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Old 15th Aug 2020, 11:08
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Sure, but their not stupid, LWOP has no practicle advantage unless you can go home and live with mum and dad for the next couple of years, there probably isn't many that young.
In my view if they are not paying you, you have already been made redundant. I wouldn't expect that to become obvious until jobkeeper ends.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 11:46
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Geez Telfer, we get it. The world has changed. Things will struggle. I’m sure people in 1920 thought the Spanish Flu was going to be the end of the world too- and that killed tens of millions.

At some stage this will turn. Maybe not until late 2021, maybe not until 2022. But turn it will. When it does, plans need to be in place in order to deal with the changed outlook.

Or we can keep bemoaning the current state of affairs.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 12:30
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We will know things have turned around when Keg finally gets his TRE slot on the A330. All that hard work here and on Qrewroom will have finally paid off.

JLM must be very close to ascending you to heaven now - so to speak.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 12:41
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Ascension! Highly unlikely.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 12:46
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That’s not necessary Mohikan. Play nice....
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 22:40
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Oh the great mohikan makes a triumphant return. This time heís going after Keg. Last time he was laughing SOís would be made redundant. Before that it was the Adelaide C&T department. Whoís next? Tune in at 6pm tonight....
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 23:17
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Originally Posted by mohikan View Post
We will know things have turned around when Keg finally gets his TRE slot on the A330. All that hard work here and on Qrewroom will have finally paid off.
Time to ease off the Keg I reckon. I have no idea who he/she is (Normanton can probably tell you with his PPRuNe detective skills), but a few years ago in somewhat happier times I seem to recall Keg was one of the only pilots in Qantas giving up to date information about the recruitment process. This proved to be quite accurate and helpful- thanks for that Keg.

Now Keg just wants to keep their job like the rest of us. I donít think anyone should be given a hard time for that.

Senior/junior/middle seniority/LH/SH- truth is we are all stuck up sh!t creek without a paddle right now. I hope we find that paddle soon.



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Old 16th Aug 2020, 01:20
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Iíve got the utmost respect for Keg. We donít always agree. But he tells it how he sees it. He also puts his name to what he posts.

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Old 16th Aug 2020, 03:18
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Buster
public apology.
I was out of line.
i should not have posted that.
regards
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All good, and accepted. I have removed my smart A** posts in the spirit of Glasnost.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 03:31
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This is gold...Talent Acquisition has the ascension power now. ‘Jobs for the boys’ is well and truly dead.

When you consider the crap that is thrown by nameless warriors on here, having a crack at Keg seems a bit rich.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 06:57
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Points all taken. At least Normanton is honest and open about the ambitions behind his arguments. He wants to avoid CR.

To put it another way (thanks Sunfish) what if all the arguments and opinions put forward on this forum and elsewhere was motivated simply by the prospect of promotion ? This is not a problem, its understandable as its human nature. The motivations probably need to be more transparent is my point.

As WK has said on Qrewroom. Always back a horse called self interest at least you know where it stands.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 07:54
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Not sure if promotion is motivation. after all thereís 196 fewer positions with the 747 going. A RIN for the remaining crew plus a home for the 380 crew at some point.

No. The only motivation I could see is padding below for more senior guys not wanting to take LWOP if it got to CR.

Either way. Worrying about stuff thatís totally out of our control is pointless. If the gator comes from below so be it. There will be another chapter and another adventure.

If we lose possessions. Itís just material stuff. There will always be shelter food and a warm bed somewhere. The family will adapt and we will all do our best at whatever we can to provide.

Having QF on your resume means you got to the top. Itís a small club, and in this country is the pinnacle of our commercial profession. Despite the naysayers who didnít.

Hold your heads up high and donít let them drag you down.

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Old 16th Aug 2020, 09:14
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Just for perspective, over here at team V, there were 1810 pilots on the seniority list as of early April. All NZ based and all Tiger crew were made redundant at the onset of administration which removed just over 400 crew. Subsequently earlier this month all Widebody (330 and 777) and all ATR72 crew were made redundant, also totaling approximately 400 crew. Remaining are 140 VARA crew (WA based F100 and A320) whose future hangs in the balance, leaving about 860 or so B737 crew. The majority of those would now probably not be current with the latest restrictions, and negotiations are currently underway to have the 737 fleet on Part time 25 and Part time 50 as (hopefully) the flying hours pick up, in order to avoid CR on that fleet. VR and LWOP is being offered but the VR package will not be anything more than the legal entitlements.

