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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 09:57
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
Domestic at 20% ? Not sure what you are smoking WA , Vic , & Tas effectively closed , in/out of SA a couple of flights a day, NT effectively closed, yes maybe something
in Qld intra state. I think less than 4% , I am certainly not going to accept a figure because a senior manager at Aussie airline makes that claim. Would accept at face value
from ANZ , but for our boys I would need to see the raw data myself

Dr - suggesting that the change in quantum of domestic travel will be near enough to permanent. Large employers just aren't going to
allow their staff to travel for at least the next three years. The way people work in Aust has changed

Bitre data not out yet , June might have been 8% or so & we have gone down since then , most of the NBs getting around now
might have 20 or 30 pax

In terms of getting a large taxpayer cashy for moving HQ , QF look to their N & their S & they know they will never have this opportunity again they will
never have two greater wood ducks to milk. The Victorian will do it just for the publicity , get up shake his a$$e & start shrieking "look at me"

But the other flock of wood ducks that FF/loyalty preyed on will surely wake up now

Why can't QF have a CEO like the last few guys who have ran ANZ, home grown blokes , achieved success OS , laid back , casual no fuss ?

How's the plan to reopen International coming along ? Lots of babbling & big man talk - but no facts & no plan

I can't see how you open travel to USA, EU, SAfrica, SAmerica given the infection rates & issues you would having screening pax & issues you would have believing anything that local officials told you

Maybe Donald gets a bad rap the fatality rates in UK, Spain, France & Italy are similar too if not worse than USA unfortunately (just cursory glance UK looks
25% higher, wrong there Spain gets the gold , USA/Italy/UK call it dead heat, Frenchie get the bronze 20% off the pace)

Interesting how his highness emerges whenever I make a post - he is the main man after all

The Earl of PPRuNe ,he does wonderful talkies
Lots of words.....Lots of dribble.

I guess you have to be employed by QF to be privy to internal news.

Or maybe just watch the national news. Great development in border openings. signs of things to come.

Thanks for the laugh nonetheless but I’ll be joining majority and placing you on the ignore list

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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 15:59
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Originally Posted by Fujiroll76 View Post
Or maybe just watch the national news. Great development in border openings. signs of things to come.
It is a good development. But QLD-ACT and SA-NSW weren't exactly the two biggest markets beforehand. I have a suspicion a lot of travel, especially business travel, will be on hold until travel is unrestricted nationwide, as a sign that the pandemic has subsided internally, which will restore consumer confidence and confidence to travel. So when Victoria gets it's situation under control, which it is doing, that can be achieved. Even the strictest Premier in WA, just yesterday said Victoria getting their situation under control means a WA border re-opening date can start to be considered.

So Domestically we may be back on track to be open again by latest early next year?
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 18:53
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
It is a good development. But QLD-ACT and SA-NSW weren't exactly the two biggest markets beforehand. I have a suspicion a lot of travel, especially business travel, will be on hold until travel is unrestricted nationwide, as a sign that the pandemic has subsided internally, which will restore consumer confidence and confidence to travel. So when Victoria gets it's situation under control, which it is doing, that can be achieved. Even the strictest Premier in WA, just yesterday said Victoria getting their situation under control means a WA border re-opening date can start to be considered.

So Domestically we may be back on track to be open again by latest early next year?
The problem with this is no state can define “what’s under control” just like what is a hot spot or what causes a border to open an shut.

SA said they would open Wednesday if there is no transmission in NSW What is not know what if there is a community transmission Saturday?!
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 21:19
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So Domestically we may be back on track to be open again by latest early next year?
There is no way to predict a ‘latest.’ One new Melbourne style outbreak and we’re back to square one.
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 22:39
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One new Melbourne style outbreak and we’re back to square one
I doubt it will go back this far. Better contact tracing and early managing of COVID clusters or hotspots should avoid the need for mass border closures again. Even Chairman Dan probably recognises this.

Also, bear in mind the QLD and WA border closures were more related to state elections than COVID. Politicians can't help themselves and won't waste a good crisis if it advances the chances of re-election. But these elections will be done and dusted by March 2021. There will be much more pressure on the WA Premier if he finds that everyone else is open.

My hope would be that by December, border restrictions along the east states would allow at least a 50% domestic service.

