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Old 28th Aug 2020, 02:39
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We would want at least 80% of our population vaccinated before we open our borders, so yeah that sounds about right.
Or states may allow individuals to cross their border once they can prove they've had their vaccination. No jab, no fly?
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 02:48
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And if there is no vaccination which is a more likely outcome then what?
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 02:56
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
We would want at least 80% of our population vaccinated before we open our borders, so yeah that sounds about right.
Could you please post the piece of public health information that backs up that claim?
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 13:30
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
And I feel your pain, I mean that. I'll step out, goodluck to you.

P.S our very own sitting health minister made reference to the Industrial Court tonight on telly, so I'm not alone in being a bit behind the times. At least I'm retired and been away from it in a while.
Xeptu I took your post to mean that you were leaving this thread and allowing ACTUAL Qantas Pilots to discuss and debate.

Your scare mongering, posturing and overall fear campaign is better suited on Mark McGowanís Facebook page with the rest of the petrified West Australians who think open borders and COVID is a death sentence for our country. Itís not! The alternative option of keeping everything closed up is the surest way to ruin our otherwise prosperous nation.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 13:58
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Whether you like or not , agree with it or disagree , it just doesn't matter (unless of course you get politically organised/active & lobby & campaign)

The Aussie Govts are going to take an extremely cautious & conservative approach, & it is going down a treat with the local
punters telling NSW & Vict where to go

Domestic is going at maybe 2 or 3% and it is unlikely given what the leaders of WA, SA , Qld , NT say that
borders will open this year. They want to see two 14 day cycles of zero transmission in Vic & NSW & that hasn't occurred yet since Covid landed

Domestic "might" start in 2021 - not what we want to hear , but people need to know what the likely reality is

How QF can "map" & plan it's future LH work force with any precision - well they just can't it is guesswork

Murphy said a couple of months ago when he was in front of a Senate Committee when asked about international travel starting
"well I just can't see any road map" , I wonder what he would say today ?

It's guys like him that will be making the decisions on when international resumes not anyone from QF, the politicians are just doing
what the medical experts tell them (regarding international anyway, Qld "I think" , the other guys well .........nobody is going to change McGowan )


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Old 28th Aug 2020, 14:45
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
the politicians are just doing what the medical experts tell them
Iím pretty certain thatís not true any more.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 15:12
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Iíd like to see ScoMo stop Federal funding of infrastructure projects in states like WA and QLD. McGowan and Palazchook will then have fo create their own jobs with closed up economies and the end of JobKeeper. Should last about a fortnight before we have normal programming resume.

Then once state borders open and the public sees that the world isnít ending, international borders will follow 3-6 months after.

Closing up shop and waiting for a vaccine is a stupid idea that will end in heartbreak and many millions out of work.

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Old 28th Aug 2020, 16:20
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
I’d like to see ScoMo stop Federal funding of infrastructure projects in states like WA and QLD. McGowan and Palazchook will then have fo create their own jobs with closed up economies and the end of JobKeeper. Should last about a fortnight before we have normal programming resume.
That's not going to happen. Morrison backed Palmer's legal challenge up until the point he got slammed for it in WA and then changed his position. You think voters in WA or Qld will support him if he threatens to cut off infrastructure spending? Too many marginal electorates in those states he can't afford to lose.

Now this matter does affect our livelihoods, but the border restrictions for people in states where they are strict are insanely popular, for workers outside of industries that rely on cross border movement. I spoken to many people outside of aviation recently (the majority of the public), and whilst they are quite sympathetic to those who are not working at the moment they are also quite supportive of restrictions, regardless of political leaning. The NT Government was just returned to power despite quarantine restrictions from the two largest cities that have adversely affected their large tourism industry. No government would go against such strong feeling on a major issue.

I think the ending of border restrictions will be more down to the ending of widespread community transmission in other states, and less sensationalist reporting of this issue in the media.

Then once state borders open and the public sees that the world isn’t ending, international borders will follow 3-6 months after.
I'm not so sure, whilst I think numbers will come back after a period of time, don't forget passengers numbers dropped off when people got scared of the virus, before states closed borders. Opening borders will help with return to normal but the main return will come when the public is satisfied the risks have decreased.

Closing up shop and waiting for a vaccine is a stupid idea that will end in heartbreak and many millions out of work.
Yes. But there is still a pandemic underway. It does have to be dealt with and the public satisfied it has been dealt with before an environment friendly to normal levels of travel return.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 22:24
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Maybe Morrison can satisfy the publics concern by fixing the broken aged care system he presides over & consistently does nothing about,look at where 90 to 100% of the deaths are coming from every day.
People on other forums are happy to state baggage handlers are overpaid but just maybe if the casualised workforce in the aged care system were at least respected & paid a decent hourly rate we wouldnt be reporting the deaths are every day.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 22:24
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
That's not going to happen. Morrison backed Palmer's legal challenge up until the point he got slammed for it in WA and then changed his position. You think voters in WA or Qld will support him if he threatens to cut off infrastructure spending? Too many marginal electorates in those states he can't afford to lose.
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it will happen once the economy is completely killed off
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 22:33
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Maybe Morrison can satisfy the publics concern by fixing the broken aged care system he presides over & consistently does nothing about,look at where 90 to 100% of the deaths are coming from every day.
People on other forums are happy to state baggage handlers are overpaid but just maybe if the casualised workforce in the aged care system were at least respected & paid a decent hourly rate we wouldnt be reporting the deaths are every day.
A few years back I was prohibited from seeing my Nan in her aged care facility because they had a flu going around (or gastro bug.... canít remember which). Those sorts of facilities have semi-regular Ďlockdownsí with restricted visitor numbers and increased health protocols to protect people.

