All borders to reopen.
Thanks for clarifying.
Bodie:
Let me get this straight, you actually believe what any Government says??
You reckon that 60,000 Victorians are entitled to rely on what some ex union official stooge says on TV? The epidemiologists have already told you that the pandemic is a work in progress and that the response is not going to be consistent over time.
So it’s somehow “not fair” that some people are inconvenienced by the need to act quickly to prevent further damage to Victoria? You are the entitled one.
The pandemic demands quick thinking - by Government and by individuals. Whining about inconsistencies and inconvenience as you do is not a very good look, apart from being a waste of time.
To put that another way, we were told a few hours ago that one potential infection site is Chadstone shopping mall, the other is Grain and Grape bottle shop for four shifts. Don’t you understand that the potential is there for hundreds of cases appearing after the incubation period followed by immediate lockdown of suburban melbourne again. Here’s a tip, get prepared for handling that at twelve hours notice, or are you going to act surprised and demand a weeks grace?
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You Sunfish, are nothing but an A-Grade MORON. An entitled, retired boomer. This scenario has very little effect on you. You've had your fun and this is now all about you. I dunno what the answers to this mess are but giving 60,000 Victorians 24-48 hours notice to get across a border, when clearly, they have been encouraged by various governments to get out and support the hospitality and tourism sectors is a low prick of an act.
At no stage prior were Victorians warned that if they leave the state they may be subject to this type of action. In fact, all of the messaging has been 'we're open for christmas'. 60,000 Victorians misunderstood government messaging to not leave the state? Drunk with power, no accountability. Making decisions that have huge economic and personal impact knowing that another government is picking up the tab.
You Sunfish, are nothing but an A-Grade MORON. An entitled, retired boomer. This scenario has very little effect on you. You've had your fun and this is now all about you. I dunno what the answers to this mess are but giving 60,000 Victorians 24-48 hours notice to get across a border, when clearly, they have been encouraged by various governments to get out and support the hospitality and tourism sectors is a low prick of an act.
At no stage prior were Victorians warned that if they leave the state they may be subject to this type of action. In fact, all of the messaging has been 'we're open for christmas'. 60,000 Victorians misunderstood government messaging to not leave the state? Drunk with power, no accountability. Making decisions that have huge economic and personal impact knowing that another government is picking up the tab.
Let me get this straight, you actually believe what any Government says??
You reckon that 60,000 Victorians are entitled to rely on what some ex union official stooge says on TV? The epidemiologists have already told you that the pandemic is a work in progress and that the response is not going to be consistent over time.
So it’s somehow “not fair” that some people are inconvenienced by the need to act quickly to prevent further damage to Victoria? You are the entitled one.
The pandemic demands quick thinking - by Government and by individuals. Whining about inconsistencies and inconvenience as you do is not a very good look, apart from being a waste of time.
To put that another way, we were told a few hours ago that one potential infection site is Chadstone shopping mall, the other is Grain and Grape bottle shop for four shifts. Don’t you understand that the potential is there for hundreds of cases appearing after the incubation period followed by immediate lockdown of suburban melbourne again. Here’s a tip, get prepared for handling that at twelve hours notice, or are you going to act surprised and demand a weeks grace?
To make myself clear, non essential travel where you can’t get home within 24 hours by car is a risk in this environment. Public transport, including airlines, is an unacceptable risk.
If it's unacceptable to you personally that's fine you can stay home, but we shouldn't be destroying the country just because some 60 year old+ folks are a bit rattled. It is complete madness.
Last week NSW had 51 new cases out of a population of 5 million people with 1 hospitalisation. The ENTIRE COUNTRY of 25 Million people has 26 people in hospital due to Covid. That's 0.000104% of the population with none of those are in ICU. And for that we have gone and blown the whole country up.
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Bodie 1This is the only disease I have ever heard of where you need to queue for hours to find out if you even have it. If you do, you are listed as a "case" and sent home for 2 weeks. With a 99.9% survival rate amongst the healthy, I cannot help but think that petty government officials are playing games for power with the fearful and gullible, aided and abetted by a controlled press.
