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Old 25th Jul 2020, 17:02
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The point being generally no-one knows if they're positive or not.
The initial "masks don't help" was about protection from getting the virus. Still correct.
Except, the reason masks are useful is stopping the unknowingly infected from spreading it.
Those who have tested positive aren't in the community.
If everyone assumes they might have the virus and acts accordingly you can have a functional society without lockdown.
In fact with that attitude shift alone the resultant infection and death rates are less than Influenza which has vaccines AND appropriate treatments.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 07:44
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Sayonara **** heads!
I for one am pleased to see that people hawking COVID conspiracy theories couldn’t get much traction here.

We can all laugh at the Flat-Earthers and their YouTube ‘research’ but in this case the community needs to be generally on the same page.

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Old 26th Jul 2020, 10:03
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Originally Posted by stickshaken
What’s really uncanny or just a coincidence is that Melbourne has had (and continues to have) the largest amount of international arrivals from China and the Middle East and so on, followed by Sydney. So it doesn’t surprise one that the rates of infection are what they are and the situation completely out of control.
You only have to sit and watch the amount of international passengers arriving into Australia to realise that we are never going to resolve the issue whilst this continues.
Just go and sit at the airport and watch the numbers arrive.

Unfortunately all at the expense of the Australian economy and airline industry which soon will be decimated beyond repair.

Maybe the root cause should be addressed. Stop all international arrivals full stop until this situation improves.

Just to put it out there ! Are the hotels rooms where people are allegedly isolated at being properly sanitized disinfected etc. I bet NOT........
I’m pretty sure mate, that they have stopped all international arrivals into Melbourne. The rest of the states, it’s not proving to be such a big issue. There are still reasons for some people to be carrying out essential overseas travel.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 12:45
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To gigi foster (economist) and her like minded supporters. You should know our loved ones on the front line and their colleagues have made their decision. We have no intention of risking our lives and adding to the existing 330 of our infected colleagues. Should PPE, supply, process and procedures be compromised in our covid clinics, it's our intention to walk away no questions asked and no answers offered. We apologise to those who are affected who are not supporters, but we have no choice, we cannot get our heads around the ones who think our defensive measures don't apply to them and put themselves and others in harms way. We are not willing to give our lives for nothing.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 13:15
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Originally Posted by stickshaken
What’s really uncanny or just a coincidence is that Melbourne has had (and continues to have) the largest amount of international arrivals from China and the Middle East and so on, followed by Sydney. So it doesn’t surprise one that the rates of infection are what they are and the situation completely out of control.
You only have to sit and watch the amount of international passengers arriving into Australia to realise that we are never going to resolve the issue whilst this continues.
Just go and sit at the airport and watch the numbers arrive.

Unfortunately all at the expense of the Australian economy and airline industry which soon will be decimated beyond repair.

Maybe the root cause should be addressed. Stop all international arrivals full stop until this situation improves.

Just to put it out there ! Are the hotels rooms where people are allegedly isolated at being properly sanitized disinfected etc. I bet NOT........
Since July 1, updated on July 23 -

"Currently, there is a diversion on all international arrivals into Melbourne Airport. Any international flights that were scheduled to land in Victoria will be diverted to other Australian cities."

https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/...ation/COVID-19

Melbourne does not need to import, it has plenty of its own...
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 21:55
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Originally Posted by currawong
Since July 1, updated on July 23 -

"Currently, there is a diversion on all international arrivals into Melbourne Airport. Any international flights that were scheduled to land in Victoria will be diverted to other Australian cities."

https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/...ation/COVID-19

Melbourne does not need to import, it has plenty of its own...


And this was as of late June before Victoria stopped accepting international arrivals, with the huge majority coming from China and the ME.

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Old 26th Jul 2020, 22:09
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To all the Victorians (and Australians) who’s financial and emotional well-being is being effected by the second wave In Victoria....

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6175196899001

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Old 26th Jul 2020, 23:01
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To all the Victorians (and Australians) who’s financial and emotional well-being is being effected by the second wave In Victoria....

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6175196899001
From the same news outlet that was crying for open borders and no lockdown the first time round. They're a fear mongering, corrupt and bias bunch that don't deserve any attention.
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Old 27th Jul 2020, 03:03
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
From the same news outlet that was crying for open borders and no lockdown the first time round. They're a fear mongering, corrupt and bias bunch that don't deserve any attention.
Yes much safer to just take the ABC feed, where apparently lockdowns are all good, except if attending ideologically-approved BLM rallies, where people are apparently protected by an aura of self-righteousness. 😐
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Old 27th Jul 2020, 03:21
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The international arrivals are plenty .
saw 2 Chinese carriers in Melbourne the other day , 3 EK 777s , SQ Cx and a Qatar freighter.
In SYD , 4 Ek 777s all passenger , SQ , CX , 3 Chinese Aircraft, more than 10 wide bodies in each port in the short time I was there to see it .
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Originally Posted by Rabbitwear
The international arrivals are plenty .
saw 2 Chinese carriers in Melbourne the other day , 3 EK 777s , SQ Cx and a Qatar freighter.
Melbourne is only accepting cargo only flights at this stage, but they are able to carry any passengers outbound; there's no restrictions with that.
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Old 27th Jul 2020, 18:21
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Originally Posted by WhisprSYD
And this was as of late June before Victoria stopped accepting international arrivals, with the huge majority coming from China and the ME.
Only bringing in Australian citizens and permanent residents! Maybe you should be looking at who your government is dishing out passports and long term visas to? The irony though is generally lost on the lefties
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Old 28th Jul 2020, 05:07
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Premier of WA doubling down on his all or nothing border approach - unlike other states opening selectively. Unless the border arrangements are reciprocal, they are basically useless anyway.

