QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 390
Didn’t QF just a few years ago have a risk assessment done of their Sydney operations? Wasn’t the result a decentralisation of operations so that no one localised event would effectively shut the airline down?
Now they want to put everything back together again?
Anyway today’s announcement good PR for no cost.
Now they want to put everything back together again?
Anyway today’s announcement good PR for no cost.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 177
Originally Posted by Wingspar
Didn’t QF just a few years ago have a risk assessment done of their Sydney operations? Wasn’t the result a decentralisation of operations so that no one localised event would effectively shut the airline down?
Now they want to put everything back together again?
Anyway today’s announcement good PR for no cost.
Now they want to put everything back together again?
Anyway today’s announcement good PR for no cost.
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: MCG
Posts: 0
Originally Posted by ANstar
I think COVID has taught them you can run an airline from home... So if the "one site" was offline for a period of time which it has been already this year - you have BC plan to work from home as long as you have access to the data and systems which would not be "one site"
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Sydney
Age: 40
Posts: 112
Was interesting to listen to a podcast on Australian Aviation a talkative fellow who said he had something to do with AIPA
was espousing their brilliance getting both pilot agreements done. Think it must have been the worst ever deal, airline was already
shut down, redundancies almost certain & AIPA let a deal go through where redundant pilots at best might find themselves on year 1 of current scale
, at worst year 1 of B scale upon re-employment. That could easily be a seven figure decrease to career earnings, was just missed completely
Still pushing party line, - surplus of 220 only (why is that the magic number , there is no international), & trying to get PilotKeeper approved where he
believes QF group pilots will get wage top up by Fed Govt . Very interesting ideas
was espousing their brilliance getting both pilot agreements done. Think it must have been the worst ever deal, airline was already
shut down, redundancies almost certain & AIPA let a deal go through where redundant pilots at best might find themselves on year 1 of current scale
, at worst year 1 of B scale upon re-employment. That could easily be a seven figure decrease to career earnings, was just missed completely
Still pushing party line, - surplus of 220 only (why is that the magic number , there is no international), & trying to get PilotKeeper approved where he
believes QF group pilots will get wage top up by Fed Govt . Very interesting ideas
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Dunda
Posts: 147
Originally Posted by Derfred
Virgin got $200M to keep their office in Brisbane.
Alan is just wondering where his $200M is.
Alan is just wondering where his $200M is.
The furthest the HQ would move is circular quay.
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: East Coast
Posts: 6
Yes Telfer, it's all the fault of Aipa, they should have seen this whole situation all along. I would be happy with CR and start back on the lower scale, it's better than the work I am doing now to keep a roof over my head and my two kids fed. Then again, we really should have all voted down that EBA and put you in charge of negotiations. We would be in a much better position now. Looking forward to your nomination to work on the union.
Last edited by Ducksnuts; 15th Sep 2020 at 11:14.
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Australia
Posts: 482
Think it must have been the worst ever deal
The downside you refer to would only occur IF there are pilots made compulsory redundant and IF Qantas order the A350 before they return. According to Qantas, for the time being, both of those things aren’t happening.
The only thing that is certain is when a pilot does fly or does use leave they will be paid 6% more than before AIPA signed the ‘worst deal ever’.
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Sydney
Age: 40
Posts: 112
Not correct it's not "if & if" its back to year 1 regardless the only variable is current scale or new B scale which got voted up after shutdown
People seem to get very agitated & defensive about this , I just thought it was a very big blunder, voting in a B scale when a global pandemic
had been declared & international airlines shutdown
At least I don't have an obsession on numbers of flight crew turning 65 & pressuring them to retire. Likely a lot of senior LH will move to SH if any vacancies advertised
What size & shape do people think QF will be in a few years, especially international ? What will the plan be ?
Where do you see QF flying to OS say 12 months from now ? & what do you think the airfares will be ?
People seem to get very agitated & defensive about this , I just thought it was a very big blunder, voting in a B scale when a global pandemic
had been declared & international airlines shutdown
At least I don't have an obsession on numbers of flight crew turning 65 & pressuring them to retire. Likely a lot of senior LH will move to SH if any vacancies advertised
What size & shape do people think QF will be in a few years, especially international ? What will the plan be ?
Where do you see QF flying to OS say 12 months from now ? & what do you think the airfares will be ?
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Wellington
Posts: 228
Let it goTelfer, or just go away, you are just embarrassing yourself here, if I get CR'd, I would rather be first year A350/ B787 pay than earning $20 an hour stacking shelves.
188 are taking VR, 260 are on LWOP, yet you keep banging about 220 and something that even hasn't happened yet. Jog on...
188 are taking VR, 260 are on LWOP, yet you keep banging about 220 and something that even hasn't happened yet. Jog on...
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Sydney
Age: 40
Posts: 112
Maybe you would for six months after re-employment , but think most would be whinging very quickly when they saw the other SO next to them
who just dodged CR getting paid at least 50% more
Was more interested in where people saw the airline a couple of years out from here & where airfares will be at
who just dodged CR getting paid at least 50% more
Was more interested in where people saw the airline a couple of years out from here & where airfares will be at
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Wellington
Posts: 228
Originally Posted by Telfer86
Maybe you would for six months after re-employment , but think most would be whinging very quickly when they saw the other SO next to them
who just dodged CR getting paid at least 50% more
Was more interested in where people saw the airline a couple of years out from here & where airfares will be at
who just dodged CR getting paid at least 50% more
Was more interested in where people saw the airline a couple of years out from here & where airfares will be at
You need to pick up the phone and ring AIPA, but you won't, because you are probably not a member, happy to save your 0.88% and chuck rocks at those who volunteer to give their time to better YOUR entitlements.
