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It’s not based on whether you agree, or whether they intend to keep the fleet. The EBA is quite clear on when stand down can occur. FWA are pretty clear that in the case of an EBA covering a situation, they won’t interfere with it.
Union won’t need to do much, if anything. The EBA that was recently voted upon during this pandemic, stands.
Normanton, what QF would like to do, and what they can do, are very different things.
Won’t stop them trying to cut a deal to pull the wool over your eyes where they can though!
LH and SH EBAs are pretty tight - and not in QFs favour. Can’t speak for the other EBAs in the group.
Union won’t need to do much, if anything. The EBA that was recently voted upon during this pandemic, stands.
Normanton, what QF would like to do, and what they can do, are very different things.
Won’t stop them trying to cut a deal to pull the wool over your eyes where they can though!
LH and SH EBAs are pretty tight - and not in QFs favour. Can’t speak for the other EBAs in the group.
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As one of those staring at conceivably 3 years of stand-down I hope you're right, but one thing I am sure of is that Qantas demonstrated during the EA negotiations that they are far from a benevolent society. They will endeavour to keep us stood down as long as they can - by fair means or foul.
Thats because some of those ego driven sky gods amongst your A380 lot are total wank#rs and deserve what’s coming. Sadly, they might take the good guys down with them. Surely the government won’t keep giving these half a million dollar guys jobkeeper when there are so many others out there who are really finding it tough going and need the help. The gravy train is done and dusted!
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+1 for Ruvap on job keeper, means test on the way?
Anyone who thinks there will be some magic trigger or commercial epiphany forcing Qantas away from stand down provisions, is dreamin’. Covid effects will last for a long time and as was mentioned earlier by Ozbiggles, the greater good will trump the interests of the senior pilot cadre.
Fat guy in coat, 100% correct. I doubt that will go to far. Industrially difficult and potentially a very negative outcome.
Anyone who thinks there will be some magic trigger or commercial epiphany forcing Qantas away from stand down provisions, is dreamin’. Covid effects will last for a long time and as was mentioned earlier by Ozbiggles, the greater good will trump the interests of the senior pilot cadre.
Fat guy in coat, 100% correct. I doubt that will go to far. Industrially difficult and potentially a very negative outcome.
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Every fleet in every airline has wankers among them, but nobody deserves “what’s coming”....
I've been through it before and I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.
Disgraceful attitude guys. Those 'wank#rs' on the 380 gave you the conditions you now enjoy. I can scarcely believe such tripe comes from supposedly educated people.
I do find it amusing how, after spending the last 30 years denigrating SH pilots, and telling all and sundry how crap the 737 is, there are now demands (both privately and even publicly, I’m told) from A380 crew to be given the right to displace a 737 position.
For one, it’s not legal (can’t displace someone working under another agreement), this was established and settled during the 2014 RIN.
Secondly it’d be a massive expense to retrain all of your domestic pilots, and management have made it quite clear they want absolutely zero unnecessary expense.
It will never happen.
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Shorthaul has been denigrated for years, nothing new about that, so I don’t think there is any gain abusing others in this current plight, ironically now the 737 is the senior fleet at least for the next couple of years, am told there will be very little training from LH to Shorthaul as it costs far too much in the short to medium term anyway. There may be some training longish term as Domestic gets back to normal levels and attrition slowly reduces the SH crew numbers. Displacements between different awards? Lol that’s the funniest thing I’ve read for ages, it goes against everything the whole RIN process is legally blinded by, try and ask FWA about that fairytale request..
