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Old 30th Jun 2020, 22:13
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Circumstances like these are great revealers of character. Behave in a way that you can look back on with pride.
Wise words indeed
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 00:17
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
from the EBA:
..... or other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible...”
They are not responsible for no flying due to a pandemic, borders open or not. You are fighting a losing battle.

I recommend you call AIPA legal for further clarification
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 00:44
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
from the EBA:
“…….other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible...”

I have to disagree. If there aren’t enough bookings once borders are open, that’s a business / commercial problem.

Otherwise, why would ANY company ever pay VR / CR if they could just stand down the employee indefinitely?
Again I hope you're right but the company will argue that demand has collapsed because of C-19 and thus they "cannot be held responsible".
The opening of borders may not be the trigger to relax stand-downs I'm afraid.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 01:13
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Originally Posted by C441 View Post
Again I hope you're right but the company will argue that demand has collapsed because of C-19 and thus they "cannot be held responsible".
The opening of borders may not be the trigger to relax stand-downs I'm afraid.
There’s a lot of ground between the current state of Australians borders being closed to all, and the 2019 state of being open.

When the borders go back to 2019 levels it won’t be done all at once. It’ll be a few neighbouring nations in travel bubbles first, then later other nations which have handled the outbreak well. Nations which haven’t done well at handling the outbreak (US, Brazil for example) will be delayed even further. And even when citizens of those nations are allowed to enter there could be conditions attached. An antibody test, a statement of vaccination, caps on flights and pax numbers from certain countries, a quarantine until a rapid test is performed, limits on the entry of aged or vulnerable populations, limitations on those travellers entering remote and indigenous communities. It may be years until full and free unrestricted travel is back.
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Old 1st Jul 2020, 02:12
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The border argument can be summarised by the domestic situation. When all domestic borders are opened unrestricted, will all domestic pilots be stood up? I think not.

NSW and VIC borders are open unrestricted. Does that mean all domestic SYD and MEL based pilots have been stood up? No.

Hoping the situation will be different with International is Illogical.

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Old 1st Jul 2020, 02:31
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There’s a whole prop fleet stood down in SYD and BNE while the more expensive fleet is gaining routes.

I haven’t yet heard where the extended govt subsidies are being used, but that plus jobkeeper doesn’t make it hard to keep people stood down.
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 06:40
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Erm. If you aren’t into speculation or the circulation of rumors I think you’re on the wrong website.
Every time I come back in for a look, people have to be reminded....
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 07:20
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They are using larger aircraft because they get a larger government subsidy.

Jetstar flew one passenger into Sunshine Coast today on a flight from Melbourne. What a waste of taxpayer dollars. I mean just charter a freighter for the supplies.
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 08:00
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Jetstar flew one passenger into Sunshine Coast today on a flight from Melbourne.
Extraordinary! Seems very odd to me. How many punters were on the outbound flight?
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 22:31
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
They are using larger aircraft because they get a larger government subsidy.

Jetstar flew one passenger into Sunshine Coast today on a flight from Melbourne. What a waste of taxpayer dollars. I mean just charter a freighter for the supplies.
Didn't the government subsidies cease a few weeks ago?
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 22:44
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Canberra extends aid to support airlines for domestic flights

The extension of federal government aid will help keep Virgin Australia flying till it completes a sale. Picture: AFPThe federal government has extended its financial assistance to the aviation industry for up to six months in a move that will help keep Virgin Australia in the air until a sale is finalised.

Taxpayer-subsidised flights will continue to the end of September on key domestic routes, and until the end of the year for regional airlines.

Announcing the extension of aviation network support, Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack said the funding would not only prop up airlines but protect regional communities.

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“We don’t want airlines to be flying to various destinations and losing money so what we want to make sure is if we need to ferry around personal protective equipment, face masks and vital medical personnel then there’s the opportunity to do so,” Mr McCormack said.

“What we’re also doing is making sure the airlines have the capacity to do it, keeping jobs in those airlines and giving them hope coming out the back of COVID-19 that there will be a viable aviation industry.”

Since late March, close to $365m had been spent on subsidising domestic and regional flights and Mr McCormack’s office would not say how much had been budgeted for the extension.

Mr McCormack said the latest commitment would take the total funding for the aviation industry to more than $1.2bn across a range of measures designed to lessen the financial impact of crippling COVID-19 travel restrictions.