International services - that's a much more long term process.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 03:10
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Yes going from 5 % to 50 % in a couple of months is an entirely realistic possibility

It is really on the cards after watching what has happened to the Euros after they took seaside frolics & just put
Covid out of their minds for six weeks. Let's all go travelling see our friends and have some fun down at the seaside

Someone from before said if fifo included would be at 20% now, not correct fifo is about 4% of load

The detachment from reality in this country is beyond words , the Victorian was up singing & dancing last week boasting
how he just sent "teams to NSW" to study their contact tracing teams etc, he was howling out loud "look at me" , " look at me"
(big boaster this fella: also rabbiting on about his chats to CEO of QF about relocation of HQ & all that commercial/business experience from his background in Socialist Left)

I thought the time to do this would have been six months ago, this is the same person who had mandatory "diversity" training by DHS for hotel security
staff, no "infection control" training required

Would you open your borders to this bloke ?

Victoria is gone for a decade & good chance he will take the Country down with him

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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 03:23
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The detachment from reality in this country is beyond words
The detachment from reality in this thread is beyond a joke. Someone said >20% WTF?

Last week, SYD-BNE around 1900L. Qatar ahead of us on departure heading west, then not another aircraft on CTR frequencies until BNE approach. Not one. I radio checked to see that it wasn't finger trouble from me....

Right now its 1320L. SYD airport arrivals showing 22 domestic arrivals for the rest of the day. 8 interstate jets, the rest Rex/Qlink etc.

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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 04:40
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
The detachment from reality in this thread is beyond a joke. Someone said >20% WTF?

Last week, SYD-BNE around 1900L. Qatar ahead of us on departure heading west, then not another aircraft on CTR frequencies until BNE approach. Not one. I radio checked to see that it wasn't finger trouble from me....

Right now its 1320L. SYD airport arrivals showing 22 domestic arrivals for the rest of the day. 8 interstate jets, the rest Rex/Qlink etc.
Do some research on actual numbers instead of trying to justify your point with a check in with centre due to the airspace being quiet.

Hope this helps, come back to me when ready.
https://www.qantas.com/au/en/travel-...k-changes.html

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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 05:20
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And the relevance of QFs planned schedule for next month (with a disclaimer about being subject to border openings) helps your argument how?
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 05:31
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The detachment from reality in this thread is beyond a joke. Someone said >20% WTF?

Last week, SYD-BNE around 1900L. Qatar ahead of us on departure heading west, then not another aircraft on CTR frequencies until BNE approach. Not one. I radio checked to see that it wasn't finger trouble from me....

Right now its 1320L. SYD airport arrivals showing 22 domestic arrivals for the rest of the day. 8 interstate jets, the rest Rex/Qlink etc.
Domestic market is more than the East Coast. WA still going gangbusters.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 07:01
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Domestic market is more than the East Coast. WA still going gangbusters.
I'm still flying in and out of YPPH regularly; Busier than east coast for sure, but gangbusters is hardly the word I'd use.
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I'm still flying in and out of YPPH regularly; Busier than east coast for sure, but gangbusters is hardly the word I'd use.
I counted 112 departures Ex YPPH today not including international. Plenty of full FIFO etc. The word
gangbusters
certainly an appropriate aphorism to describe WA aviation ATM. The Aus aviation scene is much wider than a SYD centric / East Coast myopic view.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 11:19
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FIFO is just people going to work & people go to work by car , bus , train , & sometimes aircraft & helicopter or bicycle

Sure it is great that the resources industry is still going but FIFO pax is a meaningless number , the numbers that matter are RPT pax & RPT psk, and June said 380k down from 5000 k previous June

Sure it is great that pilots/maintainers etc etc still have a reasonable amount of work in the West, just don't get the Victorian giving you advices on contact tracing & hotel quarantine

I would think in WA right now maybe 400/500 international arrivals and 300/400 interstate per week , where does that take WA back to 1930s or 20s

The resource guys (especially BHP) are starting to mandate that if FIFO to a facility in state X you must reside in state X, so the end of interstate & international FIFO
, so that is a permanent hit to RPT which won't come back. Okay maybe only a very small % of pre-Covid loads, but it all adds up & much more impact in a smaller post Covid environment
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 11:44
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Ffs you're a spud

FIFO is business. Its flying. Plain and ******* simple.

