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The vast majority of 380 pilots are great guys and gals! (but I have definitely run into some w@nkers on the crew bus - my captains words, not mine!)
The current world events and the circumstances we find our self in, has meant the 'gravy train bubble' has come to a swift halt. The new world order will come as a shock, and adapting is required for survival. It will only be temporary, and things will improve.
5 years down the track when 6 of the 380s are officially mothballed, and the 350s come in, you will all be grateful for listening to normantons wise wisdom about just how important it was to secure those 350's in LH10.
The current world events and the circumstances we find our self in, has meant the 'gravy train bubble' has come to a swift halt. The new world order will come as a shock, and adapting is required for survival. It will only be temporary, and things will improve.
5 years down the track when 6 of the 380s are officially mothballed, and the 350s come in, you will all be grateful for listening to normantons wise wisdom about just how important it was to secure those 350's in LH10.
It doesn’t help when you have a senior LH captain call into a webinar and demand a slot on the 737, then out himself on qrewroom telling everyone that he’s just looking after number 1, and disputing that “luck of draw, or right place, right time” has anything to do with this industry.
And for what it's worth, he's also usually considered one of the nicest blokes you could share a flight deck with…….
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It's a rough time for everyone. Much as I'd love to get parachuted onto SH (or anything...) right now, climbing over the backs of colleagues isn't the way to do it.
Not that it matters, but actually he's not a LH Captain but a 744 F/O with a severely disabled son who was (obviously inadvisedly) voicing his concerns at the plight he has found himself in. If you too are going to denigrate yourself online, at least do some research to verify the accuracy of your statement and include all of the information lest you appear as great a goose as you suggest he is.
And for what it's worth, he's also usually considered one of the nicest blokes you could share a flight deck with…….
Let's hope the 380s are still here so you can then use the 380 award conditions to offset Tino and Alan's next ultimatum! too
And for what it's worth, he's also usually considered one of the nicest blokes you could share a flight deck with…….
Let's hope the 380s are still here so you can then use the 380 award conditions to offset Tino and Alan's next ultimatum!
too And for the record, I never called him a goose. No need to be rude.
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Nunc est bibendum
Given he is on a now retired fleet his question is still somewhat relevant but more along the lines of ‘when can I expect to be RIN’d’ so that he can bid for a fleet with some ‘useful work’.
Several days ago there were comments from the federal government indicating borders may be closed until mid to late 2021.
Do you have a link?
short flights long nights
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...ng-b881586415z
There is one link. This one indicates borders may be shut until we have a vaccine
There is one link. This one indicates borders may be shut until we have a vaccine
This is embarrassing. Air NZ have actually had forced redundancies...hundreds of them...They have a thread too and somehow they managed to not denigrate the thread into a petty farce.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...ng-b881586415z
There is one link. This one indicates borders may be shut until we have a vaccine
There is one link. This one indicates borders may be shut until we have a vaccine
We are not supposed to be aiming for eradication, we are after flattening the curve, remember?
I will be surprised if we cannot travel overseas by Christmas.
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Some thoughts from a survivor of ‘89.
- Its bad . Very bad. Accept it . And deal with it.
- People under stress will say and do things under stress that they will regret for the rest of their lives.
Don’t be one of them.
- The worst possible outcome will be when you start eating your own.
- Circumstances like these are great revealers of character. Behave in a way that you can look back on with pride.
- This too will pass.
- Its bad . Very bad. Accept it . And deal with it.
- People under stress will say and do things under stress that they will regret for the rest of their lives.
Don’t be one of them.
- The worst possible outcome will be when you start eating your own.
- Circumstances like these are great revealers of character. Behave in a way that you can look back on with pride.
- This too will pass.
Once the borders open, if there is still not sufficient forward bookings, Qantas will leave crew stood down as they were going to originally, due to lack of demand - not the closure of the borders. Unfortunately the EA does not address how long crew can remain stood down so arbitration will eventually be needed to determine when the stand down no longer applies.
“The Company may deduct payments from the pay of an Australian based pilot for any day the pilot cannot be usefully employed because of any strike, stoppage or other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible...”
I have to disagree. If there aren’t enough bookings once borders are open, that’s a business / commercial problem.
Otherwise, why would ANY company ever pay VR / CR if they could just stand down the employee indefinitely?
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from the EBA:
“The Company may deduct payments from the pay of an Australian based pilot for any day the pilot cannot be usefully employed because of any strike, stoppage or other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible...”
I have to disagree. If there aren’t enough bookings once borders are open, that’s a business / commercial problem.
Otherwise, why would ANY company ever pay VR / CR if they could just stand down the employee indefinitely?
“The Company may deduct payments from the pay of an Australian based pilot for any day the pilot cannot be usefully employed because of any strike, stoppage or other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible...”
I have to disagree. If there aren’t enough bookings once borders are open, that’s a business / commercial problem.
Otherwise, why would ANY company ever pay VR / CR if they could just stand down the employee indefinitely?
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Some thoughts from a survivor of ‘89.
- Its bad . Very bad. Accept it . And deal with it.
- People under stress will say and do things under stress that they will regret for the rest of their lives.
Don’t be one of them.
- The worst possible outcome will be when you start eating your own.
- Circumstances like these are great revealers of character. Behave in a way that you can look back on with pride.
- This too will pass.
- Its bad . Very bad. Accept it . And deal with it.
- People under stress will say and do things under stress that they will regret for the rest of their lives.
Don’t be one of them.
- The worst possible outcome will be when you start eating your own.
- Circumstances like these are great revealers of character. Behave in a way that you can look back on with pride.
- This too will pass.
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I recommend you call AIPA legal for further clarification
