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Old 15th Sep 2020, 06:21
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Virgin got $200M to keep their office in Brisbane.

Alan is just wondering where his $200M is.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 06:32
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AFR @ https://www.afr.com/companies/transp...0200915-p55vsz

SMH @ https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...15-p55vv6.html

Simon Hickey (ex QF) to roll out the red carpet...

This will be interesting. They'll need to factor in the cost of people relocation too... It would want to be a tangible incentive to move state. WS seems more likely with JQ relocation expense.

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Old 15th Sep 2020, 07:03
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Didnít QF just a few years ago have a risk assessment done of their Sydney operations? Wasnít the result a decentralisation of operations so that no one localised event would effectively shut the airline down?
Now they want to put everything back together again?
Anyway todayís announcement good PR for no cost.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 07:52
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Didnít QF just a few years ago have a risk assessment done of their Sydney operations? Wasnít the result a decentralisation of operations so that no one localised event would effectively shut the airline down?
Now they want to put everything back together again?
Anyway todayís announcement good PR for no cost.
I think COVID has taught them you can run an airline from home... So if the "one site" was offline for a period of time which it has been already this year - you have BC plan to work from home as long as you have access to the data and systems which would not be "one site"
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 08:02
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I think COVID has taught them you can run an airline from home... So if the "one site" was offline for a period of time which it has been already this year - you have BC plan to work from home as long as you have access to the data and systems which would not be "one site"
Same can be said for a lot of other big businesses that will do zoom instead of hopping up front of an aircraft.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 08:46
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Was interesting to listen to a podcast on Australian Aviation a talkative fellow who said he had something to do with AIPA
was espousing their brilliance getting both pilot agreements done. Think it must have been the worst ever deal, airline was already
shut down, redundancies almost certain & AIPA let a deal go through where redundant pilots at best might find themselves on year 1 of current scale
, at worst year 1 of B scale upon re-employment. That could easily be a seven figure decrease to career earnings, was just missed completely

Still pushing party line, - surplus of 220 only (why is that the magic number , there is no international), & trying to get PilotKeeper approved where he
believes QF group pilots will get wage top up by Fed Govt . Very interesting ideas
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 08:50
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I assume they would build in Williams Landing in Melbourne, or take over Targetís new office who are looking at leasing it to someone else.

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Old 15th Sep 2020, 08:58
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Originally Posted by Derfred View Post
Virgin got $200M to keep their office in Brisbane.

Alan is just wondering where his $200M is.
Dandrews has plenty on his plate as is but has found time to sharpen his pencil for a Qantas handout. He should be more worried about keeping the jobs that are already in Melbourne.

The furthest the HQ would move is circular quay.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 08:59
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Telfer86 Yeah not as interesting as your obsession with what Scale someone else gets paid.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 09:20
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Yes Telfer, it's all the fault of Aipa, they should have seen this whole situation all along. I would be happy with CR and start back on the lower scale, it's better than the work I am doing now to keep a roof over my head and my two kids fed. Then again, we really should have all voted down that EBA and put you in charge of negotiations. We would be in a much better position now. Looking forward to your nomination to work on the union.

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Old 15th Sep 2020, 09:35
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Think it must have been the worst ever deal
Oh yeah, getting a 6% pay rise in the current environment is the Ďworst deal everí

The downside you refer to would only occur IF there are pilots made compulsory redundant and IF Qantas order the A350 before they return. According to Qantas, for the time being, both of those things arenít happening.

The only thing that is certain is when a pilot does fly or does use leave they will be paid 6% more than before AIPA signed the Ďworst deal everí.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 10:33
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Not correct it's not "if & if" its back to year 1 regardless the only variable is current scale or new B scale which got voted up after shutdown

People seem to get very agitated & defensive about this , I just thought it was a very big blunder, voting in a B scale when a global pandemic
had been declared & international airlines shutdown

At least I don't have an obsession on numbers of flight crew turning 65 & pressuring them to retire. Likely a lot of senior LH will move to SH if any vacancies advertised

What size & shape do people think QF will be in a few years, especially international ? What will the plan be ?