So if the aged care system is Ďbrokení why are we only seeing the catastrophic death statistics in just one state? NSW seems to have sorted out the issues once they worked out what was going on at Newmarch. It took a galactic level of stupidity in Victoria for so many aged care homes to be infected.


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Old 28th Aug 2020, 22:47
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post

but the border restrictions for people in states where they are strict are insanely popular, for workers outside of industries that rely on cross border movement. I spoken to many people outside of aviation recently (the majority of the public), and whilst they are quite sympathetic to those who are not working at the moment they are also quite supportive of restrictions, regardless of political leaning. The NT Government was just returned to power despite quarantine restrictions from the two largest cities that have adversely affected their large tourism industry. No government would go against such strong feeling on a major issue.

I think the ending of border restrictions will be more down to the ending of widespread community transmission in other states, and less sensationalist reporting of this issue in the media.



I'm not so sure, whilst I think numbers will come back after a period of time, don't forget passengers numbers dropped off when people got scared of the virus, before states closed borders. Opening borders will help with return to normal but the main return will come when the public is satisfied the risks have decreased.


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I agree, people who don't have a link or directly affected by border closure want them kept closed. thats because they are not affected! I have close friends in WA that work in other industry they want it kept shut their reasoning is purely they don't want the virus as they think they will die because of whats going on in the nursing homes they have been scaremonger by their government. People need to be educated in how to manage this moving forward. NSW as I have said before are doing that, over two months ago everyone was saying we are headed for Victoria numbers we have achieved the goal of suppression. Eradication or two cycles or what ever other random requirements based on opinion these Premiers state will not happen in VIC NSW even QLD as has proved that already. NZ population size of Sydney prime example eradication will not work. I just hope this madness stops sooner as I do not want to be living in a third world country.

Passenger numbers did drop of a little where I am initially in March, but I think thats because of the unknown of the virus. Now they know about it and would return to reasonable capacity within a few months.

Regardless, this internal closure is similar to having the Berlin wall, we are supposed to be one country.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 23:51
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I have close friends in WA that work in other industry they want it kept shut their reasoning is purely they don't want the virus as they think they will die because of whats going on in the nursing homes they have been scaremonger by their government.
People in WA donít want the virus because of the limitations that will be placed on freedoms.

Life is normal and fun and happy in WA.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 23:59
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Originally Posted by OzSync View Post

Life is normal and fun and happy in WA.
For those that donít rely on freedom of travel. For everyone else it is a soul crushing and destructive time.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 00:30
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A few years back I was prohibited from seeing my Nan in her aged care facility because they had a flu going around (or gastro bug.... can’t remember which). Those sorts of facilities have semi-regular ‘lockdowns’ with restricted visitor numbers and increased health protocols to protect people.

So if the aged care system is ‘broken’ why are we only seeing the catastrophic death statistics in just one state? NSW seems to have sorted out the issues once they worked out what was going on at Newmarch. It took a galactic level of stupidity in Victoria for so many aged care homes to be infected.
I think the reason is that there actually aren't any catastrophic death statistics, even in Vic aged care. This is of course because we have locked down.
Having close contact with someone directly in the bus here in Melb, a singificant number of cases reported are dying WITH covid rather than FROM covid.
That's not to sat that there haven't been tragic cases and certainly COVID can bring forward the inevitable considerably.
In Victoria anyone who dies with COVID is automatically added to the COVID death tally and reported as such. Only this morning The Age finally ran an article about this, including that the death of the person in their 20s (who was widely promoted on the media as our youngest COVID victim) is actually still under investigation, which tells you everything you need to know.

Also of interest is the official state death statistics. Granted I don't have access to Aug figures yet - but on average between APR and JUNE around 48 people died in Victorian nursing homes each day*. It is possible that this will rise in JUL/AUG, but it also may not. I'm looking forward to the day the media tell us no-one died in aged care overnight.

All this is not to say that Dan hasn't bugled the way its been handled, but the death stats themselves seem to be more about scaremongering than anything else.

* Source bdm.vic.gov.au

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Old 29th Aug 2020, 00:45
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Domestic is going at maybe 2 or 3%...
Nope: 15-20%. Straight out of the little guy's mouth. How many times can you and your cohort be wrong in one single thread??

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Old 29th Aug 2020, 01:26
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People in WA donít want the virus because of the limitations that will be placed on freedoms.

Life is normal and fun and happy in WA.

as you suck off the teet of the eastern states. Wait until the relationship with China really sours. Then youíll have nothing, and will be screaming like stuck pigs.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 03:33
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For those that donít rely on freedom of travel. For everyone else it is a soul crushing and destructive time.
No, itís still a happy environment to be in, even with such a huge impact on our jobs.

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as you suck off the teet of the eastern states. Wait until the relationship with China really sours. Then youíll have nothing, and will be screaming like stuck pigs.
The mining related activity around Perth Airport would very strongly suggest there isnít much sucking of the Eastern teat going on. If the China relationship goes South, well the whole country is screwed.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 03:47
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Originally Posted by OzSync View Post

Life is normal and fun and happy in WA.
Itís not far away from Ďnormalí here in NSW either. Sure, we canít have a full SCG for the footy but community sport is still going with people being sensible about the precautions that need to be taken.

Itís time to learn to live with this disease. As the kiwis demonstrated this thing will re-surface at some stage. Locking borders down every few months is not a long term solution.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 04:37
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No, itís still a happy environment to be in, even with such a huge impact on our jobs.



The mining related activity around Perth Airport would very strongly suggest there isnít much sucking of the Eastern teat going on. If the China relationship goes South, well the whole country is screwed.
that federal GST teat...
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