All borders to reopen.
Is Dr Borody only able to discover treatment protocols in gastroenterology? Are treatment protocols in Respiratory diseases rendered useless if found or administered by doctors from another specialty?
Don’t all treatment protocols begin life by demonstrating efficacy in a petrie dish?
Is the efficacy of a drug determined by which news or opinion outlet gives it airtime? Would the drug work if The Project or CNN interviewed Dr Borody?
Don’t all treatment protocols begin life by demonstrating efficacy in a petrie dish?
Is the efficacy of a drug determined by which news or opinion outlet gives it airtime? Would the drug work if The Project or CNN interviewed Dr Borody?
At no point I’m saying a Gastroenterologist is not able to discover treatment protocols in other fields, but have a think why a Gastroenterologist is touring a cure that a Senior Biomedical Research Fellow who did the actual petri dish study has said more work needs to be done on in order to know if the safe level of Ivermectin that can be given to humans will have an effect on the virus. Or why an Infectious Disease Professor and Clinician heading up an Australian COVID trial has said he hasn’t seen any of this supposed data, and the study from Bangladesh was of poor quality. Why do two people with more knowledge of COVID treatment and research dispute this Gastroenterologist’s statements? Why does a senior Molecular Pharmacologist at Uni of Adelaide say this:
When asked about the drug’s potential in treating coronavirus, Dr Ian Musgrave, a molecular pharmacologist from the University of Adelaide, said: “Oh no, not Ivermectin.”
“No, it‘s not a cure for COVID-19,” Dr Musgrave added.
“It works in test-tube experiments, but is unlikely to work clinically as it is hard to achieve effective plasma concentrations. No clinical trials data are available yet and in the absence of any public data, claims of the high efficacy are to be taken with a grain of salt.”
“No, it‘s not a cure for COVID-19,” Dr Musgrave added.
“It works in test-tube experiments, but is unlikely to work clinically as it is hard to achieve effective plasma concentrations. No clinical trials data are available yet and in the absence of any public data, claims of the high efficacy are to be taken with a grain of salt.”
Makes me think those sprouting Ivermectin are doing it for political or financial reasons, like the Hydroxychloroquine pushers are.
Why do two people with more knowledge of COVID treatment and research dispute this Gastroenterologist’s statements? Why does a senior Molecular Pharmacologist at Uni of Adelaide say this:
usual media loons like Rowan Dean and Miranda Devine
Lock Melburnians in. Nobody in, nobody out. Unless your freight.
Let Regional Victoria become its own state essentially. Jetstar can use Avalon to service the people of Regional Vic, use the Geelong crew. Until the people of Melbourne can control themselves.
Perhaps then they might get the message.
Let Regional Victoria become its own state essentially. Jetstar can use Avalon to service the people of Regional Vic, use the Geelong crew. Until the people of Melbourne can control themselves.
Perhaps then they might get the message.
I dont know how closed a closed border is, reading the Adelaide Advertiser on Thursday there were 12 QANTAS arrivals to Adelaide from Melbourne alone and 15 Virgin arrivals from Melbourne, there were many more arrivals from all over the place
Arnold the media are just posting what they see on airport websites or boards, which defaults to the pre covid schedule.
Idiots on morning TV the other day having a crack at a Politician because there was 20 flights a day between ML and SY. The truth is there was 2.
Idiots on morning TV the other day having a crack at a Politician because there was 20 flights a day between ML and SY. The truth is there was 2.
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Lock Melburnians in. Nobody in, nobody out. Unless your freight.
Let Regional Victoria become its own state essentially. Jetstar can use Avalon to service the people of Regional Vic, use the Geelong crew. Until the people of Melbourne can control themselves.
Perhaps then they might get the message.
Let Regional Victoria become its own state essentially. Jetstar can use Avalon to service the people of Regional Vic, use the Geelong crew. Until the people of Melbourne can control themselves.
Perhaps then they might get the message.
But that’s ok, you continue to blame the Melburnians, you and Dan will get along real well.
99% of us are doing the right thing and really love wearing masks everywhere and going in for a COVID test every time we get a cough.
I can only assume you have got lucky and live in a state with a slightly more competent Government with lower COVID numbers (for now)?
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Of the roughly 3000 active cases in Vic, 2000 or so are related to the aged care sector.
That leaves 1000 or so cases spread via other means, in a state with a population of 6.3 million. Pretty low rate of illness!
Your first concern should be how and why so many medical staff, clearly there is something wrong with PPE and or decontamination and disposal procedures. That's why ours don't want to come over and help. I hope you're not suggesting by "pretty low rate of illness" (for now) it's no big deal.
Do boarders closures work?
If we take the recovered cases and the death cases in each state we get the following death rates.
Vic 3.6%
NSW 1.7%
WA 1.4%
SA 0.87%
QLD 0.5%
If Vic proceeds at this rate of 3.6% of the remaining cases we can expect another around 300 deaths in coming days.
If we take the recovered cases and the death cases in each state we get the following death rates.
Vic 3.6%
NSW 1.7%
WA 1.4%
SA 0.87%
QLD 0.5%
If Vic proceeds at this rate of 3.6% of the remaining cases we can expect another around 300 deaths in coming days.
Poppa, I can almost guarantee if The Hotel Quarantine debacle (which has been proven to be the primary cause of the second wave) happened in a state where the weather is much better at this time of year (Queensland comes to mind) would have resulted in even less adherence to the lockdown rules and an even bigger outbreak.
