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Old 18th Jun 2020, 02:35
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Because other companies do it cheaper? If you try and enforce an Australian only airline then every other country will retaliate and then this thing continues on even longer that COVID. Would you go overseas if that country said you can only fly our airline or am I pitching this to high? If it was a government paid charter different story but the students will pay the airline bills. Simples

It is not the government paying the bills, it is the TAXPAYER. Everybody wants the taxpayer to pay their bills at the moment it seems. If you have kids they will be very old before they see the bill paid back for this. And what happens in the meantime if another black swan takes flight? Not everything can be saved including your job, welcome to the new reality.

Now I would have liked the government to bail out the airlines, but I understand it is what it is. Now again before people go off on their completely uneducated tangents the government has been paying jobkeeper to Qantas, VA, Rex etc and some support for domestic and international flights. I’d love to see more, but it is already a lot in terms of TAXPAYERS money. It is all going on a credit card, not from a savings account. Do we stop paying for hospitals because every pilot should keep his job?

Speaking as a pilot who lost his job because of Covid who doesn’t get Jobkeeper or jobseeker.

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Old 18th Jun 2020, 05:34
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Keg, I appreciate you are an elder statesman of Prune, but it is a new world. AIPA/AFAP contracts will be thrown out the window. AJ has grounded the airline and will do it again. I believe it is goodbye seniority, goodbye 4 engines. Adjust to the new world. IMHO, neither AIPA or AFAP will fight for seniority.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 06:06
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Originally Posted by Pundit View Post
Keg, I appreciate you are an elder statesman of Prune, but it is a new world. AIPA/AFAP contracts will be thrown out the window. AJ has grounded the airline and will do it again. I believe it is goodbye seniority, goodbye 4 engines. Adjust to the new world. IMHO, neither AIPA or AFAP will fight for seniority.
Wow!
Thanks for clearing that up...
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 06:20
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I really hope I am proved wrong 34R
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 06:46
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I suspect you are right.

There had already been a progressive transfer of risk to the individual eg casualisation of the workforce, more superannuation & less pension ....

COVID will dramatically accelerate this.

The world is going to look very different. It some ways, better maybe. It other ways, I fear worse.

But change is here. Embrace it, or it will embrace you.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 07:09
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Qantas have said over and over again that any RIN will be in accordance with the contract at an appropriate time.

The red herring is how long they can keep crews stood down for. Qantas thinks there is no limit. That is where the debate will be. Not about a CR by fleet.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 07:21
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Originally Posted by Pundit View Post
Keg, I appreciate you are an elder statesman of Prune, but it is a new world. AIPA/AFAP contracts will be thrown out the window. AJ has grounded the airline and will do it again. I believe it is goodbye seniority, goodbye 4 engines. Adjust to the new world. IMHO, neither AIPA or AFAP will fight for seniority.
Crikey, I’ve no objection to people disagreeing with me but ‘elder statesman’? That’s just a low blow, particularly when I’m still south of 50!
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 07:35
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JQ officially planning on 787 being grounded until mid 2021, I’d imagine QF would be similar.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 07:54
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Like everything else: it depends. If domestic travel ramps up to say 60% of 2019 and Virgin has a lengthy rebirth then you can imagine a scenario involving some 787 and 330s doing some domestic with crews rotating through the available flying.

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Old 18th Jun 2020, 07:58
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Like everything else: it depends. If domestic travel ramps up to say 60% of 2019 and Virgin has a lengthy rebirth then you can imagine a scenario involving some 787 and 330s doing some domestic with crews rotating through the available flying.
STOP talking common sense!
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 08:02
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
Like everything else: it depends. If domestic travel ramps up to say 60% of 2019 and Virgin has a lengthy rebirth then you can imagine a scenario involving some 787 and 330s doing some domestic with crews rotating through the available flying.
That point has been raised multiple times by JQ 787 guys but has been flatly rejected by the company. Unlike QF, JQ don’t have the infrastructure set up for WB domestic operations. The fleet is being put into long term storage and the 787 pilots aren’t being put through the sim to maintain currency, unlike the NB pilots.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 08:06
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I think you’ll find there will be travel bubbles with Singapore, Japan and Hong Kong by the end of the year in addition to NZ and the Pacific Islands if not then very early next year. They’ll be huge pressure from business and tourism to get the things moving. Qf domestic will be busy with Virgin being a substantially smaller operation.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 09:50
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
Like everything else: it depends. If domestic travel ramps up to say 60% of 2019 and Virgin has a lengthy rebirth then you can imagine a scenario involving some 787 and 330s doing some domestic with crews rotating through the available flying.
Makes more sense to run an A330 with a denser config than a 787. Unless the 787 is continuing on with range considerations then they’ll stay in bed until required.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 13:15
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Ozbiggles, interest rates are around 0.4% for the government at the moment, do you think taking on debt is bad?
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 13:16
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It’s common sense money is free atm and you would be mad not to use it.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 13:56
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The debt has to be repaid at some stage, regardless of the interest rate. Free money? Really...best laugh all day. You are telling me in excess of 100 billion dollars debt is free? I think I will go borrow a free 100 million for me tomorrow.
Debt is Debt.
Why doesn’t Qantas borrow another 6 billon if it’s free?
Why doesn’t VA just borrow 6.2 Billion for free?
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 16:18
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The shenanigans the Fed are getting away with are insane and make what we’re doing look a-ok, raising the dole a bit (should’ve been done years ago) and paying some people’s wages for 6 months. Adds to the debt but the alternative is mass homelessness and kids starving.

At least our government isn’t doing anything stupid like buying Virgins debt for face value.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 16:57
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But change is here. Embrace it, or it will embrace you.
The best advice of this thread. Those who fear change are going to struggle over the next several years.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 20:42
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Several years? All these random time lines. Honestly, no one has a clue when and what post covid will be like.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 21:38
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Or if there will even be a ‘post covid’
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