All borders to reopen.
And just to prove it is not only the yobbos who can’t follow the rules, check out the crew selfie and story in this one.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...paign=abc_news
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...paign=abc_news
Should the pax (or a crew member) subsequently test positive, it could be very awkward.
Sunfish, those effects have been explained again....and again....and again.........but some don’t seem to see the correlation. It’s ‘I’m alright jack‘ until you stub your toe/get bitten by a mozzie, it gets infected and you DIE because you couldn’t get the right antibiotics because you couldn’t get in to see a doctor or into a pharmacy. Turning up at an emergency department won’t help either.....’you are number 543 in the queue, we’ll get to you when we can.’ 24hrs later you’re dead from sepsis. Pretty simple concept really🥺🥺🥺🥺
Alarmist? Maybe but that is the fundamental ‘flattening the curve‘ reasoning.
Alarmist? Maybe but that is the fundamental ‘flattening the curve‘ reasoning.
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Forget masks and face shields. Why doesn't Dan's government issue NASA space suits with HEPA filters.
They would be cheaper than the deficit. The 6 weeks would be reduced to 3 and the curve flattened.
In fact it would be eradicated. Crazy maybe.
They would be cheaper than the deficit. The 6 weeks would be reduced to 3 and the curve flattened.
In fact it would be eradicated. Crazy maybe.
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For the morons who think “let the 1% die”, etc. The problem children, is that the mechanics of a pandemic will see the hospitals completely overwhelmed. It’s not about the. number of deaths it’s about the RATE OF CASES PRESENTING. The entire medical system gets overwhelmed and collapses. Think 100,000 people all trying to get medical attention at once at one hospital.
That means you break a leg, you die. Difficult birth you die. Heart attack you die. accident you die. There will be no medical treatment available at a all for anything. No pharmacies either. Your baby gets sick, it dies.
Under those conditions the economy stops. People don’t go to work. Food doesn’t get delivered. Power generation stops. Petrol stations close. Supermarkets can’t open. Panic, Riots, looting, crime collapse. That is what happens. You had a tiny taste a few months ago.
That is why the doctors talk about smoothing the curve, blunting the peak, etc.
You should be aware that Governments have been very carefully monitoring stuff like food and energy supplies for this reason.
That means you break a leg, you die. Difficult birth you die. Heart attack you die. accident you die. There will be no medical treatment available at a all for anything. No pharmacies either. Your baby gets sick, it dies.
Under those conditions the economy stops. People don’t go to work. Food doesn’t get delivered. Power generation stops. Petrol stations close. Supermarkets can’t open. Panic, Riots, looting, crime collapse. That is what happens. You had a tiny taste a few months ago.
That is why the doctors talk about smoothing the curve, blunting the peak, etc.
You should be aware that Governments have been very carefully monitoring stuff like food and energy supplies for this reason.
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POSITIVE TESTS IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS:
June 26 – 30
June 27 – 41
June 28 – 49
June 29 – 75
June 30 – 64
July 1 – 73
July 2 – 77
July 3 – 66
July 4 – 108
July 5 – 74
July 6 – 127
July 7 – 191
July 8 – 134
July 9 – 165
TODAY – 288
So thats 1562 cases in 2 weeks. If those 1562 are in reasonable good health then they will not die. They may get sick though they will not die.
Remember recovery rates are in the high 90% range.
We have had 4 deaths in 48 days Australia wide. VIC only 2 in the last 48 days and those deaths did have underlining conditions.
The numbers are fact. It looks like Dan wants total eradication.
It will be interesting to see what the numbers are in 2 weeks. It looks like more cases, I hope no deaths.
That could indicate the virus is weakening by herd immunity.
Stay healthy people.
June 26 – 30
June 27 – 41
June 28 – 49
June 29 – 75
June 30 – 64
July 1 – 73
July 2 – 77
July 3 – 66
July 4 – 108
July 5 – 74
July 6 – 127
July 7 – 191
July 8 – 134
July 9 – 165
TODAY – 288
So thats 1562 cases in 2 weeks. If those 1562 are in reasonable good health then they will not die. They may get sick though they will not die.
Remember recovery rates are in the high 90% range.
We have had 4 deaths in 48 days Australia wide. VIC only 2 in the last 48 days and those deaths did have underlining conditions.
The numbers are fact. It looks like Dan wants total eradication.
It will be interesting to see what the numbers are in 2 weeks. It looks like more cases, I hope no deaths.
That could indicate the virus is weakening by herd immunity.
Stay healthy people.
