All borders to reopen.

[Buster Hyman]

The state of this thread.

[Turnleft080]

Originally Posted by De_flieger

You shouldn’t be criticising the statistics presented by others when you get your own so egregiously wrong. There have been 909 deaths in Australia from covid-19 as of todays date, so if there were 33 per million cases as you state, that would imply Australia had approx 27.5 million cases of covid-19 - that every single person in Australia had been infected, which is clearly not the case. There have been 909 deaths and 28504 cases as of today, giving a death rate of 3.18% of confirmed infections. Entirely different to your statement, which is off by a factor of around 100,000.

The only alteration I would change in your paragraph is, with covid-19 not from covid-19.

[601]

with covid-19 not from covid-19.

Correct. I would like to know the numbers who have died FROM Covid-19 not with it.
A lot older blokes die with prostate cancer not from it.
There is a difference. I have not seen an explanation as to why testing positive with Covid would automatically infer that you died from Covid.

[andrewr]

Originally Posted by Bodie1

At no stage prior were Victorians warned that if they leave the state they may be subject to this type of action.

There were very clear warnings on the 20th December or earlier that:

• The situation in NSW was unpredictable
• The red zone was likely to expand
• If you travel to NSW there was a risk you would not be able to return home.

Many people ignored the warnings, but the idea that there were no warnings is false.

[Ragnor]

Well the last Covid-19 death in NSW in the last week or so they put it down to Covid as the gentleman had it in March. So that would mean if you die from any respiratory illness moving forward it could be a covid death.

[blubak]

Originally Posted by andrewr

There were very clear warnings on the 20th December or earlier that:

• The situation in NSW was unpredictable
• The red zone was likely to expand
• If you travel to NSW there was a risk you would not be able to return home.

Many people ignored the warnings, but the idea that there were no warnings is false.

100% correct,people were advised against going to nsw.
If the choice is made to go well so be it,if the circumstances or the risk changes well also so be it but if you take a risk well often the consequences are not what you expect.
Of course its very hard on the affected people but like i mentioned in a previous post there are lots of people still criticising the government now for not closing the border quickly enough so as always everyone cant be pleased.

[1A_Please]

Originally Posted by andrewr

There were very clear warnings on the 20th December or earlier that:

• The situation in NSW was unpredictable
• The red zone was likely to expand
• If you travel to NSW there was a risk you would not be able to return home.

Many people ignored the warnings, but the idea that there were no warnings is false.

Many people were in NSW seeing friends and family they had not seen all year. They were in green zones that, even now, remain Covid-free. The Victorian government's panicked actions were just another of their stuff-ups which continued today with the bizarre announcement that residents can return from Qld by road as long as they do a mad cannonball run across NSW only stopping twice for no more than 15 minutes. Good luck with that if you have kids. I wonder what the TAC thinks of this advice given it directly contradicts what they have been advertising for years!!!

[Sunfish]

1A and others, you just don't get it. This is war.

War is basically a learning situation where the side that learns and reacts fastest to new developments overpowers and destroys the opposition. This truism is encapsulated in the saying "no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy" (Helmuth Karl Bernhard von Moltke the elder).

So yes, !A,, they were in the green zone, etc. but the plan changed. Think quick! It's going to change again and again. The only constant is change.

Ever heard the old army slogan "hurry up and wait?"

[Ragnor]

Who comes up with these insane rules. Drive from QLD to VIC two stops 15 minutes what about singles do they not matter? Truck drivers can not do that much driving. Hopefully ppl do not attempt this ridiculous feat wouldn’t want to have any road accidents because of it or even worse they crash into someone else. Just another Dan Andrew’s f$&k up.

[Buster Hyman]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

Who comes up with these insane rules. Drive from QLD to VIC two stops 15 minutes what about singles do they not matter? Truck drivers can not do that much driving. Hopefully ppl do not attempt this ridiculous feat wouldn’t want to have any road accidents because of it or even worse they crash into someone else. Just another Dan Andrew’s f$&k up.

Good point. If your kids are thinking of a lucrative career, get them into Law. This will be the Motherload of litigation!!

[601]

Many people ignored the warnings, but the idea that there were no warnings is false.

There are lots of places around the world that I would not travel to before Covid even though the official travel advice was OK.
I have now added NSW and VIC to that list.
Yes I do have relation and friends in those states.

I am part of a travelling group who are looking at our next group holiday. This year is supposed to be out next big trip. However, we have decided that this time it will be within the confines of Qld.

[Ragnor]

That is your choice. There are 1000s who think different to you.

