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Everyone will just fall off the cliff. The plan B, I suggested seamed to of worked for thousands of years. Isolate the sick and venerable, keep the healthy working.
Though isolating the healthy has never been done before in our civilisation. All governments around the world obtained these instructions from the WHO.
Here is the crux of this argument Xeptu.
The only thing I agree on in a lockdown, is locking the virus in it's nucleus stage. The WHO sat on their hands for a month. The word Covid is a red flashing light
not a master caution they should of immediately placed a 30km wall on Wuhan with a 10km transgression zone. No one goes in or out. Prohibited. That's when you can now eradicate it.
Though it jumped the wall (non wall) and it's all over the world now. That's why you cannot eradicate it. It's spread. The virus has done it's thing. Plan A cannot be accomplished.
Anyone else got a plan B. We know Andrew's gov have stuffed up, but more anger should be directed to that WHO mob.
Let me put it another way. If you came onto our private property arguing that by your presence the chance of any of us have only a 0.04% chance of dying and even then that would only be 0.00001% of the population. I would still shoot you in the face.
Sydney Airport International Arrivals 13/8/20: ANA879 (787-9/246 seats), ANZ103 (787-9/302 seats), UAL863 (787-9/252 seats), QR908 (777-300/354 seats), ETD454 (787-9/299 seats).
Melbourne International Arrivals 13/8/20: CSN321 (A330-300/284 seats)
Total capacity to the east coast: 1737 available seats. Though you could probably say only 50% of those would be filled due to social distancing.
And then there's Perth:
0 arrivals. Zero. Zip. Nada. Oh, they only allow 525 international arrivals per week anyway. Yet they have the gall to tell half the country they can't travel to WA "because we don't have Covid over here"...Maybe they should start pulling their weight.
Melbourne International Arrivals 13/8/20: CSN321 (A330-300/284 seats)
Total capacity to the east coast: 1737 available seats. Though you could probably say only 50% of those would be filled due to social distancing.
And then there's Perth:
0 arrivals. Zero. Zip. Nada. Oh, they only allow 525 international arrivals per week anyway. Yet they have the gall to tell half the country they can't travel to WA "because we don't have Covid over here"...Maybe they should start pulling their weight.
Sydney Airport International Arrivals 13/8/20: ANA879 (787-9/246 seats), ANZ103 (787-9/302 seats), UAL863 (787-9/252 seats), QR908 (777-300/354 seats), ETD454 (787-9/299 seats).
Melbourne International Arrivals 13/8/20: CSN321 (A330-300/284 seats)
Total capacity to the east coast: 1737 available seats. Though you could probably say only 50% of those would be filled due to social distancing.
And then there's Perth:
0 arrivals. Zero. Zip. Nada. Oh, they only allow 525 international arrivals per week anyway. Yet they have the gall to tell half the country they can't travel to WA "because we don't have Covid over here"...Maybe they should start pulling their weight.
Melbourne International Arrivals 13/8/20: CSN321 (A330-300/284 seats)
Total capacity to the east coast: 1737 available seats. Though you could probably say only 50% of those would be filled due to social distancing.
And then there's Perth:
0 arrivals. Zero. Zip. Nada. Oh, they only allow 525 international arrivals per week anyway. Yet they have the gall to tell half the country they can't travel to WA "because we don't have Covid over here"...Maybe they should start pulling their weight.
Caps on international passenger arrivals
National Cabinet agreed that existing caps on international passenger arrivals would continue in order to manage and maintain quarantine arrangements across jurisdictions.Until 24 October the following will apply subject to further advice on quarantine capacity:
- Sydney – limit of 350 passenger arrivals per day;
- Perth – limit of 525 passenger arrivals per week;
- Brisbane – limit of 500 passenger arrivals per week;
- Adelaide – limit of 500 passenger arrivals per week;
- Canberra, Darwin – passenger limits on each flight to be discussed with jurisdictions on a case-by-case basis;
- Hobart – no international flights
I mean its great you have a lot of available seats but really it's 350/1737 seats in Sydney. But don't let any facts get in the way
MadMax occurred in 2021
Caps on international passenger arrivals
National Cabinet agreed that existing caps on international passenger arrivals would continue in order to manage and maintain quarantine arrangements across jurisdictions.
Until 24 October the following will apply subject to further advice on quarantine capacity:
I mean its great you have a lot of available seats but really it's 350/1737 seats in Sydney. But don't let any facts get in the way
National Cabinet agreed that existing caps on international passenger arrivals would continue in order to manage and maintain quarantine arrangements across jurisdictions.