And if you want to quote "science", it has always been axiomatic that in the case of illness, first the symptoms are carefully diagnosed then, and only then is a test made to confirm the symptoms. Here we are reversing things and testing healthy individuals with zero symptoms. New science? Or witchcraft?
Open the borders!
Unacceptable to whom exactly?? To the elderly, maybe. For a couple of teenagers or children I would doubt it. But that's OK we'll blown up the economy, bankrupt the state, indebted the younger generation, take away their freedoms just so you can 'feel safe'.
If it's unacceptable to you personally that's fine you can stay home, but we shouldn't be destroying the country just because some 60 year old+ folks are a bit rattled. It is complete madness.
Last week NSW had 51 cases out of a population of 5 million people. And we have gone and blown the whole country up.
If it's unacceptable to you personally that's fine you can stay home, but we shouldn't be destroying the country just because some 60 year old+ folks are a bit rattled. It is complete madness.
Last week NSW had 51 cases out of a population of 5 million people. And we have gone and blown the whole country up.
In Australia we have had policies and actions that have led to a couple of severe outbreaks spread between nursing homes, so the vast majority of deaths have been in the 70+ age group in those nursing homes. As the disease spreads more widely through the community we will get to see the toll when there is broad community spread. In the US, that has meant that approximately 1 in 6 of their recorded deaths have been in the 50-64 age bracket (not that if you are in that age bracket, you have a one in 6 chance of dying), with only(!) approximately 48,000 deaths in the 50-64 age bracket. Give or take a couple of thousand. So this idea that states are only acting to stop a bunch of frail elderly people who would likely die in the next strong breeze is a bit misleading - and that is only looking at the deaths, whereas we know a certain proportion of covid sufferers will go on to experience long term side effects.
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Sounds very much like Queensland is preparing to close their border again.
And if you want to quote "science", it has always been axiomatic that in the case of illness, first the symptoms are carefully diagnosed then, and only then is a test made to confirm the symptoms. Here we are reversing things and testing healthy individuals with zero symptoms. New science? Or witchcraft?
Border closures obviously poll very well.So expect state borders to remain closed for sometime.Also expect them to slam shut at any outbreak of COVID no matter how small.Until a vaccine arrives and people have had the chance to get vaccinated I can’t see this ending.What people think of tests or science really doesn’t matter.Border closures are a success with voters.
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Given so many people have been caught out by borders closing at such short notice, I would certainly be reluctant to travel domestically.
Domestic demand is going to fall off a cliff. Far too risky.
Domestic demand is going to fall off a cliff. Far too risky.
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Government will have every Australian willing to have the vaccination all done by October, hopefully then it will be unrestricted like the old days. If you don’t choose to have it your choice just be prepared not to be able to travel.
In other news, WA's McGowan has publicly stated that won't hesitate to put up hard borders (again) to ALL STATES at a moments notice if need be.
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/healt...eads-c-1889339
My attitude has nothing to do with age. It has everything to do with Murphy's law which, for the sake of airmanship, everyone should study. Those 60,000 Victorians have just had a practical demonstration of Murphy. So have my friends kids ( the miners) they decided to take a chance on staying a few more days after Christmas in Victoria and now have 14 days quarantine when they get back to Queensland.
To Bodie I say, if you expect life to be fair, predictable and operate in a linear fashion like a TV series, then you are in for a world of hurt.
As for Covid19, the danger comes not from lethality but logistics. It has the capability to overwhelm the healthcare system if cases peak rapidly. Then people will die of treatable conditions because they can't get timely care.
As for old people being expendable
. Victoria had 800+ people die in our second wave. We do not wish to repeat the exercise.
To Bodie I say, if you expect life to be fair, predictable and operate in a linear fashion like a TV series, then you are in for a world of hurt.
As for Covid19, the danger comes not from lethality but logistics. It has the capability to overwhelm the healthcare system if cases peak rapidly. Then people will die of treatable conditions because they can't get timely care.
As for old people being expendable
. Victoria had 800+ people die in our second wave. We do not wish to repeat the exercise.
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To Bodie I say, if you expect life to be fair, predictable and operate in a linear fashion like a TV series, then you are in for a world of hurt.