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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 11:49
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The resource guys (especially BHP) are starting to mandate that if FIFO to a facility in state X you must reside in state X, so the end of interstate & international FIFO
, so that is a permanent hit to RPT which won't come back. Okay maybe only a very small % of pre-Covid loads, but it all adds up & much more impact in a smaller post Covid environment
That will never happen long term. No mining company will ever lock itself into a state based labour force. They hire labour from all over Australia and the world to keep the price of the labour down. They will never as a long term strategy insist that the labour has to live in one location. That is just asking for wage inflation. As soon as borders are open and we have something resembling interstate RPT FIFO will be back.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 11:55
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
FIFO is just people going to work & people go to work by car , bus , train , & sometimes aircraft & helicopter or bicycle

Sure it is great that the resources industry is still going but FIFO pax is a meaningless number , the numbers that matter are RPT pax & RPT psk, and June said 380k down from 5000 k previous June
If you only knew the money to be made in resource industry flying mate you wouldn't be making that comment......

The resource guys (especially BHP) are starting to mandate that if FIFO to a facility in state X you must reside in state X, so the end of interstate & international FIFO
, so that is a permanent hit to RPT which won't come back. Okay maybe only a very small % of pre-Covid loads, but it all adds up & much more impact in a smaller post Covid environment
As has been explained before that's temporary whilst the border restrictions in force. Once the border restrictions are removed it would be unconstitutional under s117 to require that condition of employment, under the same principle that you can't deny employment in Coolangatta, Qld to some who resides a 2 min drive away in Tweed Heads, NSW.

Why are there so many trolls here who repeat this debunked nonsense to get a rise out of people at such a time?
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 11:57
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Your missing the point , FIFO numbers stay the same so we can do what we do best - sell rocks to other people

The pax numbers to the point of departure decrease as no more transcon FIFO anymore - so the story is a net loss

Have a look at the adverts on seek for FIFO workers, all contractors now insisting you reside "in-state" (breaching the Constitution , like who cares ? ,
the States/Territories have been doing that from first day of Covid - Feds haven't acted for I would guess a number of reasons)

You have to start seeing what has already & will happen - Covid has made structural changes to "how" people will work & that is going to significantly effect pax numbers

& I'm not aware of the numbers re: $$ for FIFO , I am sure they are significant. But let me ask you this , what do you think the margin would be ? - 20% at maximum ?
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 12:14
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Your missing the point , FIFO numbers stay the same so we can do what we do best - sell rocks to other people
No you are assuming that a short term solution will be permanent. It won't be because it is expensive. Nothing gets a mining company's attention more than expensive labour or monopolistic practices by a contractor. I have seen it happen!!
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 12:16
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
The pax numbers to the point of departure decrease as no more transcon FIFO anymore - so the story is a net loss

Have a look at the adverts on seek for FIFO workers, all contractors now insisting you reside "in-state" (breaching the Constitution , like who cares ? ,
the States/Territories have been doing that from first day of Covid - Feds haven't acted for I would guess a number of reasons)
For the legally non aware (ie Telfer86) here's an article explaining the law:

Is it illegal under the constitution for a state to close its borders to other Australians?

The mining companies are requiring their workers in WA to be based in WA for the duration of this pandemic/border closures as otherwise they would be paying for a interstate worker's temporary accommodation costs for the duration of the emergency. That's because they aren't being allowed into the state for the duration of this emergency, as explained in the article.

Once the border restrictions are over as a consequence of the emergency being over then s117 kicks in and denying interstate workers the right to live where they want to is illegal. Employers can insist all they want but they can't require it.

That's called using facts from people who know what they're talking about to back up your argument Telfer, please try doing it instead of posting fearmongering rubbish to scare people.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 12:29
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I still can’t get passed the arrogance of McGowan claiming this ‘in state ‘ workforce.

eg: I work fifo from say , sydney . I’m now experienced at blowing things up and get a new gig which is subject to this requirement.

Worker takes job. Moves family to Perth. Worker still gets on a plane and flies to site for his swing. Family left in perth now with no support network, friends etc.

So the worker still fifos but the family suffers.

Apologies for drift.

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