Until 24 October the following will apply subject to further advice on quarantine capacity:
- Sydney – limit of 350 passenger arrivals per day;
- Perth – limit of 525 passenger arrivals per week;
- Brisbane – limit of 500 passenger arrivals per week;
- Adelaide – limit of 500 passenger arrivals per week;
- Canberra, Darwin – passenger limits on each flight to be discussed with jurisdictions on a case-by-case basis;
- Hobart – no international flights
I mean its great you have a lot of available seats but really it's 350/1737 seats in Sydney. But don't let any facts get in the way
But the point remains WA has themselves limited international arrivals to barely 20% of Sydney's limit, despite their population being 1/3 of NSW's so they will have a disproportionately lower case count, yet they still accuse pretty much every resident of NSW/Vic of having The Pestilence and refusing them access to WA.
But the point remains WA has themselves limited international arrivals to barely 20% of Sydney's limit, despite their population being 1/3 of NSW's so they will have a disproportionately lower case count, yet they still accuse pretty much every resident of NSW/Vic of having The Pestilence and refusing them access to WA.
But, Mexico aside, the states have proven they can manage new arrivals, be that domestic travellers or international passengers. Mandatory quarantine works, and works well, when it is enforced. If that means in a Government facility, so be it. You want to travel, you have to pay for it - and that is fair I think.
Regardless of local population of each state, the above incoming number of arrivals is reasonably similar (above 100 below 500).
But each arrival has the same chance of having Covid 19, the same chance of a mild or serious case and the same chance of requiring a ICU bed. Each arrival is unknown.
We do know the total number of ICU beds, medical resources, funding, and cost of delivery across the states and territories and that is disproportional.
Fed funding (millions) for WA is $2,521 while NSW and Vic get $7,212 & $5,876 respectively.
It is clear Vic has gone into overload on it's health system, so it is logical that WA with a much smaller budget will have a much smaller ability to deal with a Covid breakout. Far less than half that of Vic given the cost of delivery in WA.
Xeptu - We can not stop arrivals of our citizens, some are being "evicted" from countries they are currently in, they need some place to go.
But each arrival has the same chance of having Covid 19, the same chance of a mild or serious case and the same chance of requiring a ICU bed. Each arrival is unknown.
We do know the total number of ICU beds, medical resources, funding, and cost of delivery across the states and territories and that is disproportional.
Fed funding (millions) for WA is $2,521 while NSW and Vic get $7,212 & $5,876 respectively.
It is clear Vic has gone into overload on it's health system, so it is logical that WA with a much smaller budget will have a much smaller ability to deal with a Covid breakout. Far less than half that of Vic given the cost of delivery in WA.
Xeptu - We can not stop arrivals of our citizens, some are being "evicted" from countries they are currently in, they need some place to go.
It is clear we are going to have border and quarantine issues for some time.
Being isolated for 2 weeks stuck in a room sucks.
But if we could group quarantine with say up to 200 people within a fixed location such as a resort it would be a lot more bearable. You could use the restaurants, bars, tennis courts or even the 9 hole golf course on some, all with the other 200 people - a little bubble. But 14 days is still a long time in that bubble.
So mix it up, have a cluster of bubbles use 4 resorts (4 day, 4 days, 3 days & 3 days) all with the same people travelling at the same time. More a mini holiday while quarantining. The resorts could be in different states. If any come down with Covid the show is over and it is lock down for 2 weeks, but that is a risk I would take. But clear this quarantine and have full access to the state you exit as if you were a local.
A trial could be set up within a state to get the logistics worked out, then expand the model nationwide as a goal to use for international arrivals. Possible to have test done before departure, results would be back before you departed the first resort. Resort staff would need to be part of the bubble possibly on a x on x off cycle.
Obviously there is much to consider and cost would be a factor, but we have some pretty good resorts scattered around this country and spending 3 or 4 days within it's walls/fences is far from feeling like doing time.
It is an alternate quarantine method that could create jobs and get the economy moving.
Being isolated for 2 weeks stuck in a room sucks.
But if we could group quarantine with say up to 200 people within a fixed location such as a resort it would be a lot more bearable. You could use the restaurants, bars, tennis courts or even the 9 hole golf course on some, all with the other 200 people - a little bubble. But 14 days is still a long time in that bubble.