Wyndam and Melton cases are trending up.
Half the wankers I’ve kicked off over the years are from Melton or Hoppers. Absolute rot of the earth destroying it for everyone else.
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UNSW Adjunct Professor Bill Bowtell, one of Australia's leading public health strategists [...] strongly advocates the kinds of measures seen in New Zealand and thinks Australia should follow their goal of eliminating community transmission."There seemed to be decisions made by the Federal and Victorian governments that they would not learn from and adopt what was going on next door in New Zealand and even closer to home in Queensland and Western Australia," he said.
"I don't think the strategies adopted by those two governments have worked out very well.
"We would have been much better off to have adopted the New Zealand approach in the first place."
In June, NSW, which had been the worst-affected state in Australia before Victoria's second wave, had three weeks without community transmission, and Mr Bowtell said that was a good target to aim for.
That could again be achieved by shifting to stricter lockdowns, like in New Zealand.
"It's like extinguishing the embers of a bushfire. It's better than waiting until the flames are 10 metres high," Mr Bowtell said.
"It is better than dealing with hundreds of new cases a day."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...s-how/12555562
"I don't think the strategies adopted by those two governments have worked out very well.
"We would have been much better off to have adopted the New Zealand approach in the first place."
In June, NSW, which had been the worst-affected state in Australia before Victoria's second wave, had three weeks without community transmission, and Mr Bowtell said that was a good target to aim for.
That could again be achieved by shifting to stricter lockdowns, like in New Zealand.
"It's like extinguishing the embers of a bushfire. It's better than waiting until the flames are 10 metres high," Mr Bowtell said.
"It is better than dealing with hundreds of new cases a day."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...s-how/12555562
FFS it’s BORDERS, not BOARDERS 
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I'm beginning to think these epidemiologists, however esteemed, are becoming unhelpful by making a running commentary. Its easy to criticise initial strategies in hindsight. Many of these scientists now appear to be relishing their time in the limelight...
But the constant differing opinions being sprouted daily just add to people's angst and spread confusion in the community.
One scientist advocating for a full lockdown for example may not demonstrate the scientific consensus. BUT that loudest voice has made it to national TV... next minute political pressure... a positive feedback loop driven by hysteria and getting further away from peer reviewed scientific consensus.
I'm not saying i'm against lockdown etc, just that IMO things in the community would be better if the media stopped giving these guys air time and instead the scientists provided their valuable insight direct to the government.
But the constant differing opinions being sprouted daily just add to people's angst and spread confusion in the community.
One scientist advocating for a full lockdown for example may not demonstrate the scientific consensus. BUT that loudest voice has made it to national TV... next minute political pressure... a positive feedback loop driven by hysteria and getting further away from peer reviewed scientific consensus.
I'm not saying i'm against lockdown etc, just that IMO things in the community would be better if the media stopped giving these guys air time and instead the scientists provided their valuable insight direct to the government.
How about this for a contrary view: Sweden's Success before the lockdowners quote the early deaths in Sweden, they admit they stuffed up on aged care. Look at Sweden's current data for this week - nothing is closed and they have way less deaths than Vic. because they now have herd immunity. The death rates per million this week in the UK and Sweden are lower than Australia.
Meanwhile in NZ and Vic. everyone who just started to get their jobs back has been slammed again. Are we going to shut down for six weeks every three months indefinitely?
People who advocate hard lockdowns are inevitably on the public payroll have suffered nothing - Vic. Public Servants just got a pay rise to rub your noses in it. Vic PS Payrise July 2020
Meanwhile in NZ and Vic. everyone who just started to get their jobs back has been slammed again. Are we going to shut down for six weeks every three months indefinitely?
People who advocate hard lockdowns are inevitably on the public payroll have suffered nothing - Vic. Public Servants just got a pay rise to rub your noses in it. Vic PS Payrise July 2020
How about this for a contrary view: Sweden's Success before the lockdowners quote the early deaths in Sweden, they admit they stuffed up on aged care. Look at Sweden's current data for this week - nothing is closed and they have way less deaths than Vic. because they now have herd immunity. The death rates per million this week in the UK and Sweden are lower than Australia.
Meanwhile in NZ and Vic. everyone who just started to get their jobs back has been slammed again. Are we going to shut down for six weeks every three months indefinitely?
People who advocate hard lockdowns are inevitably on the public payroll have suffered nothing - Vic. Public Servants just got a pay rise to rub your noses in it. Vic PS Payrise July 2020
Meanwhile in NZ and Vic. everyone who just started to get their jobs back has been slammed again. Are we going to shut down for six weeks every three months indefinitely?
People who advocate hard lockdowns are inevitably on the public payroll have suffered nothing - Vic. Public Servants just got a pay rise to rub your noses in it. Vic PS Payrise July 2020
Many/most say it is still far to early to know yet, but currently from a medical point of view Sweden is a failure of comparable neighbouring countries. Of the comparable countries the economic comparison can not be made as the data is not yet available to compare, they say comparing Sweden economy with the EU is disproportionate as tourism is not a large part of the economy unlike Italy and others.
Other points made are August is pretty much a shut down month in Sweden, it takes 70% for heard immunity (Sweden may have 20%), and the myth Sweden did not shut down anything or have much in the way of restrictions. Sweden did have restrictions, mask recommendations, travel restrictions and restaurants and bars close or reduce hours BUT mostly as recommendations (that they mostly followed).
I am not sure your advocate claim is correct.