The UK and US must be pissing them self at us. I thought I was Australian not sure what we are called now. 7 cases today and it’s a state of emergency one premier having their constituents do an insane feat to get home another two premiers well one and a deputy having a war of words. I’ve lived in various parts of the world and always been defensive of Australia and how good it is to others. Never in my wildest dream I would know all the premiers names their back grounds and be so defensive about the state I live in.

[SOPS]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

That is your choice. There are 1000s who think different to you.

The UK and US must be pissing them self at us. I thought I was Australian not sure what we are called now. 7 cases today and it’s a state of emergency one premier having their constituents do an insane feat to get home another two premiers well one and a deputy having a war of words. I’ve lived in various parts of the world and always been defensive of Australia and how good it is to others. Never in my wildest dream I would know all the premiers names their back grounds and be so defensive about the state I live in.

I think the US and UK are pissing themselves..but not at us. The UK is reportedly days away from their hospital system being unable to cope.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....ticle/13031334

[kingRB]

Originally Posted by Sunfish

1A and others, you just don't get it. This is war.

War is basically a learning situation where the side that learns and reacts fastest to new developments overpowers and destroys the opposition. This truism is encapsulated in the saying "no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy" (Helmuth Karl Bernhard von Moltke the elder).

So yes, !A,, they were in the green zone, etc. but the plan changed. Think quick! It's going to change again and again. The only constant is change.

Ever heard the old army slogan "hurry up and wait?"

you misspelled Government incompetence. Nice try though.

[IWannaFly2020]

Why doesn’t all quarantine go to Howard Springs NT?? Isolated, run by the government. No city/urban interaction risk. QF could base 2-3 787’s there and reach 90% of requests. Crew stay in own dedicated hotel with facilities. Situation over. Fed government should take over the issue. Stand up SCOMO.

[currawong]

Originally Posted by Bodie1

Oh my gawd.........that graph proves that lockdowns work? So you're using Chairman Dan or Sunfish evidence now?

It must be Sunfish evidence because only a moron would present such stupidity as evidence.

I presented the graph, Bodie.

With no opinion attached, just data that people can draw their own conclusions from.

For which you call me a moron.

Nice one champ. Take a long hard look at yourself.

[Aussie Bob]

I am so sad, but I think all you folk on this forum who favour these "border closures" and other draconian measures implemented buy clueless politicians should take a long hard look in the mirror. What you will see is a fearful deluded and disturbed individual unable to accept personal responsibility. How you ever made it to a PIC position eludes me. This flu has a 99.9% survival rate amongst the healthy (have you got a class 1?). The measures you support cause more harm than good.

Sorry, but with respect, that's what I think.

[wheels_down]

Originally Posted by IWannaFly2020

Why doesn’t all quarantine go to Howard Springs NT?? Isolated, run by the government. No city/urban interaction risk. QF could base 2-3 787’s there and reach 90% of requests. Crew stay in own dedicated hotel with facilities. Situation over. Fed government should take over the issue. Stand up SCOMO.

The other carriers have said they are not flying here if that’s the only option. Air Freight corridors do need to remain open and QR/EK/SQ/CX are lifting huge volumes in and out at the moment underneath.

We can’t forgo air freight. UPS/DHL/Fedex are stretched at the moment.

Most are pretty full outbound currently. CZ are filling a 380 out of a Melbourne daily.

[De_flieger]

Originally Posted by SOPS

I think the US and UK are pissing themselves..but not at us. The UK is reportedly days away from their hospital system being unable to cope.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....ticle/13031334

Yep. And Los Angeles has changed their criteria for transporting patients to hospital in the last 24 hours or so. Paramedics have been ordered that some of the most critically ill patients that would previously undergo resuscitation attempts and transport to hospital, instead are to be pronounced dead in the field, to free up hospital resources. They've also changed the criteria for oxygen administration, reducing the circumstances and amounts for administration due to the shortage of oxygen/administration supplies and bottles, and are building emergency treatment rooms in carparks. Los Angeles issues brutal letter: do not treat dying patients
They've got some pretty big problems in the UK and USA, I doubt they are looking at Victoria or NSW and saying "wow, with 8 or 10 cases today those guys have really screwed up". Or even looking at them at all.

[SOPS]

Originally Posted by Aussie Bob

I am so sad, but I think all you folk on this forum who favour these "border closures" and other draconian measures implemented buy clueless politicians should take a long hard look in the mirror. What you will see is a fearful deluded and disturbed individual unable to accept personal responsibility. How you ever made it to a PIC position eludes me. This flu has a 99.9% survival rate amongst the healthy (have you got a class 1?). The measures you support cause more harm than good.

Sorry, but with respect, that's what I think.

It is not the flu

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...010c605d45a221