QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages
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This cracks me up, the hypocrisy of him.
Offering voluntary (rather than compulsory) redundancy wherever possible and providing
large severance payouts for long-serving employees in particular.
Im wondering why he didn’t say except for pilots between 63 and 65.
Offering voluntary (rather than compulsory) redundancy wherever possible and providing
large severance payouts for long-serving employees in particular.
Im wondering why he didn’t say except for pilots between 63 and 65.
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sydney
Age: 37
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Originally Posted by dragon man
Im wondering why he didn’t say except for pilots between 63 and 65.
There is practically 0 international flying for the foreseeable future. He's doing everything he can to try and save cash. If you owned Qantas would you pay out a VR package to someone who in two years time will be retiring, and can't be used for the next 2 years?
Its not the company's fault. It's not Allan's fault. It's not the pilot's fault. But that's the hand that's been dealt.
It's smart business accounting. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Originally Posted by normanton
Are you offended by that dragon_man?
There is practically 0 international flying for the foreseeable future. He's doing everything he can to try and save cash. If you owned Qantas would you pay out a VR package to someone who in two years time will be retiring, and can't be used for the next 2 years?
Its not the company's fault. It's not Allan's fault. It's not the pilot's fault. But that's the hand that's been dealt.
It's smart business accounting. Nothing more, nothing less.
There is practically 0 international flying for the foreseeable future. He's doing everything he can to try and save cash. If you owned Qantas would you pay out a VR package to someone who in two years time will be retiring, and can't be used for the next 2 years?
Its not the company's fault. It's not Allan's fault. It's not the pilot's fault. But that's the hand that's been dealt.
It's smart business accounting. Nothing more, nothing less.
Really then why would you pay it to a 380 pilot who is 62 when he has said today they are grounded for 3 years? Secondly they are not and cannot be made to retire they remain accruing annual and long service leave the same as everyone else and don’t tell me I’m wrong as the next one is 65 tomorrow and he has been told he can remain on jobkeeper along with the three that are already there.
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Originally Posted by dragon man
Really then why would you pay it to a 380 pilot who is 62 when he has said today they are grounded for 3 years? Secondly they are not and cannot be made to retire they remain accruing annual and long service leave the same as everyone else and don’t tell me I’m wrong as the next one is 65 tomorrow and he has been told he can remain on jobkeeper along with the three that are already there.
That's really great they can't be forced to retire. Whats even more great is they still accrue annual leave and long service leave while they wait for a 737 slot to appear sometime in the next 5 years. What's next? Finally get a 737 slot and call sick on day one of the ground school for 12 months sick leave?
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack
No it’s not that obvious Normanton, they go sick after a few weeks ground school then 2 years sick pay....🤭
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack
Come on Dragonman maybe a case or two but everyone knows how many have rorted the system........It’s ridiculous...
Really , so a thousand repetitions equal the truth. Hear it often enough and you believe it. Everyone knows so I assume that includes you, so how many then?
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Originally Posted by dragon man
Really , so a thousand repetitions equal the truth. Hear it often enough and you believe it. Everyone knows so I assume that includes you, so how many then?
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Dragon man, were all these over 65’s planning on bidding back to short haul pre-Covid or are they just hanging on now to milk it due to a serendipitous loophole?
If the latter, do you not think in the company’s current crippled state and given they can walk away having had virtually no ill effect on their career from Covid (unlike all of their colleagues), it is a bit selfish?
If the latter, do you not think in the company’s current crippled state and given they can walk away having had virtually no ill effect on their career from Covid (unlike all of their colleagues), it is a bit selfish?
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron
Dragon man, were all these over 65’s planning on bidding back to short haul pre-Covid or are they just hanging on now to milk it due to a serendipitous loophole?
If the latter, do you not think in the company’s current crippled state and given they can walk away having had virtually no ill effect on their career from Covid (unlike all of their colleagues), it is a bit selfish?
If the latter, do you not think in the company’s current crippled state and given they can walk away having had virtually no ill effect on their career from Covid (unlike all of their colleagues), it is a bit selfish?
Not at all I’m sure they would all have taken VR except for the age discrimination
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Originally Posted by normanton
It's not age discrimination if it's legal dragon_man. Put your money where your mouth is and take them to court. Yeah just what I thought, take the package and enjoy the retirement.
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Originally Posted by dragon man
Not at all I’m sure they would all have taken VR except for the age discrimination
Not one of these pilots over the age of 60 joined after the retirement age for both Qantas and legal retirement age became over 60. Anything they have got is a bonus.
The unscrupulous who bid for a B737 slots after age 65 and then go sick have no other motivation than to cut out their unused sick leave at B747 hourly rates. Most of them never intended to take up the B737 training. They are dishonest pilots..Sick leave is for pilots who are sick or injured, not the unscrupulous.
Last edited by wombat watcher; 20th Aug 2020 at 12:37.
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Originally Posted by wombat watcher
You need to update yourself on what age discrimination actually is.
Not one of these pilots over the age of 60 joined after the retirement age for both Qantas and legal retirement age became over 60. Anything they have got is a bonus.
The crooks who bid for a B737 slots after age 65 and then go sick have no other motivation than to cut out their unused sick leave at B747 hourly rates. Most of them never intended to take up the B737 training. They are dishonest crooks.Sick leave is for pilots who are sick or injured, not crooks.
Not one of these pilots over the age of 60 joined after the retirement age for both Qantas and legal retirement age became over 60. Anything they have got is a bonus.
The crooks who bid for a B737 slots after age 65 and then go sick have no other motivation than to cut out their unused sick leave at B747 hourly rates. Most of them never intended to take up the B737 training. They are dishonest crooks.Sick leave is for pilots who are sick or injured, not crooks.
I would strongly suggest that you ask the moderators if they are ok with language you have chosen to use.I would suggest it is libellous.
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Originally Posted by dragon man
I would strongly suggest that you ask the moderators if they are ok with language you have chosen to use.I would suggest it is libellous.
I have modified the words anyway.
