QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: sincity
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Originally Posted by wombat watcher
You need to update yourself on what age discrimination actually is.
Not one of these pilots over the age of 60 joined after the retirement age for both Qantas and legal retirement age became over 60. Anything they have got is a bonus.
The unscrupulous who bid for a B737 slots after age 65 and then go sick have no other motivation than to cut out their unused sick leave at B747 hourly rates. Most of them never intended to take up the B737 training. They are dishonest pilots..Sick leave is for pilots who are sick or injured, not the unscrupulous.
Not one of these pilots over the age of 60 joined after the retirement age for both Qantas and legal retirement age became over 60. Anything they have got is a bonus.
The unscrupulous who bid for a B737 slots after age 65 and then go sick have no other motivation than to cut out their unused sick leave at B747 hourly rates. Most of them never intended to take up the B737 training. They are dishonest pilots..Sick leave is for pilots who are sick or injured, not the unscrupulous.
***** your colleagues too.
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Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The Swan Downunder
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Originally Posted by dragon man
I would strongly suggest that you ask the moderators if they are ok with language you have chosen to use.I would suggest it is libellous.
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Sydney
Age: 40
Posts: 78
DM think you might need to go back to law school he hasn't identified anyone
& secondly he has just expressed a view that someone who claims sick leave monies when they are not sick are doing something wrong, many people
would think you might be breaking some kind of law doing that
The former Whitlam Minister Clyde Cameron used to write about this kind of behaviour in the Public Service . Way back in the day up until mid - 80s it
was a popular sport in the PS for mid to Senior managers to "go sick" for their last 6 to 12 months to exhaust any sick leave before retirement
Pretty amazing if it is still going on in a commercial business 40 years later , if it is occurring it's just greed and entitlement culture of former Govt Airline. & also bumped someone from
doing an upgrade course - but that likely didn't factor so much into their thinking
& secondly he has just expressed a view that someone who claims sick leave monies when they are not sick are doing something wrong, many people
would think you might be breaking some kind of law doing that
The former Whitlam Minister Clyde Cameron used to write about this kind of behaviour in the Public Service . Way back in the day up until mid - 80s it
was a popular sport in the PS for mid to Senior managers to "go sick" for their last 6 to 12 months to exhaust any sick leave before retirement
Pretty amazing if it is still going on in a commercial business 40 years later , if it is occurring it's just greed and entitlement culture of former Govt Airline. & also bumped someone from
doing an upgrade course - but that likely didn't factor so much into their thinking
Last edited by Telfer86; 20th Aug 2020 at 14:16.
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: I prefer to remain north of a direct line BNE-ADL
Age: 45
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Yep I know 13 that have done it in the last 10 years, it’s all about Numero uno, ie themselves! It is totally ridiculous, and yes the Company has tried to take them on, but it’s a hard case when they bring Barristers for defence. Extremely easy to prove legally your unfit to fly, extremely hard to prove legally your rorting the system.
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 251
Originally Posted by dragon man
You really are a f##kwit. As usual you open your mouth and put your foot in it. There are two actions happening . I’m sure you have read the AIPA legal opinion, then gone thru the act and look at the exemptions and finally got independent legal advice. I’ll bet you havnt?
AIPA actions? If so, I’m out. Don’t waste my dollars on those who’ve already seen so many extra benefits in their career.
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Sydney
Age: 40
Posts: 78
If someone is claiming a medical condition that they don't have , only so many options such as back , psych etc
A GP has to refer to specialists after shortish period & that gets harder to bung it on
Not sure what rights a company has to not accept medical certificates and require reviews by other Specialists/GPs for sick leave,
they certainly can for workers comp, - get medical reviews ,use surveillance etc . Would be surprising if they just have to blindly accept certificates
from interesting Docs for long term sick leave, sounds like QF wasn't too fussed ,do other groups of employees do similar ?
Would be great to see you guys get back in the air, but unfortunately our State & Territory leaders are living out some kind of fantasy , just loving that border control
Think your CEO is warming you up for more redundancies & likely amending T&Cs talking about hard decisions & the cost advantage of new Virgin, long term stand down
comes with substantial costs. After a couple of years on stand down you have almost paid the costs of a CR for the 500 or so joiners from 2016
A GP has to refer to specialists after shortish period & that gets harder to bung it on
Not sure what rights a company has to not accept medical certificates and require reviews by other Specialists/GPs for sick leave,
they certainly can for workers comp, - get medical reviews ,use surveillance etc . Would be surprising if they just have to blindly accept certificates
from interesting Docs for long term sick leave, sounds like QF wasn't too fussed ,do other groups of employees do similar ?
