All borders to reopen.

[wheels_down]

Worked for the Public service before? That’s my source.

Having worked in the building, if your telling me a Labor premier is taking orders from some public servant ,well it sounds like your living on mars my friend. I actually nearly fell over when I read that.

Spare me the laws. Same down south. What Dan wants, is what Dan most certainly gets.

[currawong]

Originally Posted by wheels_down

Worked for the Public service before? That’s my source.

Having worked in the building, if your telling me a Labor premier is taking orders from some public servant ,well it sounds like your living on mars my friend. I actually nearly fell over when I read that.

Spare me the laws. Same down south. What Dan wants, is what Dan most certainly gets.

So you don't reckon the electorate got it wrong?

Because I certainly do.

[wheels_down]

Originally Posted by currawong

So you don't reckon the electorate got it wrong?

Because I certainly do.

Got what wrong? Who they elected? Of course it’s wrong.

[currawong]

Originally Posted by wheels_down

Got what wrong? Who they elected? Of course it’s wrong.

Indeed.

My contention is the election was won/ lost on the border issue.

When in fact the border situation was not going to change regardless of who was premier.

Due to the legislation as explained above.

And, as you contend, if it does in fact come from the premier, this -

"Opposition leader Deb Frecklington has backed the decision to close the Queensland border to NSW"

https://www.4bc.com.au/queensland-op...ge-on-borders/

"Opposition Leader Deb Frecklington has sought to distance herself from NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian's comment that she would "definitely open the border" if elected."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...rders/12819658

[rattman]

Originally Posted by currawong

Indeed.

My contention is the election was won/ lost on the border issue.

When in fact the border situation was not going to change regardless of who was premier.

Due to the legislation as explained above.

And, as you contend, if it does in fact come from the premier, this -

"Opposition leader Deb Frecklington has backed the decision to close the Queensland border to NSW"

https://www.4bc.com.au/queensland-op...ge-on-borders/

"Opposition Leader Deb Frecklington has sought to distance herself from NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian's comment that she would "definitely open the border" if elected."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...rders/12819658

Only after months of saying the border should be open or following morrision around like a puppy dog when he was saying we should reopen borders. But honestly her screw ups were the curfew plan, getting reported by her own party over a dinner party with developers or a multitude of a massive projects that were uncosted ie 4 lane bruce highway gympie to cairns. 33 billion cost but no plan on where the money was coming from, then in next breath complaining about lab taking out loans. Or the standard health policy of "clear waiting times" same policy that newman had but for some unexplainable reason if you sack 10% of Qhealth employees somehow the queues get longer. But again no actual details on how they would do it.

On the curfew plan, they announced a plan that kids of the street after 10 (depending on age) would be taken home and the parents fined. Heres something betting the kid in question would give zero ***** about, well except maybe the beating that could be on the cards. It took them a few weeks to come up with a policy about what would happen to these kids, like being taken into diversion centers, handed over a social workers etc. But in that 2 weeks the media had moved on and it was old news and they dont care about old news. This policy arguably cost them the win in the 3 townsville seats

Labor did not win, this was for the LNP to win, but the LNP lost due to themselves

One of them is lying
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nat...28-p569gg.html

from debs facebook on 10th of juneLabor’s border shambles is closing businesses and costing jobs across the state.

Businesses need certainty which is why the LNP is calling for our borders to re-open to all Australians in July.

It’s time to restart our economy and secure local jobs.

**edit** I believe for a functioning democracy you need at least 2, preferably more competent functioning parties. Hopefully the LNP figure that opposition they have 4 years where they can brainstorm policies and plans then cost them out make sure they are throroughly detailed. Then throw in the filing cabinet and then once the next election is looming they can pull them and review and modify the ones they want to take to next election. There is absolutely no reason that the oposition should be caught out with a poorly costed or a detailed plan when its fixed length. You know down the day when the election is going to be

[Section28- BE]

ex ABC News: Opposition Leader Deb Frecklington stands down as ........

Apparently, 'Dog Whistling' - don't Werk.......????

Whom, knew...... Link here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-...e-lnp/12834976

rgds all
S28- BE

a brief Extract:

Queensland's Opposition Leader Deb Frecklington says she will step down as party leader followingthe Liberal National Party's electoral defeat at the weekend.

