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Old 30th Jun 2020, 03:38
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Originally Posted by Ruvap View Post
Agreed!.....and to the moron above, letís say a 10 day trip to EU is worth 55 hours, thatís 4 sectors or 4 days or 4 times to put your monkey suit on, so I would say, wearing a uniform on 15 occasions every 56 is no exaggeration, the rest of the time being spent as a paid tourist, and you still think youíre worth more!
So now work is only when you put on your uniform so 3 Londonís is 30 days on the roster but under your maths only 12 days work. A blank line holder who does 30 standbys a roster but isnít called out so doesnít wear a uniform has therefore not worked. You idiot.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 03:42
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Gee there are some right clowns on this forum. There are a number of A380 crew who are amongst the best people on this planet. No one deserves what is occurring at the moment, whether they’re a declared ‘nice person’ or one of Ruvap’s ‘Sky gods’.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 03:58
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The vast majority of 380 pilots are great guys and gals! (but I have definitely run into some [email protected] on the crew bus - my captains words, not mine!)

The current world events and the circumstances we find our self in, has meant the 'gravy train bubble' has come to a swift halt. The new world order will come as a shock, and adapting is required for survival. It will only be temporary, and things will improve.

5 years down the track when 6 of the 380s are officially mothballed, and the 350s come in, you will all be grateful for listening to normantons wise wisdom about just how important it was to secure those 350's in LH10.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 04:06
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Originally Posted by Chad Gates View Post
It doesn’t help when you have a senior LH captain call into a webinar and demand a slot on the 737, then out himself on qrewroom telling everyone that he’s just looking after number 1, and disputing that “luck of draw, or right place, right time” has anything to do with this industry.
Not that it matters, but actually he's not a LH Captain but a 744 F/O with a severely disabled son who was (obviously inadvisedly) voicing his concerns at the plight he has found himself in. If you too are going to denigrate yourself online, at least do some research to verify the accuracy of your statement and include all of the information lest you appear as great a goose as you suggest he is.

And for what it's worth, he's also usually considered one of the nicest blokes you could share a flight deck with…….

Originally Posted by normanton View Post
5 years down the track when 6 of the 380s are officially mothballed, and the 350s come in, you will all be grateful for listening to normantons wise wisdom about just how important it was to secure those 350's in LH10.
Let's hope the 380s are still here so you can then use the 380 award conditions to offset Tino and Alan's next ultimatum! too

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Old 30th Jun 2020, 04:17
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
Because stand down canít be indefinite. At some point it becomes a commercial decision and the clause of stand down wonít apply. Ie When the government no longer has a travel ban / border closure in place.
Iím not sure if this line of thinking will stand up in court, but even then the government restrictions arenít going to be fully removed for a long time. Several days ago there were comments from the federal government indicating borders may be closed until mid to late 2021. Even when they reopen it wonít be a free for all, I wouldnít be surprised to see continued restrictions applied against travellers from the US for a period of time after borders are opened to other nations given how bad theyíve handled the outbreak over there.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 04:53
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
In that case he is a goose who doesnít understand his contract and wants to have his cake and eat it to and thatís not going to happen. You take the good with the bad.
Hear hear.

It's a rough time for everyone. Much as I'd love to get parachuted onto SH (or anything...) right now, climbing over the backs of colleagues isn't the way to do it.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 05:43
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Originally Posted by C441 View Post
Not that it matters, but actually he's not a LH Captain but a 744 F/O with a severely disabled son who was (obviously inadvisedly) voicing his concerns at the plight he has found himself in. If you too are going to denigrate yourself online, at least do some research to verify the accuracy of your statement and include all of the information lest you appear as great a goose as you suggest he is.

And for what it's worth, he's also usually considered one of the nicest blokes you could share a flight deck with…….



Let's hope the 380s are still here so you can then use the 380 award conditions to offset Tino and Alan's next ultimatum! too
Understood C441. I don't know the guy, and his position is not really relevant (except his seniority for the purpose of this point). I made an assumption, and I was wrong. That doesn't change the content of his point or the premise on which he made it. My point is that statements like can cause division as is being shown here on this board and it's not helping anyone. Just be careful what you say. We all have our crosses to bare.