So mix it up, have a cluster of bubbles use 4 resorts (4 day, 4 days, 3 days & 3 days) all with the same people travelling at the same time. More a mini holiday while quarantining. The resorts could be in different states. If any come down with Covid the show is over and it is lock down for 2 weeks, but that is a risk I would take. But clear this quarantine and have full access to the state you exit as if you were a local.
A trial could be set up within a state to get the logistics worked out, then expand the model nationwide as a goal to use for international arrivals. Possible to have test done before departure, results would be back before you departed the first resort. Resort staff would need to be part of the bubble possibly on a x on x off cycle.
Obviously there is much to consider and cost would be a factor, but we have some pretty good resorts scattered around this country and spending 3 or 4 days within it's walls/fences is far from feeling like doing time.
It is an alternate quarantine method that could create jobs and get the economy moving.
It is clear we are going to have border and quarantine issues for some time.
Being isolated for 2 weeks stuck in a room sucks.
But if we could group quarantine with say up to 200 people within a fixed location such as a resort it would be a lot more bearable. You could use the restaurants, bars, tennis courts or even the 9 hole golf course on some, all with the other 200 people - a little bubble. But 14 days is still a long time in that bubble.
So mix it up, have a cluster of bubbles use 4 resorts (4 day, 4 days, 3 days & 3 days) all with the same people travelling at the same time. More a mini holiday while quarantining. The resorts could be in different states. If any come down with Covid the show is over and it is lock down for 2 weeks, but that is a risk I would take. But clear this quarantine and have full access to the state you exit as if you were a local.
A trial could be set up within a state to get the logistics worked out, then expand the model nationwide as a goal to use for international arrivals. Possible to have test done before departure, results would be back before you departed the first resort. Resort staff would need to be part of the bubble possibly on a x on x off cycle.
Being isolated for 2 weeks stuck in a room sucks.
But if we could group quarantine with say up to 200 people within a fixed location such as a resort it would be a lot more bearable. You could use the restaurants, bars, tennis courts or even the 9 hole golf course on some, all with the other 200 people - a little bubble. But 14 days is still a long time in that bubble.
So mix it up, have a cluster of bubbles use 4 resorts (4 day, 4 days, 3 days & 3 days) all with the same people travelling at the same time. More a mini holiday while quarantining. The resorts could be in different states. If any come down with Covid the show is over and it is lock down for 2 weeks, but that is a risk I would take. But clear this quarantine and have full access to the state you exit as if you were a local.
A trial could be set up within a state to get the logistics worked out, then expand the model nationwide as a goal to use for international arrivals. Possible to have test done before departure, results would be back before you departed the first resort. Resort staff would need to be part of the bubble possibly on a x on x off cycle.
On the pro side, EK require negative PCR test for all pax before boarding - to be shown at checkin - so there are fewer positive cases travelling.
Hopefully we'll have a portable test that is reliable and returns a result in a couple of minutes. I know they're working on it. Mandatory quarantine for everyone, whether you're infected or not won't be required then. A game changer.
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When the Feds stop JobKeeper for the Tourism industry (give responsibility to the States) watch QLD relax the borders....$B100 debt and climbing which will see the Govt step down from the high ground, NT next.
WA..guessing they can’t keep making laws against Big Clive, or secede (haha)
Really, if it continues long enough, the country has to end up under Federal Control.
Anyway...hope the Ruskies are on a winner........and telling the truth!!
WA..guessing they can’t keep making laws against Big Clive, or secede (haha)
Really, if it continues long enough, the country has to end up under Federal Control.
Anyway...hope the Ruskies are on a winner........and telling the truth!!
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When the Feds stop JobKeeper for the Tourism industry (give responsibility to the States) watch QLD relax the borders....$B100 debt and climbing which will see the Govt step down from the high ground, NT next.
WA..guessing they can’t keep making laws against Big Clive, or secede (haha)
Really, if it continues long enough, the country has to end up under Federal Control.
Anyway...hope the Ruskies are on a winner........and telling the truth!!
WA..guessing they can’t keep making laws against Big Clive, or secede (haha)
Really, if it continues long enough, the country has to end up under Federal Control.
Anyway...hope the Ruskies are on a winner........and telling the truth!!
Link here: https://www.betootaadvocate.com/unca...id-19-vaccine/
'We' here, are in year #9 of a Drought and don't get out much- but, do get all our outside news ex the Diamantina's finest....., 'apparently' Scomo is acting proactively as well, and all over 'it'......
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