Key points:

• Deb Frecklington has stood aside with a new leader to be appointed in coming days
• The outgoing leader says she takes responsibility for electoral defeat
• Deputy Leader Tim Mander and Broadwater MP David Crisafulli are suggested replacements

Talks about the LNP'sleadership began almost immediately after the party lost a number of seats at the state election.

Ms Frecklington declared on Saturday night she planned to continue as LNP leader but said she has since reflected on her future.

Once the final vote is tallied, Ms Frecklington said she will convene a party meeting to appoint a new leader and will not run as a candidate.

.....

[Ragnor]

Good to see Victoria on the up and up 4th day with zero. Hopefully Gladys will make the announcement tomorrow on when that hard border will drop between NSW and VIC.

[mrdeux]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

Hey I want open borders but certain states have made it political. One state just voted on it so let’s make them realize what they actually voted for and NSW be selective who comes, only NSW residents. I want to be one country but, as seen recently we are apparently not. I’m livid at the situation and how it is being handled now we will be flying to Melbourne before QLD and that to me is just wrong.

Well, she did say that Queensland hospitals were for Queenslanders, so I guess closing Sydney airport (and quarantine) to her constituents would be a reasonable extension of her own policy.

[MickG0105]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

Good to see Victoria on the up and up 4th day with zero. Hopefully Gladys will make the announcement tomorrow on when that hard border will drop between NSW and VIC.

Given what is now known about the disease's incubation period it would be foolhardy in the extreme to use a 5 day case free period as the arbiter for lifting restrictions. You'd want to look at at least 14 days case free before releasing the pigeons.

[Ragnor]

Yes I agree, considering the 111 days of being locked down I’m sure Victorians would be pleased with the immediate results and that seem to be positive. The test will be in the coming weeks when there is one or two cases and how they handle them.
Seems here in NSW we always have these annoying one or two cases that keep popping up but are well handled. It would be good if each state resident flew directly to their home state, so it’s time for WA and QLD to step up and take their residents back then NSW could escape those pesky false headlines of “covid cases rise” blah blah blah from international travelers. Other states want to block NSW from traveling I would be very happy if NSW stopped international travels that do not reside in NSW.

[Bend alot]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

Yes I agree, considering the 111 days of being locked down I’m sure Victorians would be pleased with the immediate results and that seem to be positive. The test will be in the coming weeks when there is one or two cases and how they handle them.
Seems here in NSW we always have these annoying one or two cases that keep popping up but are well handled. It would be good if each state resident flew directly to their home state, so it’s time for WA and QLD to step up and take their residents back then NSW could escape those pesky false headlines of “covid cases rise” blah blah blah from international travelers. Other states want to block NSW from traveling I would be very happy if NSW stopped international travels that do not reside in NSW.

Had the options pre Covid been able to avoid using Sydney for my flights and cruises, I would happily avoided the place like the plague.

[Turnleft080]

Regarding 4 days of zero cases today was cup day and 30 degrees. I would say two to 300,000 people would of attended beaches from
Williamstown all the way round to Rosebud maybe more. It will be interesting if all of them were tested for covid in the next 10 days.
If zero cases amongst that lot, then it is safe to say that covid is caught indoors not outdoors. Plus more than half were not wearing
masks or not properly. There lies the paradox. Dan Andrews said a few months back if you walk out your front door you will die and
kill others. All the beach goers at Bondi/Manly have also proved no cases. Must be that Vit D thing that all CHOs don't want to know
about because it's against their philosophy in fact have any health departments around the world mentioned boosting your immune
system and good gut flora.

If you sneeze does UVA/UVB obliterate and dissipate Covid, that's another good question. More tests need to be done
on this and Vit D. Sneezing indoors is so much more contagious due to no ventilation and possibly know sunlight hitting it.
I suspect the mask thing will be optional outdoors and compulsory indoors when the ring of steel goes on 11th Nov.

Everyday an English doctor does an update Dr John Campbell and let me tell you he gives you a pretty good
presser not like some of our CHOs and premiers that got know idea what their talking about. Even the WHO and Fauci at times
don't know what their talking about. That's my rant for the week.

[blubak]

Originally Posted by mrdeux

Well, she did say that Queensland hospitals were for Queenslanders, so I guess closing Sydney airport (and quarantine) to her constituents would be a reasonable extension of her own policy.

Havent heard her say that Qld tourism facilities are only for queenslanders but thats exactly what she is doing with her border closing politically motivated decisions.
Well done to the theme park operators who refused her entry last week,time it was more than all about her.
Lets see what she does when she wakes up & sees the amount of people in queensland who will not have a job to go back to in the tourism sector due to the people of other states voting with their feet & spending their tourism $ where its appreciated.