And for the record, I never called him a goose. No need to be rude.

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Old 30th Jun 2020, 06:25
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Originally Posted by Chad Gates View Post
It doesnít help when you have a senior LH captain call into a webinar and demand a slot on the 737, then out himself on qrewroom telling everyone that heís just looking after number 1,
Thatís certainly not how I remember the question. I certainly donít recall him demanding a seat on the 737 and his post on Qrewroom doesnít ask for one either. I recall the question (Ďthe elephant in the roomí) was that there are senior crew stood down whilst junior crew are flying and whether there was anything being looked at to try and spread the flying to those crew stood down. It could probably have been phrased more effectively but itís a legitimate question.

Given he is on a now retired fleet his question is still somewhat relevant but more along the lines of Ďwhen can I expect to be RINídí so that he can bid for a fleet with some Ďuseful workí.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 06:33
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Several days ago there were comments from the federal government indicating borders may be closed until mid to late 2021.
That is not my understanding of what has been said.

Do you have a link?
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 06:59
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https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...ng-b881586415z

There is one link. This one indicates borders may be shut until we have a vaccine
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 07:04
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Then that will probably be never. There's no vaccine for every strain of Flu B, or all the bird flus, or all the other SARS strains.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 07:05
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This is embarrassing. Air NZ have actually had forced redundancies...hundreds of them...They have a thread too and somehow they managed to not denigrate the thread into a petty farce.

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Old 30th Jun 2020, 07:28
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Pathetic cowardly behavior. Hard to believe that these people occupy control seats in aircraft.

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Old 30th Jun 2020, 07:58
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https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...ng-b881586415z
There is one link. This one indicates borders may be shut until we have a vaccine
Gloriously vague. We have a Chief Medical Officer saying that there is no medical reason for state borders to be closed and yet here we are.

We are not supposed to be aiming for eradication, we are after flattening the curve, remember?

I will be surprised if we cannot travel overseas by Christmas.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 10:07
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Some thoughts from a survivor of ‘89.

- Its bad . Very bad. Accept it . And deal with it.

- People under stress will say and do things under stress that they will regret for the rest of their lives.
Don’t be one of them.

- The worst possible outcome will be when you start eating your own.

- Circumstances like these are great revealers of character. Behave in a way that you can look back on with pride.

- This too will pass.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 11:04
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^^^^ Well said.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 11:24
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
I will be surprised if we cannot travel overseas by Christmas.
get ready to be very surprised !!!!
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 12:51
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Originally Posted by aviones View Post
Once the borders open, if there is still not sufficient forward bookings, Qantas will leave crew stood down as they were going to originally, due to lack of demand - not the closure of the borders. Unfortunately the EA does not address how long crew can remain stood down so arbitration will eventually be needed to determine when the stand down no longer applies.
from the EBA:
ďThe Company may deduct payments from the pay of an Australian based pilot for any day the pilot cannot be usefully employed because of any strike, stoppage or other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible...Ē

I have to disagree. If there arenít enough bookings once borders are open, thatís a business / commercial problem.

Otherwise, why would ANY company ever pay VR / CR if they could just stand down the employee indefinitely?

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Old 30th Jun 2020, 17:47
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
from the EBA:
ďThe Company may deduct payments from the pay of an Australian based pilot for any day the pilot cannot be usefully employed because of any strike, stoppage or other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible...Ē

I have to disagree. If there arenít enough bookings once borders are open, thatís a business / commercial problem.

Otherwise, why would ANY company ever pay VR / CR if they could just stand down the employee indefinitely?
Qlink and Rex seem happy enough standing down pilots despite regional travel being permitted by the government.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 21:30
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Originally Posted by George Glass View Post
Some thoughts from a survivor of Ď89.

- Its bad . Very bad. Accept it . And deal with it.

- People under stress will say and do things under stress that they will regret for the rest of their lives.
Donít be one of them.

- The worst possible outcome will be when you start eating your own.

- Circumstances like these are great revealers of character. Behave in a way that you can look back on with pride.

- This too will pass.
I too reiterate these sentiments. Be careful what you say and do - it will be your legacy.
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