Good Luck to all.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 09:21
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Oh My Blueskymine, you really have been in cryosleep for a very long time.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 11:11
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Oh My Blueskymine, you really have been in cryosleep for a very long time.
Does anyone recall the ending of the WW2 flick The Cockleshell Heroes?

Heads held high!
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 11:13
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Originally Posted by slice View Post
Just for perspective, over here at team V, there were 1810 pilots on the seniority list as of early April. All NZ based and all Tiger crew were made redundant at the onset of administration which removed just over 400 crew. Subsequently earlier this month all Widebody (330 and 777) and all ATR72 crew were made redundant, also totaling approximately 400 crew. Remaining are 140 VARA crew (WA based F100 and A320) whose future hangs in the balance, leaving about 860 or so B737 crew. The majority of those would now probably not be current with the latest restrictions, and negotiations are currently underway to have the 737 fleet on Part time 25 and Part time 50 as (hopefully) the flying hours pick up, in order to avoid CR on that fleet. VR and LWOP is being offered but the VR package will not be anything more than the legal entitlements.
Good Luck to all.
Thanks for updating us, all the best to you and all your peers at Virgin.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 13:58
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Lol. Youíre more focussed on my career than I am Mohikan. Itís been more than a decade now youíve been taking pot shots at different times, and nearly four years since the mods deleted your BS that resulted in this response. Letís not forget the time that you called me an ex RAAF QFI even though you know Iím not and you know Iíve never made myself out to be, Definitely time for you to seek professional help with your obsession!

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..... what if all the arguments and opinions put forward on this forum and elsewhere was motivated simply by the prospect of promotion ?
By all means lets put our professional reputations on the line. Yours against mine. What I post up here and on Qrewroom against what you post on both forums. Letís look at your motivations in your constant sniping attacks on me compared to my motivations in whatever Iíve posted.

Iím pretty much an open book here and on Qrewroom. If you know me half as well as you reckon you do then youíd also know that my posts on PPRuNe and Qrewroom have gained me precisely zero. Youíd also be aware of the times they have cost me. Thatís OK, I take responsibility for what I post and wear the consequences as a result.

It does show the stupidity of your comments though. You remain a coward. Hiding behind your VPN. Always smearing with innuendo. Always too small to put your name to your lies. Always too afraid to confront me to my face with those lies.

I do enjoy living rent free in your head though. That does make me laugh at times but the more generous part of my nature compels me to suggest that you should seriously seek professional assistance. What youíre going through isnít healthy!
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 14:11
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Originally Posted by slice View Post
leaving about 860 or so B737 crew. The majority of those would now probably not be current w
Company communications only couple of days ago stated over 75% of 737 crew current
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 14:27
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How is Qantas going to ferry all the announced 787’s to the USA ?
How many crew are still current ?
With AUSTRALIAN border restrictions , how will they be able to requalify ?
Sims in Sydney and Melbourne .
Where are most of the airframes presently sitting ?
What sort of quarantine restrictions will be placed on ferry crew , there in the USA plus on return to Australia ?
Who is going to put their hand up for such a sh!t storm privilege ?

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Old 16th Aug 2020, 23:59
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If Virgin currently have 75 B737s and Bain are looking at a fleet of 60 - 70 aircraft then worst case is a 20% reduction ie 172 pilots. Normal retirement and loss of medical will come out of that number, a few may decide to take early retirement or change careers. Without a generous VR package on offer, and very poor job prospects in the short to medium term, most will likely hold on and hope for the best.

Bain’s view of Virgin could be a rough indication of possible QF restructuring on the domestic side, basically 10 - 20% less. International is a different matter as Virgin can easily do without it however it’s a QF core business which needs to resume when possible however it’s the most difficult to predict. All that can be said for certain is that the network and frequencies will be reduced and smaller aircraft used. B737s will replace wide bodies where possible, which may take up some slack on the domestic front.
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