Not gonna happen , there is one seniority list & there is a surplus in both divisions now
Do you really think QF is going to start CR LH guys from over a decade ago while SH FOs who have
been around for five minutes are "protected" & retain their jobs
Not gonna happen , there is one seniority list & there is a surplus in both divisions now
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CRs are coming to the QF pilot group and the number will be in four figures
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I can't say whether there will be 380s flying again but I suspect if they do fly, it will only be the re-configured aircraft.
Also, considering the hundreds of engineering staff to be made redundant, the capability to service a full fleet will also be diminished. Sydney I hear are losing 300 from engineering and over 600 in total across the group.
Also, considering the hundreds of engineering staff to be made redundant, the capability to service a full fleet will also be diminished. Sydney I hear are losing 300 from engineering and over 600 in total across the group.
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Just what every other Airline in the world is doing
Why is Qantas any exception ?
You don't do any international flying atm & domestic is tiny
Do you actually believe all this "Australian exceptionalism" BS that gets promulgated by the Aussie media and talk feast brigade
That we are something special and have the best Universities ,national airlines, beaches , places to live ,pilots & for that matter everything else in the world ?
That we are "above" the outside world & what happens there - well that just has no relevance to us
Out from me
Why is Qantas any exception ?
You don't do any international flying atm & domestic is tiny
Do you actually believe all this "Australian exceptionalism" BS that gets promulgated by the Aussie media and talk feast brigade
That we are something special and have the best Universities ,national airlines, beaches , places to live ,pilots & for that matter everything else in the world ?
That we are "above" the outside world & what happens there - well that just has no relevance to us
Out from me
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If you are directing that me? People love outrage, disaster. The media and lefttards have now created that for anybody who wants to participate. A bit of rational and critical thinking is now required. The AFR reports that 38 billion that was spent on overseas tourism is now out of the question, I'd love to see how business adapts to the current situation and ensures that money gets spent in this country. But if you or anyone else wants to fixate on disaster and outrage, go for it. Unfortunately, life goes on.