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I do find it amusing how, after spending the last 30 years denigrating SH pilots, and telling all and sundry how crap the 737 is, there are now demands (both privately and even publicly, I’m told) from A380 crew to be given the right to displace a 737 position.
hear hear.....The CEO is absolutely doing the right thing. Those senior A380/747 pilots only put a uniform on maybe 15 days every 56 day BP and for that they make a killing and still they complain. What they make in allowances alone would pay the mortgage for some of the battlers in society. There is no way they deserve any jobkeeper amount so that must be stopped ASAP!
hear hear.....The CEO is absolutely doing the right thing. Those senior A380/747 pilots only put a uniform on maybe 15 days every 56 day BP and for that they make a killing and still they complain. What they make in allowances alone would pay the mortgage for some of the battlers in society. There is no way they deserve any jobkeeper amount so that must be stopped ASAP!
What a goose you are, 15 days in 56 if only.
It doesn’t help when you have a senior LH captain call into a webinar and demand a slot on the 737, then out himself on qrewroom telling everyone that he’s just looking after number 1, and disputing that “luck of draw, or right place, right time” has anything to do with this industry. It was embarrassing and probably solidified the belief from most on the 737 of the arrogance and superiority the guys at the top feel they are entitled to. Looking after number 1 can work both ways, so I wouldn’t expect too many on the 737 to much sympathy.
In that case he is a goose who doesn’t understand his contract and wants to have his cake and eat it to and that’s not going to happen. You take the good with the bad.
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It doesn’t help when you have a senior LH captain call into a webinar and demand a slot on the 737, then out himself on qrewroom telling everyone that he’s just looking after number 1, and disputing that “luck of draw, or right place, right time” has anything to do with this industry. It was embarrassing and probably solidified the belief from most on the 737 of the arrogance and superiority the guys at the top feel they are entitled to. Looking after number 1 can work both ways, so I wouldn’t expect too many on the 737 to much sympathy.
Agreed!.....and to the moron above, let’s say a 10 day trip to EU is worth 55 hours, that’s 4 sectors or 4 days or 4 times to put your monkey suit on, so I would say, wearing a uniform on 15 occasions every 56 is no exaggeration, the rest of the time being spent as a paid tourist, and you still think you’re worth more!
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After all the good points you made in the Project Sunrise thread regarding sleep and hours worked, you go undo it all by criticising the LH award. The same award that you were holding up as the standard. Yes there are those amongst us who will make you shake your head, but don’t go tearing everything down because of a minority.
Not criticising the LH award, and we’d all be better off but for some of those on the A380 who think the sun shines out of their arses. We will all be better off with the grounding of the A380 and hopefully the gods will not be invited back.
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It’s not based on whether you agree, or whether they intend to keep the fleet. The EBA is quite clear on when stand down can occur. FWA are pretty clear that in the case of an EBA covering a situation, they won’t interfere with it.
Union won’t need to do much, if anything. The EBA that was recently voted upon during this pandemic, stands.
Normanton, what QF would like to do, and what they can do, are very different things.
Won’t stop them trying to cut a deal to pull the wool over your eyes where they can though!
LH and SH EBAs are pretty tight - and not in QFs favour. Can’t speak for the other EBAs in the group.
Union won’t need to do much, if anything. The EBA that was recently voted upon during this pandemic, stands.
Normanton, what QF would like to do, and what they can do, are very different things.
Won’t stop them trying to cut a deal to pull the wool over your eyes where they can though!
LH and SH EBAs are pretty tight - and not in QFs favour. Can’t speak for the other EBAs in the group.
You’re starting to sound unhinged.
Last edited by ruprecht; 30th Jun 2020 at 07:14.
Agreed!.....and to the moron above, let’s say a 10 day trip to EU is worth 55 hours, that’s 4 sectors or 4 days or 4 times to put your monkey suit on, so I would say, wearing a uniform on 15 occasions every 56 is no exaggeration, the rest of the time being spent as a paid tourist, and you still think you’re worth more!
Nunc est bibendum
Gee there are some right clowns on this forum. There are a number of A380 crew who are amongst the best people on this planet. No one deserves what is occurring at the moment, whether they’re a declared ‘nice person’ or one of Ruvap’s ‘Sky gods’.