Where do you see QF flying to OS say 12 months from now ? & what do you think the airfares will be ?
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 10:33
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Let it goTelfer, or just go away, you are just embarrassing yourself here, if I get CR'd, I would rather be first year A350/ B787 pay than earning $20 an hour stacking shelves.
188 are taking VR, 260 are on LWOP, yet you keep banging about 220 and something that even hasn't happened yet. Jog on...
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 10:36
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The ‘ignore list’ is awesome. You never have to read Telfer’s rantings again!
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 10:40
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Maybe you would for six months after re-employment , but think most would be whinging very quickly when they saw the other SO next to them
who just dodged CR getting paid at least 50% more

Was more interested in where people saw the airline a couple of years out from here & where airfares will be at
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 10:50
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Maybe you would for six months after re-employment , but think most would be whinging very quickly when they saw the other SO next to them
who just dodged CR getting paid at least 50% more

Was more interested in where people saw the airline a couple of years out from here & where airfares will be at
The only thing you are interested in is spreading FUD.
You need to pick up the phone and ring AIPA, but you won't, because you are probably not a member, happy to save your 0.88% and chuck rocks at those who volunteer to give their time to better YOUR entitlements.
Get over mate, read up and see how little people give a toss about YOUR obsession.
PS: You are now on my ignore list
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 11:23
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Telfer, Is it clear to you yet no one seem to give a rats-arse of your ramblings.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 11:27
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Norm is back under a different handle I suspect. My remotely possibe pay cut Telfer is offset by the CR payout in my case, hence I made the decision I did. If your CR payout wouldn't offset the risks, then glad you made the decision you did. Just stop blaming everyone else. Is it a great choice for anyone? No. We all want what we had.

If at worst I have to come back on a lower pay scale, then so be it. Still beats what I am doing now. I am flogging myself just to put food on the table for my kids. Should I join you and spend my precious remaining free time on here apportioning blame for my predicament?

This whole scenario is a mess, nobody saw it coming.

The best lesson to learn is that life isn't fair. Adapt and survive.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 21:26
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The lower rates would only apply to SOs and itís very unlikely that Telfer is correct. Qantas are running out of threats.
Heís a company mole or most likely some pilot hating HR tool. Always surprises me why people who hate pilots so much do such a job.
AIPA and itís pilotís have a signed and sealed EBA. One that was authorised by fair work DURING the pandemic at the insistence of Qantas as Telfer suggests. Look at the TWU ground staff or Jetstar pilots that donít have an EBA locked in.
Telfer is annoyed that it is signed and sealed and canít be f&$#@ed with unless pilots are stupid enough to open it up and get shafted.
Itís unlikely that pilots agree to a variation. I think a team of Qantas lawyers will look to take advantage of pilots if they are silly enough to
open an EBA. Ask any decent lawyer and they will tell you not to open up or vary an EA in this environment.
If pilots agree to a variation by opening the EBA and Qantas end up legally shafting everyone, then Telfer will be calling everyone an idiot for not seeing it coming.
On this Issue we will find ourselves in agreement. You canít have it both ways champ.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 23:26
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Don't worry Ducksnuts, I'm still here - just been busy working!

Is 260 on LWOP enough? I hope so, but according to the departed Tino it's not. No vaccine found in the next 6-12 months will probably result in Allan doing another 'fleet review'. That's when shit will hit the fan for redundancy's.

The VR/ER lawsuit appears to be a problem. If those pilots who can't let go of the golden goose turn out to be successful Qantas may just pull the pin on the entire operation. "We looked at VR as per the EBA requirements. Sorry it didn't work out, we are now commencing CR".

I remember Tino saying in a webinar that if Qantas got desperate they have a lot of commercial real estate and offices they can juggle. Yesterdays news from Venessa shows just how bad the situation is becoming. I'm sure Allan just wants a $200m slice of the pie from the QLD government.
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