[Turnleft080]

Vic has just scored 5 ducks, going for a double hat trick tomorrow that WA bloke and the QLD matriarch must be getting worried.
What, open the border to the leper colony you must be joking?

On the contrary

The USA records 60,000 cases a day and all 50 state borders are open and the amount of
aircraft activity is frantic on Radar24 almost like a normal pre covid day.

[brokenagain]

NSW will open border with Victoria on November 23

To her credit, Hot Mess Gladys seems to be the Premier taking the most practical approach to border closures in this country.

[blubak]

Originally Posted by brokenagain

NSW will open border with Victoria on November 23

To her credit, Hot Mess Gladys seems to be the Premier taking the most practical approach to border closures in this country.

Yes i think her decisions come from dealing with reality not fantasy unlike queen p to her north.
Maybe her decision to hook up with that guy wasnt the smartest but lots of us make wrong decisions in our personal life.
It reinforces that playing politics needs to be put aside as rebuilding the country with common sense decisions is what is needed.

[Ragnor]

She is the best premier in the country. Who cares what she did or who she did in her personal life nothing illegal.

NSW is doing the best in the world. Maybe QLD and WA could take some notes

[KRviator]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

She is the best premier in the country. Who cares what she did or who she did in her personal life nothing illegal.

I don't entirely buy her line "I didn't know or care about his finances" - especially when she's reported to have told him "I don't need to know about that". To me, it sounds like she knew, or suspected he was up to something dodgy and wanted plausible deniability.

That being said, ICAC hasn't found her to 1. Have actual knowledge about ol' mate's dodginess, 2. Participated in said dodginess or 3. Been dodgy herself. So I'm happy to give her the benefit of the doubt at this point, and roundly applaud her handling of the COVID issues. I do think they screwed the pooch with the Ruby Princess, but that may well have been the wakeup call they needed to get their shyte sorted and deliver the results they have from then on.

NSW has processed more international arrivals than anyone else, has had several minor outbreaks thus far, managed to keep their borders open to every state bar one and still managed to keep the states economy plugging away. That's worthy of a in anyone's book.

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by Turnleft080

The USA records 60,000 cases a day and all 50 state borders are open and the amount of
aircraft activity is frantic on Radar24 almost like a normal pre covid day.

ExpressJet Shuts Down, Idling 3,000 Airline Workers
American Airlines begins furloughs for 19,000 workers
Airlines Near 50,000 Job Cuts as American, United Feel Squeeze
Miami Air ends operations after 29 years

And that's only for now, more expected next year because the dysfunctional US government can't provide assistance for the airline industry.

Letting the virus rip through the nation doesn't mean boom times for airlines. It's the opposite.

In comparison:
China Southern Turns Third Quarter Profit Amid Rebounding Market
How major South Korean airlines made profits during pandemic
Air New Zealand will operate 90 per cent of its pre-COVID-19 domestic schedule

Nations that took strict initial measures and dealt with the pandemic seriously are doing better and rebounding. It's obvious which path Australia should follow.

[ebt]

Originally Posted by dr dre

ExpressJet Shuts Down, Idling 3,000 Airline Workers
American Airlines begins furloughs for 19,000 workers
Airlines Near 50,000 Job Cuts as American, United Feel Squeeze
Miami Air ends operations after 29 years

And that's only for now, more expected next year because the dysfunctional US government can't provide assistance for the airline industry.

Letting the virus rip through the nation doesn't mean boom times for airlines. It's the opposite.

In comparison:
China Southern Turns Third Quarter Profit Amid Rebounding Market
How major South Korean airlines made profits during pandemic
Air New Zealand will operate 90 per cent of its pre-COVID-19 domestic schedule

Nations that took strict initial measures and dealt with the pandemic seriously are doing better and rebounding. It's obvious which path Australia should follow.

While I don't disagree with your conclusion, you fail to pick up that the key factor in all of this is government support. The USA's CARES Act provided a level of support for airlines provided they didn't furlough. That expired in October and so now the cash tap has been turned off, you'll see the US carriers now really start to pull things back where they can, while also grabbing the opportunity to make some cash where there is opportunity to do so. By comparison, China is subsidising their carriers to the hilt, Air NZ has been drawing on a government loan, and Korea has also helped to provide assistance to some carriers.