Get over mate, read up and see how little people give a toss about YOUR obsession.
PS: You are now on my ignore list
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: East Coast
Posts: 6
Norm is back under a different handle I suspect. My remotely possibe pay cut Telfer is offset by the CR payout in my case, hence I made the decision I did. If your CR payout wouldn't offset the risks, then glad you made the decision you did. Just stop blaming everyone else. Is it a great choice for anyone? No. We all want what we had.
If at worst I have to come back on a lower pay scale, then so be it. Still beats what I am doing now. I am flogging myself just to put food on the table for my kids. Should I join you and spend my precious remaining free time on here apportioning blame for my predicament?
This whole scenario is a mess, nobody saw it coming.
The best lesson to learn is that life isn't fair. Adapt and survive.
If at worst I have to come back on a lower pay scale, then so be it. Still beats what I am doing now. I am flogging myself just to put food on the table for my kids. Should I join you and spend my precious remaining free time on here apportioning blame for my predicament?
This whole scenario is a mess, nobody saw it coming.
The best lesson to learn is that life isn't fair. Adapt and survive.
Join Date: May 2018
Location: The street
Posts: 72
The lower rates would only apply to SOs and it’s very unlikely that Telfer is correct. Qantas are running out of threats.
He’s a company mole or most likely some pilot hating HR tool. Always surprises me why people who hate pilots so much do such a job.
AIPA and it’s pilot’s have a signed and sealed EBA. One that was authorised by fair work DURING the pandemic at the insistence of Qantas as Telfer suggests. Look at the TWU ground staff or Jetstar pilots that don’t have an EBA locked in.
Telfer is annoyed that it is signed and sealed and can’t be f&$#@ed with unless pilots are stupid enough to open it up and get shafted.
It’s unlikely that pilots agree to a variation. I think a team of Qantas lawyers will look to take advantage of pilots if they are silly enough to
open an EBA. Ask any decent lawyer and they will tell you not to open up or vary an EA in this environment.
If pilots agree to a variation by opening the EBA and Qantas end up legally shafting everyone, then Telfer will be calling everyone an idiot for not seeing it coming.
On this Issue we will find ourselves in agreement. You can’t have it both ways champ.
He’s a company mole or most likely some pilot hating HR tool. Always surprises me why people who hate pilots so much do such a job.
AIPA and it’s pilot’s have a signed and sealed EBA. One that was authorised by fair work DURING the pandemic at the insistence of Qantas as Telfer suggests. Look at the TWU ground staff or Jetstar pilots that don’t have an EBA locked in.
Telfer is annoyed that it is signed and sealed and can’t be f&$#@ed with unless pilots are stupid enough to open it up and get shafted.
It’s unlikely that pilots agree to a variation. I think a team of Qantas lawyers will look to take advantage of pilots if they are silly enough to
open an EBA. Ask any decent lawyer and they will tell you not to open up or vary an EA in this environment.
If pilots agree to a variation by opening the EBA and Qantas end up legally shafting everyone, then Telfer will be calling everyone an idiot for not seeing it coming.
On this Issue we will find ourselves in agreement. You can’t have it both ways champ.
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sydney
Age: 38
Posts: 483
Don't worry Ducksnuts, I'm still here - just been busy working!
Is 260 on LWOP enough? I hope so, but according to the departed Tino it's not. No vaccine found in the next 6-12 months will probably result in Allan doing another 'fleet review'. That's when shit will hit the fan for redundancy's.
The VR/ER lawsuit appears to be a problem. If those pilots who can't let go of the golden goose turn out to be successful Qantas may just pull the pin on the entire operation. "We looked at VR as per the EBA requirements. Sorry it didn't work out, we are now commencing CR".
I remember Tino saying in a webinar that if Qantas got desperate they have a lot of commercial real estate and offices they can juggle. Yesterdays news from Venessa shows just how bad the situation is becoming. I'm sure Allan just wants a $200m slice of the pie from the QLD government.
Is 260 on LWOP enough? I hope so, but according to the departed Tino it's not. No vaccine found in the next 6-12 months will probably result in Allan doing another 'fleet review'. That's when shit will hit the fan for redundancy's.
The VR/ER lawsuit appears to be a problem. If those pilots who can't let go of the golden goose turn out to be successful Qantas may just pull the pin on the entire operation. "We looked at VR as per the EBA requirements. Sorry it didn't work out, we are now commencing CR".
I remember Tino saying in a webinar that if Qantas got desperate they have a lot of commercial real estate and offices they can juggle. Yesterdays news from Venessa shows just how bad the situation is becoming. I'm sure Allan just wants a $200m slice of the pie from the QLD government.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Syd, NSW
Posts: 370
The narrative is changing
Additionally, chatter indicating 180 day recency issues and promised “stand up” in turn being re-evaluated highlighted on Qrewroom.
There is also a good chance that several of the aircraft type, such as the A380s won’t have much (if any) place in the post-COVID Qantas line up. It would be unsurprising to see a larger number of international pilots made redundant before the airline resumes normal services.
And Joyce is no stranger to playing industrial relations hardball. He did so in order to get a 30 per cent productivity lift when introducing direct flights from Perth to London and again on the Sunrise project to fly direct from Sydney and Melbourne to London, Paris and New York.
And Joyce is no stranger to playing industrial relations hardball. He did so in order to get a 30 per cent productivity lift when introducing direct flights from Perth to London and again on the Sunrise project to fly direct from Sydney and Melbourne to London, Paris and New York.
