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Old 17th Jun 2020, 11:09
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QF can move costs around at will. It can justify 6 weeks leave a year per pilot as an expense. 6 weeks leave is cheaper than making guys CR and then the churn in training to backfill in the future. 1 seat change is 4-6 seat changes & 2-3 years of paying a pilots to be non productive.

When a suitable time presents, it’ll write the costs off. For instance it could hold the cost of the fleet higher and use that gap for wages, then write the fleet off at a later date.

The staff will be stood down until required. Natural attrition will sort out the numbers through retirements and medical retirements. I don’t even think there will be VR packages.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 11:29
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I’m sure the ATO will be happy to hear that is the plan.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 11:31
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The company and the association have said no decisions have been made. It is absolute rubbish. The management of those decisions are being explored but they have a strategy and just need the board to sign off on it.
Approaching DPA I’ve planned for a few different outcomes and contingencies. As I get there I say ‘go’ on the required option. This is the same in terms of looking at the company response to Covid. The significant difference being that there are multiple decision points along this COVID journey including ‘sit on your hands’. In the next week or so we reach one of them. There are more to come as more information comes in.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 12:20
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles
I’m sure the ATO will be happy to hear that is the plan.

Well 6 A380s parked up and written off at a future date at a convenient time should sort that out. 12 is golden.

You also saw something similar during the record loss. It was basically manufactured by holding the fleet value high and pumping the write offs into one FY. Plus a lot of waste was cut and here we are today.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 18:33
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-October.html
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 19:45
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Slightly off topic but
Approaching DPA I’ve planned for a few different outcomes and contingencies. As I get there I say ‘go’ on the required option. This is the same in terms of looking at the company response to Covid.
That is the easiest and simplest way of describing the purpose/ use of DPA I’ve heard. For some reason some pilots make DPA complex but that sums up its simplicity well.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 22:05
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I reckon all the A380’s are dead in the water, what a monumental waste of money those pieces of junk have been.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 22:15
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I reckon all the A380’s are dead in the water, what a monumental waste of money those pieces of junk have been.
In hindsight, yes. But back in the day they sure looked like the future of aviation. Too bad Airbus overpromised on reliability and efficiency, but that was only slightly predictable back then.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 23:40
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I think every Qf pilot would recall 777's were available....
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 23:42
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The border closures are going to have to remain until at least India and China are no longer out of control. The reason being that the pandemic is triggering massive migrations of those who can afford to escape to relative safety. We will simply be overwhelmed in Australia if we opened our borders any time soon.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 23:49
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Unless they are “students” of course. Then it’s open sesame.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 23:59
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The students will still be required to quarantine in a hotel at the University's expense and the cost of the flight will be covered by the student so not really open slather.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 00:06
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I’m sure the UK and USA and all other countries other than just the Asian ones were meant to be on that list..

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Old 18th Jun 2020, 00:31
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ANU vice-chancellor Brian Schmidt said while the students would need to be quarantined for two weeks in hotels — with costs divided between students, the universities and the ACT government…
Good to know the taxpayer is on the hook for this one
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 00:32
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QF if they are considering and have the Nuts for it could possibly make all long haul crews redundant pay them out and absorb the loss in future by reemploying as required on new lower paid contracts so in 5 to 10 years they are streaks ahead of leaving the status Quo .
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 00:53
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QF if they are considering and have the Nuts for it could possibly make all long haul crews redundant pay them out and absorb the loss in future by reemploying as required on new lower paid contracts so in 5 to 10 years they are streaks ahead of leaving the status Quo .
Nope. That’s not how it works. Qantas Pilots made redundant are re-employed on the same terms and conditions as they left. It would take a very significant challenge in court for Qantas to have the agreement cancelled for them to try that on. I’m not sure anyone has ever had success making their workforce redundant, apply to cancel the award that covers those employees redundancy and re-employment, and then re-hiring those same employees on lower terms and conditions.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 00:58
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If Qantas or Virgin are not doing all the student flights you have to ask why?


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Old 18th Jun 2020, 01:35
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The Government has shown throughout this crisis that they don’t give a sh1t about aviation in this country or the jobs associated with it. The cancellation of the minimum International network flown by Qantas and Virgin just one example. Now the Middle Eastern mobs are increasing capacity (running at a loss), but no more subsidies for any International flights flown by QF or VA.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 01:35
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Because other companies do it cheaper? If you try and enforce an Australian only airline then every other country will retaliate and then this thing continues on even longer that COVID. Would you go overseas if that country said you can only fly our airline or am I pitching this to high? If it was a government paid charter different story but the students will pay the airline bills. Simples

It is not the government paying the bills, it is the TAXPAYER. Everybody wants the taxpayer to pay their bills at the moment it seems. If you have kids they will be very old before they see the bill paid back for this. And what happens in the meantime if another black swan takes flight? Not everything can be saved including your job, welcome to the new reality.

Now I would have liked the government to bail out the airlines, but I understand it is what it is. Now again before people go off on their completely uneducated tangents the government has been paying jobkeeper to Qantas, VA, Rex etc and some support for domestic and international flights. I’d love to see more, but it is already a lot in terms of TAXPAYERS money. It is all going on a credit card, not from a savings account. Do we stop paying for hospitals because every pilot should keep his job?

Speaking as a pilot who lost his job because of Covid who doesn’t get Jobkeeper or jobseeker.

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Old 18th Jun 2020, 04:34
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Keg, I appreciate you are an elder statesman of Prune, but it is a new world. AIPA/AFAP contracts will be thrown out the window. AJ has grounded the airline and will do it again. I believe it is goodbye seniority, goodbye 4 engines. Adjust to the new world. IMHO, neither AIPA or AFAP will fight for seniority.
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