“I’ve been monitoring the aviation sector on almost an hourly basis, not a daily basis. It’s been something that’s occupied much of my waking hours over recent months and so far so good,” he said.

“Without this assistance, many of those aviation routes would not have seen services and many of the 250,000 people who work in aviation would’ve been out of work with the potential to never go back.”

Qantas and Virgin Australia welcomed the extended support for a minimum domestic network, saying it would allow them to continue to fly to destinations that would otherwise be unviable.

The support was also expected to help cash-strapped Virgin Australia remain in operation until the sale of the airline was finalised. The carrier went into administration on April 21 with debts of $6.8bn and administrators Deloitte have worked hard to find cash to keep Virgin Australia flying.

It’s understood they now have just over $100m, which is expected to see the airline’s bare bones operation through to the end of August.

US companies Bain and Cyrus Capital are vying to buy Virgin Australia for as much as $4bn with final bids due by June 22.

Mr McCormack, who has been under fire from unions for not bailing out Virgin, revealed he was following the administration closely.

“We have two firm bidders in Cyrus and Bain and I’m confident we can come out of this with two commercially viable airlines,” said Mr McCormack.

“I’m certainly confident that our regional airways will be as good as they can be coming out of the back of COVID-19.”

A Virgin Australia spokeswoman said the government’s support for minimal domestic network would allow the airline to increase its network reach and cities served.

“Pleasingly, the extension of the minimal network allows us to keep some team members working throughout the crisis and continue to keep Australia connected during this time,” she said.

“We remain in discussions with the government and hope to have a new contract finalised soon.”

Qantas announced a significant increase in domestic flying last week, coinciding with school holidays and a gradual easing of travel restrictions.

Services will increase from just over 100 return flights a week to more than 300 weekly return flights from June 22, with a further jump in capacity expected in July.

Despite the additional services, a Qantas spokeswoman said the subsidised flights would allow them to conduct interstate and regional services to areas where travel restrictions meant passenger numbers were limited.
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 22:47
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The government subsidised domestic minimum viable network was extended in June till September, not sure what routes it covers though
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 06:02
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Just saw a 380 full noise departures early right turn over the Harbour Bridge bound for the desert I guess...this ain’t over yet is it🙁
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 09:17
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VR package is out:

> 15 years service 12 months base pay
> 5 years service 9 months base pay
< 5 years service 6 months base pay

Take LWOP and you will be skipped over if CR is required.

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Old 10th Jul 2020, 09:26
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Which group has this been offered to?

And how long is the LWOP period?
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 09:30
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Originally Posted by CaptainInsaneO View Post
Which group has this been offered to?

And how long is the LWOP period?
All long haul pilots.

As little or as long as you’d like, all assessed on an individual basis. HOBO has seen LWOP over his time approved up to about 5 years.
But the question I think you’re getting at, as per the EBA, minimum 12 months LWOP to be passed over for CR.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 10:33
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Originally Posted by normanton View Post
VR package is out:

> 15 years service 12 months base pay
> 5 years service 9 months base pay
< 5 years service 6 months base pay

Take LWOP and you will be skipped over if CR is required.
more than a years pay when taxed accordingly afaik

buT tHe hOstIeS gEt 14 mOntHs
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 10:44
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No problem swap your 12 months VR with a 14 month Flight attendant payout. It’s not about weeks or months, it’s about the payout, and it’s entirely up to the Company what they offer, anyone saying anything else is full of it. Take it or leave it, it’s pretty bloody simple.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 10:49
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The FA's have it documented in the EBA what a VR payout is.

If you wanted the same amount of weeks that they got you should have negotiated it into EBA 10.

It's a stupid argument when your wage is xxx higher.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 11:37
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Originally Posted by normanton View Post
The FA's have it documented in the EBA what a VR payout is.

If you wanted the same amount of weeks that they got you should have negotiated it into EBA 10.

It's a stupid argument when your wage is xxx higher.

QF pilots didn’t have any redundancy provisions until the CWD.
If it is voluntary it is voluntary. Stop whinging if the bait is not attractive enough.
I’d be happy if it was good enough to get angryrat, going boeing, Vjet, et al.
More to the point, if they are as unhappy as they portray, they should do the honourable thing and resign.
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