All borders to reopen.

[Koalatiger]

Time will tell...

[blubak]

Originally Posted by wheels_down

Whatever Alan is ever pushing on any given day its only ever related to the balance sheet. Not Health or Customer pockets.

Exactly right yet people still fall for his rhetoric,he & his leadership team do not care for anyone or anything except themselves.

[Yarra]

Originally Posted by Keg

Lol. How do you know you’re interacting with a Kiwi? Because of the enormous chip on their shoulder towards Australia! It’s a national inferiority complex. It was embarrassing 35 years ago when I lived in NZ for a time, it’s still embarrassing. Seriously, get help.

Kiwis...well balanced induvuduals... A Chup on both shoulders

[kev2002]

Originally Posted by Yarra

Kiwis...well balanced induvuduals... A Chup on both shoulders

Perhaps, but it it could be argued that the piss-take spelling and the constant inference that New Zealand is a quaint little backwater stuck in a time warp (ironic considering how archaic Australian aviation is) can wear a little thin. Anyway, from a pilot perspective its good to see things starting to open up.

[1A_Please]

Originally Posted by kev2002

Perhaps, but it it could be argued that the piss-take spelling and the constant inference that New Zealand is a quaint little backwater stuck in a time warp (ironic considering how archaic Australian aviation is) can wear a little thin. Anyway, from a pilot perspective its good to see things starting to open up.

I'm kind of surprised NZ opened the bubble. Jacinda seems more interested in sucking up to China than maintaining traditional alliances.

[Troo believer]

Given the current incredible rate of vaccination in both the USA and UK, it’s not hard to project that these two countries will be fully vaccinated and ready to travel whilst Australia and New Zealand will be left languishing. Thousands of people’s livelihood depend on tourist dollars flowing their way and yet both governments are slow and cumbersome in their approach to getting the vaccinations done. Hurry up and pull your fingers out. Too many bureaucrats and not enough action. Why couldn’t they set up a drive through at Maccas. Big Mac and vaccine with fries.

[jrfsp]

Well particularly if we follow suit and say AZ should not be given to under 30s etc, we've got bugger else on order (aside from the Pfizer which we are not getting)

[layman]

Not quite ... 51 million doses of Novovax on order for Australia for delivery in 2021

https://www.health.gov.au/node/18777...ine-agreements

[jrfsp]

Originally Posted by layman

Not quite ... 51 million doses of Novovax on order for Australia for delivery in 2021

https://www.health.gov.au/node/18777...ine-agreements

Ahh true enough, sourced from Europe......good luck

[Square Bear]

So what now are the opinions/directions of those (such as Dr Dre) who suggested the “jab” would be the panacea, and all those that were wary should automatically be lumped into the “anti vaccers” camp?

Btw, not against AZ, being over 30 will take the jab....but take it from a “not holier than thou” viewpoint....and certainly understand those that were always cautious.

Expecting some self opinionated spin in reply from certain quarters (sigh).

Edit....”Oops, my bad...looks like the “AZ jab” may not be the preferable option (at least for the short term) for those under 50 years of age.

[jrfsp]

I personally think this will set the intl border back 6-12 months, depending on supply from overseas.

Without the ability to manufacture locally we have little control

[wheels_down]

Herd Immunity is going to be a challenge down under it now seems. Vaccine hesitancy is already about 1 in 3 people.

It seems the only way out of this is to a) vaccinate as many as possible, clearly below herd levels b) wait wait and just wait for it to become weak and die off. I don’t know what is the acceptable level of ‘weak’ to open the world up again.

It will die eventually we just need to be prepared to wait a while. International Borders I’ve said all along, come back in late 2023.

[SOPS]

Originally Posted by jrfsp

I personally think this will set the intl border back 6-12 months, depending on supply from overseas.

Without the ability to manufacture locally we have little control

I agree.. that’s it I think. Big set back. AZ not recommend for those under 50. This will set the programme back by months. Many people under 50 won’t get the AZ vaccine now. Borders are going to stay shut. And if AJ thinks he will be sending International flights off in October.. I think he is dreaming.

[wheels_down]

Q4 is when supply for Pzifer and others will be available in large scale numbers as the USA and others dial down the program.

They will need to head down the path of mass vaccination centres late this year to really make headway. They now have the luxury of a few months to plan this and conduct the mass jabs.

[SHVC]

After seeing the Astra Zeneca roll out, expect the same with Pfizer if not worse. Pfizer is difficult for communities outside capital citys. I can’t see any level of hers immunity in Australia for yrs.

It’s definitely put international travel back beyond this yr for sure!

[ruprecht]

So who is going to rush out and get the AZ jab now? I think we’ll end up exporting most of our supply. With the low levels of infection in this country, most are now going to sit around and wait for an alternative vaccine. This has pushed the international border opening back a long way...

[KRviator]

The other problem with deferring the vaccine rollout is one of a state response to the pestilence getting out and about in the community again. Will McGoose and Anna-Stayaway resume their heavy-handed approach to their borders?

[Stick Flying]

Originally Posted by ruprecht

So who is going to rush out and get the AZ jab now? I think we’ll end up exporting most of our supply. With the low levels of infection in this country, most are now going to sit around and wait for an alternative vaccine. This has pushed the international border opening back a long way...

Couldn't agree more

[601]

So who is going to rush out and get the AZ jab now?

I expect to see a rise in unplanned pregnancies as the different rates of blood clots sink in.
1 in 1,000 women per year who take the oral contraceptive and 60% higher for those who use a patch.

Rate of clots for COVID patients

• Pulmonary embolism, or clotting on the lungs, occurs in 7.8% of people who have COVID-19
• Deep vein thrombosis (DVT), or clotting in the legs, occurs in 11.2% of people who have COVID-19
• Of those who have COVID-19 and end up in an intensive therapy unit (ITU), 23% will have some form of clot
• COVID-19 causes strokes in 1.6% of people
• Up to 30% of people who have COVID-19 will get thrombocytopenia, which is a lowering of the platelet count.

Is it such a slow news period that we have to tilt at windmills?

[Joker89]

Originally Posted by KRviator

The other problem with deferring the vaccine rollout is one of a state response to the pestilence getting out and about in the community again. Will McGoose and Anna-Stayaway resume their heavy-handed approach to their borders?

will they ever, this pandemic is a political wet dream. The gift that keeps on giving.