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Old 13th Aug 2020, 03:49
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Surely getting on with a Healthy & Happy retirement while this Crap is going on would be a strong consideration? Not much going into the retirement kitty for the next few years.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 03:50
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
....because the leave that we accrue is greater than the ER...
You’ve already been shown the flaw in that argument. The longer prior to ER is enacted the more incorrect this assertion becomes.

I’m sure your barrister is rubbing his or her hands together at the prospect of running this case. They get paid either way. Who’s the real goose? Good luck!
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 03:55
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
You’ve already been shown the flaw in that argument. The longer prior to ER is enacted the more incorrect this assertion becomes.

I’m sure your barrister is rubbing his or her hands together at the prospect of running this case. They get paid either way. Who’s the real goose? Good luck!
You blokes are gold you know everything.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 03:59
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dragon, occasionally you post some stuff that is pretty good but you and I both know that there is no single pilot eligible for ER that will accrue more in leave between now and their 65th birthday than they will with the ER offer. These numbers have been done for you a couple of times now on Qrewroom.

But by all means run your legal case. Decrease that amount you’ll walk away with even further. Again, who’s the goose?
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 04:13
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You because as I have tried to explain to you but you of course know better we are not going at 65 but will continue to accrue leave while stood down. The proof is in the pudding there are pilots in Long haul as I type this stood down over 65. That’s a fact.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 04:20
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Hanging around at 65 to get stand down leave accrual? Sad
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 04:52
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there are pilots in Long haul as I type this stood down over 65. That’s a fact.

Rubbish...
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 05:06
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Rubbish...
Typical , ask AIPA they will confirm it as they did to a fellow pilot last Friday. I also know one of them , but as I said earlier you blokes know everything.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 05:21
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Out of curiosity dragon, did these pilots have 737 training positions allocated to them that have been postponed? Also, does the age 65 rule apply to SO’s?
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 05:42
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Originally Posted by Poto View Post
Hanging around at 65 to get stand down leave accrual? Sad
Why sad? They are effectively in retirement, can access their Super and have the added benefit of accruing leave without having to expend any effort whilst stood-down. There's not that many favourable (if you can call it that) outcomes for anyone in being stood-down but this may be one. They are not displacing anyone from a position whilst the fleets they operate are parked at Victorville or Mojave and there is no training happening or likely to happen for some time on other fleets. Seems like a lucky position to be in if all else is stalled.

There appear to be 5 or 6 longhaul pilots over 65 that are still on the most recent seniority list - not sure if they've subsequently retired or not - but all except 1*, have turned 65 since being stood-down. About another 8 or 10 turn 65 in the next 6 months.

* He may have been on longterm sick leave when this all started - vague recollection but not certain.

Out of curiosity dragon, did these pilots have 737 training positions allocated to them that have been postponed? Also, does the age 65 rule apply to SO’s?
No, I'm fairly certain they didn't have 737 training slots and yes it does apply to S/O's.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 05:55
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Well it’s Not Not Sad
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 08:23
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Company debt levels are greater than VA’s before their administration. If you include all ongoing liabilities including staff entitlements, that figure is surely north of 10 billion. With no short to medium term revenue to service this debt, another financial lever will need to be pulled or government bailout will be required very shortly. If that is not forthcoming everyone’s job and conditions are at risk. The vaccine will not arrive in time.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 10:53
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Can I ask that when people dial into the Webinars that they stop thanking the people (RT AS DA PD etc etc) for their hard work and time. These people are being paid. This is their job. The rest of us are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in pay. They are being paid to do their job as managers. Stop thanking them. Then TLSP thanks them. For goodness sakes they’re not the ones who should be thanked, they’re still being paid. Thank all of us for our patience, the fact that getting zero from Qantas whilst other airlines around the world are paying their employees something.

They are not the hero’s we are. Maybe we should rotate the managers so everyone gets a go and gets paid.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 11:00
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Originally Posted by Autobrakes4 View Post
Can I ask that when people dial into the Webinars that they stop thanking the people (RT AS DA PD etc etc) for their hard work and time. These people are being paid. This is their job. The rest of us are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in pay. They are being paid to do their job as managers. Stop thanking them. Then TLSP thanks them. For goodness sakes they’re not the ones who should be thanked, they’re still being paid. Thank all of us for our patience, the fact that getting zero from Qantas whilst other airlines around the world are paying their employees something.

They are not the hero’s we are. Maybe we should rotate the managers so everyone gets a go and gets paid.
And stop giving them ideas! What the hell is wrong with people?! Their problem is bigger than ours, let them solve it.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 11:05
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Imagine going to the greatest party on Earth, then complaining about the party bag on your way out the door..
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 11:07
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Originally Posted by Autobrakes4 View Post
Can I ask that when people dial into the Webinars that they stop thanking the people (RT AS DA PD etc etc) for their hard work and time. These people are being paid. This is their job. The rest of us are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in pay. They are being paid to do their job as managers. Stop thanking them. Then TLSP thanks them. For goodness sakes they’re not the ones who should be thanked, they’re still being paid. Thank all of us for our patience, the fact that getting zero from Qantas whilst other airlines around the world are paying their employees something.

They are not the hero’s we are. Maybe we should rotate the managers so everyone gets a go and gets paid.
100% agree
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 11:36
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And like all company managers are briefed with what they can tell you and what they can't. You'll recognise what they can't tell you when they handball the question to someone else that needs to check on that and will advise.
When push comes to shove they will follow the company line before yours.
Everything they tell you is predicated on a draft plan formulated at least 3 weeks ago.
When these individuals stop turning up or are replaced by someone you don't know, you can be sure the plan has gone pear shaped and bad news is coming.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 12:03
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Originally Posted by ConfigFull View Post
And stop giving them ideas! What the hell is wrong with people?!
^^^^^^^^
This!

”I’ve had a good look through the relevant paperwork, and found this clause tucked away which might let you really screw us over. Do you think you might be interested in doing that?”

FFS
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 12:27
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Propaganda webinars

The Webinars are nothing but IR conditioning sessions for the scared, vulnerable and easily manipulated.
Qantas were the first employer in the country to stand you down. You get a salary of zero. Plenty of global airlines getting paid more than 0. If they could sack you all for a dollar less they would. variations to agreements will just make it easier and cheaper.
Tino and Alan are back at work earning very good money. Your getting zero.
They have and continue to not give a f$&# about you.
Sadly pilots are dumb enough to agree to variations that will be nothing but detrimental to them. Astonished at the morons calling in offering ways to f#$& themselves over and thanking Tino for screwing them.

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Old 13th Aug 2020, 12:37
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
CR is not a threat, it's a requirement. Of course it is to be avoided and yes it will be expensive, that's why you won't get paid in full straight away, it'll be over a few years, no different to an insolvency and arguably that's what it is. Of course they will want as many as possible to take LWOP it's a better option for the company but not really an option for you personally.
When push comes to shove and they have no choice, CR is all that's left and seniority will play no part in it. Being junior won't automatically mean being redundant.
This is complete hysterical bullshit and lies. You have no understanding of the contract. It’s quite frankly Embarrassing. Your scaremongering with 0 factual knowledge.
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