All borders to reopen.
I’ve heard on a Melbourne talk back radio station the other day of potentially using cruise ships as quarantine facilities, together with Puckapunyal Army Base. Probably an effective means to prevent people from escaping!
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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced the lockdown for Auckland, home to 1.5 million people, during a news conference on Sunday. The lockdown will end at 11:59 p.m. on Wednesday.
She defiantly has more intelligence than Dan by 2 days.
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At least the country doesn’t go into full-blown lock downs when there are breaches in the MIQ system.
Yes, the bubble is off.
Yes, you could quarantine in NZ then travel on to Australia within the bubble.
If you booked today, your slot would come up in.....June.
As in August, because the contact tracing team hasn’t figured out where they got it from, lock down to make sure it’s not being spread through the community without people knowing.
Unlike the community cases a few weeks ago, in November and October where the source can be traced back to MIQ, no alert levels were changed because contact tracers and genomic testing could identify a source.
If the contact tracing is good enough and you can quickly find the source and close contacts NZ does not change alert levels.
When there is no clear source, then yes alert levels change.
Compare NZ’s reaction to Victoria or WA, if NZ know where the case came from and close contacts are known (takes no longer than 24 hours for NZ contact tracers to identify close contacts, 48 hours for casual and casual+ contacts), so in the case of the Holiday Inn situation NZ would not have changed alert levels for that.
NZ has successfully eliminated the virus in its community 6 times now, twice using changes to alert levels and 4 times now using simple contact tracing without changing the alert levels. They have eliminated the virus twice as often without sweeping changes to society.
They have recorded 2,330 total cases and 25 deaths through a pandemic, while keeping a far more liberal border quarantine process than Australia.
Chill out bro. As you pointed out, NZ eliminated it 6 times so they have not eliminated it because it’s come back 6 times. Maybe they have just stopped waves of it like NSW. Point is you will never eliminate this virus even with the vaccine.
But the world will not eradicate it.
As the epidemiologists keep saying elimination is not a point in time, but a continual process of outbreaks, crushing them and moving on.
We can eliminate it as we have done with things like typhoid and to an extent measles. The diseases are still out there, won’t be going away in a hurry, but it does not run rampant and out of control. It is a very easy process, vaccine is one step, more effective treatments are the next step. Until these two methods are widespread, social methods of control are the only guaranteed way to continue elimination.
Australia has eliminated the virus, evidence of lockdowns going on in states and the zero tolerance attitude for rampant disease spread is elimination. Each state may use the social tools available at its disposal and vary between states how they are used, but all methods witnessed across all states of Australia are an elimination process.
The world has only eradicated smallpox and it took a very very long time and a multi-national response of elimination in each country.
It may appear to be semantics; elimination vs eradication but both have very different outcomes, although as individual countries work towards elimination, eventually we will reach eradication, if it’s possible.
We can't afford to eliminate it. It will bankrupt all airlines, tourism, cafes, restaurants etc. The amount of food being wasted by the Perth and Melbourne lockdowns alone is disgraceful, both on a financial and ethical point of view.
There will be 3rd world countries who simply will just have to live with it as they can't play the lockdown game as that will kill people through starvation and poverty
There will be 3rd world countries who simply will just have to live with it as they can't play the lockdown game as that will kill people through starvation and poverty
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which they think will take 8-10 weeks. Lindsay being Dan's best mate is asking for a little bit of cash for this to go ahead.
Why would there be? Food going out of date in restaurant freezers over the five day lockdown?
I am sure there was some but doubt that it was measureable.
The amount of food being wasted by the Perth and Melbourne lockdowns alone is disgraceful, both on a financial and ethical point of view.
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I can't help to think that Qantas will have to lay off or put 1000's of staff on standdown at the end of Jobkeeper. Virgin will finish 3000 jobs at the end of March.
I'm sure Scomo and Joyce have already had this conversation. Not seen any reporting about this topic. Unless Scomo is going to pull a rabbit out of the hat by the end of March it's gonna be a bloodbath.
I'm sure Scomo and Joyce have already had this conversation. Not seen any reporting about this topic. Unless Scomo is going to pull a rabbit out of the hat by the end of March it's gonna be a bloodbath.
Sorry? I can't speak for Melbourne but what is your source for food wasteage in Perth?
Why would there be? Food going out of date in restaurant freezers over the five day lockdown?
I am sure there was some but doubt that it was measureable.
Why would there be? Food going out of date in restaurant freezers over the five day lockdown?
I am sure there was some but doubt that it was measureable.
The seafood distributor claimed it was over a million dollars worth of produce. You can't hold seafood for over a week in your fridges.
If this continues as is then it's only the beginning. There will be bankruptcies in hospitality and tourism and if the State Governments continue with the uncertainty as to what is going on, the airlines will follow as there is no demand for travel as the population has no idea if they will be allowed to leave their home. A lock down over Easter would probably be the worst possible scenario for airlines as they are claiming that travel is looking good at that time. If all that gets shut down then it could be the beginning of the end for aviation.
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I’m not overly familiar with the respective EBAs and the technical terms surrounding them, but can’t say Virgin move staff from JobKeeper to Unpaid leave?
Virgin is bare bones as it is I don’t really see the point in laying off Domestic NG crews which is the bulk of team members.
Virgin is bare bones as it is I don’t really see the point in laying off Domestic NG crews which is the bulk of team members.
If you think things are bad now , wait till winter , especially in the south , it will spread like wildfire and then our jobs will evaporate.
The move away from jobkeeper means nothing to the companies, sure they were able to milk a little for themselves but having the staff lose jobkeeper is no skin off the companies nose .
The move away from jobkeeper means nothing to the companies, sure they were able to milk a little for themselves but having the staff lose jobkeeper is no skin off the companies nose .
For pilots it will just mean you are part time or stood down until you are made redundant or bankruptcy which ever occurs first.
I can't see any airline receiving a bail out from government regardless of circumstances.
The only real solution for airlines is for the State Governments to actually agree on not shutting the borders all the time. However it will take some significant financial shock before they are dragged kicking and screaming to that position. We only have to look at QLD, they shut down the State then expect a Federal Government handout. Until they and the general population start taking in the wallet it won't change.
I can't see any airline receiving a bail out from government regardless of circumstances.
The only real solution for airlines is for the State Governments to actually agree on not shutting the borders all the time. However it will take some significant financial shock before they are dragged kicking and screaming to that position. We only have to look at QLD, they shut down the State then expect a Federal Government handout. Until they and the general population start taking in the wallet it won't change.