Would be great to see you guys get back in the air, but unfortunately our State & Territory leaders are living out some kind of fantasy , just loving that border control
Think your CEO is warming you up for more redundancies & likely amending T&Cs talking about hard decisions & the cost advantage of new Virgin, long term stand down
comes with substantial costs. After a couple of years on stand down you have almost paid the costs of a CR for the 500 or so joiners from 2016
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sydney
Age: 37
Posts: 484
Originally Posted by Telfer86
If someone is claiming a medical condition that they don't have , only so many options such as back , psych etc
A GP has to refer to specialists after shortish period & that gets harder to bung it on
Not sure what rights a company has to not accept medical certificates and require reviews by other Specialists/GPs for sick leave,
they certainly can for workers comp, - get medical reviews ,use surveillance etc . Would be surprising if they just have to blindly accept certificates
from interesting Docs for long term sick leave, sounds like QF wasn't too fussed ,do other groups of employees do similar ?
Would be great to see you guys get back in the air, but unfortunately our State & Territory leaders are living out some kind of fantasy , just loving that border control
Think your CEO is warming you up for more redundancies & likely amending T&Cs talking about hard decisions & the cost advantage of new Virgin, long term stand down
comes with substantial costs. After a couple of years on stand down you have almost paid the costs of a CR for the 500 or so joiners from 2016
A GP has to refer to specialists after shortish period & that gets harder to bung it on
Not sure what rights a company has to not accept medical certificates and require reviews by other Specialists/GPs for sick leave,
they certainly can for workers comp, - get medical reviews ,use surveillance etc . Would be surprising if they just have to blindly accept certificates
from interesting Docs for long term sick leave, sounds like QF wasn't too fussed ,do other groups of employees do similar ?
Would be great to see you guys get back in the air, but unfortunately our State & Territory leaders are living out some kind of fantasy , just loving that border control
Think your CEO is warming you up for more redundancies & likely amending T&Cs talking about hard decisions & the cost advantage of new Virgin, long term stand down
comes with substantial costs. After a couple of years on stand down you have almost paid the costs of a CR for the 500 or so joiners from 2016
The "In the news" email this morning says it all really.
".......the Qantas group faces more tough decisions in the weeks ahead and that there will unfortunately be more job losses."
Take the CR immunity while it's available.
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Denmark
Posts: 450
Making 6000 redundant already, seeking concessions in pilots EBA (at JQ anyway)to “help the company prevent pilot redundancies” makes me wonder after reading that from AJ why would we agree to anything to help them out if it’s going to happen anyway.
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Sydney
Age: 40
Posts: 78
Weren't the JQ negotiating group dithering to much allowed the company to drag it out & out & out in very strong economic times
mid 2018 & 2019. When did the last agreement expire ? Should have just been more pragmatic & got a deal done without asking for "iron-clad" guarantees
& thinking you would get everything you asked for ? Who botched it ? (in terms of the slowness of negotiations) was it AFAP ?, other unions/associations or JQ pilot committee
The QF guys got a great deal getting EBA10 approved (correct ?) this year , pay rises etc
It was almost unbelievable to see the company proceed & push to get this done back in March when Covid was exploding around the world
Why couldn't they see at that point that Sunrise was now Sundowner ?
The tide is way out , big Tsunami barreling in & the response is - let's give everyone a pay rise
Rookie error by QF management
mid 2018 & 2019. When did the last agreement expire ? Should have just been more pragmatic & got a deal done without asking for "iron-clad" guarantees
& thinking you would get everything you asked for ? Who botched it ? (in terms of the slowness of negotiations) was it AFAP ?, other unions/associations or JQ pilot committee
The QF guys got a great deal getting EBA10 approved (correct ?) this year , pay rises etc
It was almost unbelievable to see the company proceed & push to get this done back in March when Covid was exploding around the world
Why couldn't they see at that point that Sunrise was now Sundowner ?
The tide is way out , big Tsunami barreling in & the response is - let's give everyone a pay rise
Rookie error by QF management
Evertonian
Join Date: May 2000
Location: #3117# Ppruner of the Year Nominee 2005
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
Weren't the JQ negotiating group dithering to much allowed the company to drag it out & out & out in very strong economic times
mid 2018 & 2019. When did the last agreement expire ? Should have just been more pragmatic & got a deal done without asking for "iron-clad" guarantees
& thinking you would get everything you asked for ? Who botched it ? (in terms of the slowness of negotiations) was it AFAP ?, other unions/associations or JQ pilot committee
mid 2018 & 2019. When did the last agreement expire ? Should have just been more pragmatic & got a deal done without asking for "iron-clad" guarantees
& thinking you would get everything you asked for ? Who botched it ? (in terms of the slowness of negotiations) was it AFAP ?, other unions/associations or JQ pilot committee
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 85
The tide is way out , big Tsunami barreling in & the response is - let's give everyone a pay rise
Rookie error by QF management
Rookie error by QF management
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: centre of my universe
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
There's probably not much point, but there will be no re-assignments and no re-training, the rest you can work out for yourself.
