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Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,339
Originally Posted by dragon man
....because the leave that we accrue is greater than the ER...
I’m sure your barrister is rubbing his or her hands together at the prospect of running this case. They get paid either way. Who’s the real goose? Good luck!
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: sydney
Posts: 1,200
Originally Posted by Keg
You’ve already been shown the flaw in that argument. The longer prior to ER is enacted the more incorrect this assertion becomes.
I’m sure your barrister is rubbing his or her hands together at the prospect of running this case. They get paid either way. Who’s the real goose? Good luck!
I’m sure your barrister is rubbing his or her hands together at the prospect of running this case. They get paid either way. Who’s the real goose? Good luck!
Nunc est bibendum
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,339
dragon, occasionally you post some stuff that is pretty good but you and I both know that there is no single pilot eligible for ER that will accrue more in leave between now and their 65th birthday than they will with the ER offer. These numbers have been done for you a couple of times now on Qrewroom.
But by all means run your legal case. Decrease that amount you’ll walk away with even further. Again, who’s the goose?
But by all means run your legal case. Decrease that amount you’ll walk away with even further. Again, who’s the goose?
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: sydney
Posts: 1,200
You because as I have tried to explain to you but you of course know better we are not going at 65 but will continue to accrue leave while stood down. The proof is in the pudding there are pilots in Long haul as I type this stood down over 65. That’s a fact.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 86
Originally Posted by Poto
Hanging around at 65 to get stand down leave accrual? Sad
There appear to be 5 or 6 longhaul pilots over 65 that are still on the most recent seniority list - not sure if they've subsequently retired or not - but all except 1*, have turned 65 since being stood-down. About another 8 or 10 turn 65 in the next 6 months.
* He may have been on longterm sick leave when this all started - vague recollection but not certain.
Out of curiosity dragon, did these pilots have 737 training positions allocated to them that have been postponed? Also, does the age 65 rule apply to SO’s?
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Oz
Posts: 5
Company debt levels are greater than VA’s before their administration. If you include all ongoing liabilities including staff entitlements, that figure is surely north of 10 billion. With no short to medium term revenue to service this debt, another financial lever will need to be pulled or government bailout will be required very shortly. If that is not forthcoming everyone’s job and conditions are at risk. The vaccine will not arrive in time.
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 105
Can I ask that when people dial into the Webinars that they stop thanking the people (RT AS DA PD etc etc) for their hard work and time. These people are being paid. This is their job. The rest of us are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in pay. They are being paid to do their job as managers. Stop thanking them. Then TLSP thanks them. For goodness sakes they’re not the ones who should be thanked, they’re still being paid. Thank all of us for our patience, the fact that getting zero from Qantas whilst other airlines around the world are paying their employees something.
They are not the hero’s we are. Maybe we should rotate the managers so everyone gets a go and gets paid.
They are not the hero’s we are. Maybe we should rotate the managers so everyone gets a go and gets paid.
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 1
Originally Posted by Autobrakes4
Can I ask that when people dial into the Webinars that they stop thanking the people (RT AS DA PD etc etc) for their hard work and time. These people are being paid. This is their job. The rest of us are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in pay. They are being paid to do their job as managers. Stop thanking them. Then TLSP thanks them. For goodness sakes they’re not the ones who should be thanked, they’re still being paid. Thank all of us for our patience, the fact that getting zero from Qantas whilst other airlines around the world are paying their employees something.
They are not the hero’s we are. Maybe we should rotate the managers so everyone gets a go and gets paid.
They are not the hero’s we are. Maybe we should rotate the managers so everyone gets a go and gets paid.
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Earth
Posts: 156
Originally Posted by Autobrakes4
Can I ask that when people dial into the Webinars that they stop thanking the people (RT AS DA PD etc etc) for their hard work and time. These people are being paid. This is their job. The rest of us are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in pay. They are being paid to do their job as managers. Stop thanking them. Then TLSP thanks them. For goodness sakes they’re not the ones who should be thanked, they’re still being paid. Thank all of us for our patience, the fact that getting zero from Qantas whilst other airlines around the world are paying their employees something.
They are not the hero’s we are. Maybe we should rotate the managers so everyone gets a go and gets paid.
They are not the hero’s we are. Maybe we should rotate the managers so everyone gets a go and gets paid.
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The Swan Downunder
Posts: 564
And like all company managers are briefed with what they can tell you and what they can't. You'll recognise what they can't tell you when they handball the question to someone else that needs to check on that and will advise.
When push comes to shove they will follow the company line before yours.
Everything they tell you is predicated on a draft plan formulated at least 3 weeks ago.
When these individuals stop turning up or are replaced by someone you don't know, you can be sure the plan has gone pear shaped and bad news is coming.
When push comes to shove they will follow the company line before yours.
Everything they tell you is predicated on a draft plan formulated at least 3 weeks ago.
When these individuals stop turning up or are replaced by someone you don't know, you can be sure the plan has gone pear shaped and bad news is coming.
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Elsewhere
Posts: 414
Originally Posted by ConfigFull
And stop giving them ideas! What the hell is wrong with people?!
This!
”I’ve had a good look through the relevant paperwork, and found this clause tucked away which might let you really screw us over. Do you think you might be interested in doing that?”
FFS
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: DeShire
Posts: 100
Propaganda webinars
The Webinars are nothing but IR conditioning sessions for the scared, vulnerable and easily manipulated.
Qantas were the first employer in the country to stand you down. You get a salary of zero. Plenty of global airlines getting paid more than 0. If they could sack you all for a dollar less they would. variations to agreements will just make it easier and cheaper.
Tino and Alan are back at work earning very good money. Your getting zero.
They have and continue to not give a f$&# about you.
Sadly pilots are dumb enough to agree to variations that will be nothing but detrimental to them. Astonished at the morons calling in offering ways to f#$& themselves over and thanking Tino for screwing them.
Qantas were the first employer in the country to stand you down. You get a salary of zero. Plenty of global airlines getting paid more than 0. If they could sack you all for a dollar less they would. variations to agreements will just make it easier and cheaper.
Tino and Alan are back at work earning very good money. Your getting zero.
They have and continue to not give a f$&# about you.
Sadly pilots are dumb enough to agree to variations that will be nothing but detrimental to them. Astonished at the morons calling in offering ways to f#$& themselves over and thanking Tino for screwing them.
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: DeShire
Posts: 100
Originally Posted by Xeptu
CR is not a threat, it's a requirement. Of course it is to be avoided and yes it will be expensive, that's why you won't get paid in full straight away, it'll be over a few years, no different to an insolvency and arguably that's what it is. Of course they will want as many as possible to take LWOP it's a better option for the company but not really an option for you personally.
When push comes to shove and they have no choice, CR is all that's left and seniority will play no part in it. Being junior won't automatically mean being redundant.
When push comes to shove and they have no choice, CR is all that's left and seniority will play no part in it. Being junior won't automatically mean being redundant.