Dont expect the trans-con routes to resume before the end of the year
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Old 28th Jul 2020, 05:39
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https://iview.abc.net.au/show/offsid.../RS1908V026S00

This pandemic has now caused another pandemic which is now out of control.
It's a subject no one wants to touch. Suicide.
Andrews and Sutton just come to the microphone on the hour 11am and deliver out covid numbers only.
Last year pre-covid 726 suicides alone in Victoria.
The reason why I have linked the offsiders at time 17:20 the coroner of Victoria John Cain said,
correct me if I'm wrong, "400 since July 20". You have got to be kidding me.
If this is case then what's worse?
If we are all wearing masks then their is no reason why borders should be closed? Virus spread is very minimal.
All borders and business must open now. Now means now.
I have heard rumours that they should be closed till Christmas. That would be unrecoverable damage.
Very sorry if this is a touching subject. Reluctant even posting it. However it needs to be addressed and fixed asap.

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Old 28th Jul 2020, 06:06
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It's not a competition.
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Old 28th Jul 2020, 07:05
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/offsid.../RS1908V026S00

This pandemic has now caused another pandemic which is now out of control.
It's a subject no one wants to touch. Suicide.
Andrews and Sutton just come to the microphone on the hour 11am and deliver out covid numbers only.
Last year pre-covid 726 suicides alone in Victoria.
The reason why I have linked the offsiders at time 17:20 the coroner of Victoria John Cain said,
correct me if I'm wrong, "400 since July 20". You have got to be kidding me.
If this is case then what's worse?
If we are all wearing masks then their is no reason why borders should be closed? Virus spread is very minimal.
All borders and business must open now. Now means now.
I have heard rumours that they should be closed till Christmas. That would be unrecoverable damage.
Very sorry if this is a touching subject. Reluctant even posting it. However it needs to be addressed and fixed asap.
I understand that it’s a tragic thing, suicide, but I see another way of looking at it. They choose to end their life, but I’m not choosing to end mine if someone gives me Covid and I die.
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Old 28th Jul 2020, 08:10
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/offsid.../RS1908V026S00

This pandemic has now caused another pandemic which is now out of control.
It's a subject no one wants to touch. Suicide.
Andrews and Sutton just come to the microphone on the hour 11am and deliver out covid numbers only.
Last year pre-covid 726 suicides alone in Victoria.
The reason why I have linked the offsiders at time 17:20 the coroner of Victoria John Cain said,
correct me if I'm wrong, "400 since July 20". You have got to be kidding me.
If this is case then what's worse?
If we are all wearing masks then their is no reason why borders should be closed? Virus spread is very minimal.
All borders and business must open now. Now means now.
Without downplaying such a serious subject, in the link John Cain stated that there were 400 suicides in Vic as at July 20th for this year. That's about on par (pro rata) with the stats for the previous year (726), but I have no doubts the rate will increase as more find themselves in financial stress and other factors. It's certainly a serious issue associated with the lockdown restrictions, alongside the potential increases in alcoholism, substance abuse and domestic violence.

However, there is no rational, single solution. It's balancing act, and I reckon Australia is doing pretty well. Room for improvement? Sure, but certainly not the wooden spoon amongst the globe.
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Old 28th Jul 2020, 09:54
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They choose to end their life, but I’m not choosing to end mine if someone gives me Covid and I die.
What a despicable thing to say.

Feeling like you have no option but to kill yourself is not a choice.

Given the comorbidities of covid maybe dying of covid is a choice. You should’ve taken your vitamin D.
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Old 28th Jul 2020, 10:52
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TL8, Thanks for posting that.
It is a shocking stat that needs to see the cold light of day.

I have always harboured the view that the hushed, covered up reporting of suicides is as much about an administrations embarrassment (as is anyone would choose such an option whilst Comrade Dan was in charge), as it is about copy-cat issues. There will always be a cohort that cannot cope, that is the nature of things. But as SS3K said above, it's going to be a terrible year before it gets better.

I also agree that everyone is doing the best they can, pretty much.
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Old 28th Jul 2020, 17:10
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Originally Posted by patty50
What a despicable thing to say.

Feeling like you have no option but to kill yourself is not a choice.

Given the comorbidities of covid maybe dying of covid is a choice. You should’ve taken your vitamin D.
He is saying that if TurnLeft080’s advice is followed a person subsequently fatally infected will have been murdered. And I agree. Anyone advocating such idiocy should have the decency to become infected first if only to lend some anecdotal weight to their stance.
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