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Old 20th Aug 2020, 03:17
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This cracks me up, the hypocrisy of him.

Offering voluntary (rather than compulsory) redundancy wherever possible and providing
large severance payouts for long-serving employees in particular.


Im wondering why he didn’t say except for pilots between 63 and 65.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 04:15
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
Im wondering why he didn’t say except for pilots between 63 and 65.
Are you offended by that dragon_man?

There is practically 0 international flying for the foreseeable future. He's doing everything he can to try and save cash. If you owned Qantas would you pay out a VR package to someone who in two years time will be retiring, and can't be used for the next 2 years?

Its not the company's fault. It's not Allan's fault. It's not the pilot's fault. But that's the hand that's been dealt.

It's smart business accounting. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 04:24
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Originally Posted by normanton View Post
Are you offended by that dragon_man?

There is practically 0 international flying for the foreseeable future. He's doing everything he can to try and save cash. If you owned Qantas would you pay out a VR package to someone who in two years time will be retiring, and can't be used for the next 2 years?

Its not the company's fault. It's not Allan's fault. It's not the pilot's fault. But that's the hand that's been dealt.

It's smart business accounting. Nothing more, nothing less.

Really then why would you pay it to a 380 pilot who is 62 when he has said today they are grounded for 3 years? Secondly they are not and cannot be made to retire they remain accruing annual and long service leave the same as everyone else and donít tell me Iím wrong as the next one is 65 tomorrow and he has been told he can remain on jobkeeper along with the three that are already there.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 04:28
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
Im wondering why he didnít say except for pilots between 63 and 65.
I was almost going to write ďletís take bets on how long it takes Normanton to respond to this one!Ē
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 04:31
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot View Post
I was almost going to write ďletís take bets on how long it takes Normanton to respond to this one!Ē
You could have added pushing the companies point of view of course.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 04:40
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
Really then why would you pay it to a 380 pilot who is 62 when he has said today they are grounded for 3 years? Secondly they are not and cannot be made to retire they remain accruing annual and long service leave the same as everyone else and don’t tell me I’m wrong as the next one is 65 tomorrow and he has been told he can remain on jobkeeper along with the three that are already there.
No idea dragon_man.

That's really great they can't be forced to retire. Whats even more great is they still accrue annual leave and long service leave while they wait for a 737 slot to appear sometime in the next 5 years. What's next? Finally get a 737 slot and call sick on day one of the ground school for 12 months sick leave?
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 04:49
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No it’s not that obvious Normanton, they go sick after a few weeks ground school then 2 years sick pay....🤭
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 04:53
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Ahhhh, my mistake.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 04:55
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And then the company refers them to a specialist who says your can’t fly with that ailment you need an operation. But of course you can’t let the facts get in the way of a good story can you.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 05:08
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack View Post
No itís not that obvious Normanton, they go sick after a few weeks ground school then 2 years sick pay....🤭
Why wouldn't you just make them redundant along with everyone else when jobkeeper ends.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 10:45
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Come on Dragonman maybe a case or two but everyone knows how many have rorted the system........It’s ridiculous...
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 11:26
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack View Post
Come on Dragonman maybe a case or two but everyone knows how many have rorted the system........Itís ridiculous...

Really , so a thousand repetitions equal the truth. Hear it often enough and you believe it. Everyone knows so I assume that includes you, so how many then?
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 12:04
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
Really , so a thousand repetitions equal the truth. Hear it often enough and you believe it. Everyone knows so I assume that includes you, so how many then?
approx 5
"..............
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 12:07
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Dragon man, were all these over 65ís planning on bidding back to short haul pre-Covid or are they just hanging on now to milk it due to a serendipitous loophole?

If the latter, do you not think in the companyís current crippled state and given they can walk away having had virtually no ill effect on their career from Covid (unlike all of their colleagues), it is a bit selfish?
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 12:09
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron View Post
Dragon man, were all these over 65ís planning on bidding back to short haul pre-Covid or are they just hanging on now to milk it due to a serendipitous loophole?

If the latter, do you not think in the companyís current crippled state and given they can walk away having had virtually no ill effect on their career from Covid (unlike all of their colleagues), it is a bit selfish?

Not at all Iím sure they would all have taken VR except for the age discrimination
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 12:13
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It's not age discrimination if it's legal dragon_man. Put your money where your mouth is and take them to court. Yeah just what I thought, take the package and enjoy the retirement.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 12:19
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Originally Posted by normanton View Post
It's not age discrimination if it's legal dragon_man. Put your money where your mouth is and take them to court. Yeah just what I thought, take the package and enjoy the retirement.
You really are a f##kwit. As usual you open your mouth and put your foot in it. There are two actions happening . Iím sure you have read the AIPA legal opinion, then gone thru the act and look at the exemptions and finally got independent legal advice. Iíll bet you havnt?
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 12:25
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
Not at all I’m sure they would all have taken VR except for the age discrimination
You need to update yourself on what age discrimination actually is.
Not one of these pilots over the age of 60 joined after the retirement age for both Qantas and legal retirement age became over 60. Anything they have got is a bonus.
The unscrupulous who bid for a B737 slots after age 65 and then go sick have no other motivation than to cut out their unused sick leave at B747 hourly rates. Most of them never intended to take up the B737 training. They are dishonest pilots..Sick leave is for pilots who are sick or injured, not the unscrupulous.

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Old 20th Aug 2020, 12:30
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Originally Posted by wombat watcher View Post
You need to update yourself on what age discrimination actually is.
Not one of these pilots over the age of 60 joined after the retirement age for both Qantas and legal retirement age became over 60. Anything they have got is a bonus.
The crooks who bid for a B737 slots after age 65 and then go sick have no other motivation than to cut out their unused sick leave at B747 hourly rates. Most of them never intended to take up the B737 training. They are dishonest crooks.Sick leave is for pilots who are sick or injured, not crooks.

I would strongly suggest that you ask the moderators if they are ok with language you have chosen to use.I would suggest it is libellous.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 12:39
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
I would strongly suggest that you ask the moderators if they are ok with language you have chosen to use.I would suggest it is libellous.
You also need to check what is libellous.
I have modified the words anyway.

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