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POSITIVE TESTS IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS:
June 26 – 30
June 27 – 41
June 28 – 49
June 29 – 75
June 30 – 64
July 1 – 73
July 2 – 77
July 3 – 66
July 4 – 108
July 5 – 74
July 6 – 127
July 7 – 191
July 8 – 134
July 9 – 165
TODAY – 288
So thats 1562 cases in 2 weeks. If those 1562 are in reasonable good health then they will not die. They may get sick though they will not die.
Remember recovery rates are in the high 90% range.
We have had 4 deaths in 48 days Australia wide. VIC only 2 in the last 48 days and those deaths did have underlining conditions.
The numbers are fact. It looks like Dan wants total eradication.
It will be interesting to see what the numbers are in 2 weeks. It looks like more cases, I hope no deaths.
That could indicate the virus is weakening by herd immunity.
Stay healthy people.
June 26 – 30
June 27 – 41
June 28 – 49
June 29 – 75
June 30 – 64
July 1 – 73
July 2 – 77
July 3 – 66
July 4 – 108
July 5 – 74
July 6 – 127
July 7 – 191
July 8 – 134
July 9 – 165
TODAY – 288
So thats 1562 cases in 2 weeks. If those 1562 are in reasonable good health then they will not die. They may get sick though they will not die.
Remember recovery rates are in the high 90% range.
We have had 4 deaths in 48 days Australia wide. VIC only 2 in the last 48 days and those deaths did have underlining conditions.
The numbers are fact. It looks like Dan wants total eradication.
It will be interesting to see what the numbers are in 2 weeks. It looks like more cases, I hope no deaths.
That could indicate the virus is weakening by herd immunity.
Stay healthy people.
Heard imunity reauires 60% of the community to have been infected, so far Australia wide 0.032% have been infected, so I believe that theory is flawed.
There is also no evidence that the virus has mutated to be one any more or less infectious, direst quote from Prof Brett Sutton in today’s briefing.
So thats 1562 cases in 2 weeks. If those 1562 are in reasonable good health then they will not die. They may get sick though they will not die.
Remember recovery rates are in the high 90% range.
We have had 4 deaths in 48 days Australia wide. VIC only 2 in the last 48 days and those deaths did have underlining conditions.
The numbers are fact. It looks like Dan wants total eradication.
It will be interesting to see what the numbers are in 2 weeks. It looks like more cases, I hope no deaths.
That could indicate the virus is weakening by herd immunity.
Stay healthy people.
It's not just Dan that wants eradication. It's the country. Every other state (and NZ) is expecting it too, and has almost achieved it.
Notable that a full review of procedures in national quarantining of inbound returning travellers has been formally announced, as well as the cutback to the numbers. Respective governments are very aware that there are many weak links in the quarantine chain - and the security guards were the weakest.
Don’t look now, but.....
‘Unknown pneumonia’ deadlier than coronavirus sweeping Kazakhstan, Chinese embassy warns
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nia-kazakhstan
‘Unknown pneumonia’ deadlier than coronavirus sweeping Kazakhstan, Chinese embassy warns
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nia-kazakhstan
Don’t look now, but.....
‘Unknown pneumonia’ deadlier than coronavirus sweeping Kazakhstan, Chinese embassy warns
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nia-kazakhstan
‘Unknown pneumonia’ deadlier than coronavirus sweeping Kazakhstan, Chinese embassy warns
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nia-kazakhstan
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Don’t look now, but.....
‘Unknown pneumonia’ deadlier than coronavirus sweeping Kazakhstan, Chinese embassy warns
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nia-kazakhstan
‘Unknown pneumonia’ deadlier than coronavirus sweeping Kazakhstan, Chinese embassy warns
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nia-kazakhstan
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Don’t look now, but.....
‘Unknown pneumonia’ deadlier than coronavirus sweeping Kazakhstan, Chinese embassy warns
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nia-kazakhstan
‘Unknown pneumonia’ deadlier than coronavirus sweeping Kazakhstan, Chinese embassy warns
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nia-kazakhstan
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/a...scn/index.html
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Oxford epidemiologist pushes herd immunity. article in THE AUSTRALIAN 8th July. by Jacquelin Magnay
One of the worlds top epidemiologists has urged Australia to abandon a lockdown strategy against Coronavirus and look to the Swedish model
of developing herd immunity. Sanetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology in the department of zoology at the University of Oxford, says
Australia is adopting a selfish and selfish-congratulatory approach which is misguided and will have a negative long-term consequence and urged
the country to look at the latest evidence to decide it's tactics. She said the Australian government changed its approach and let the virus-which 80-90%
of the population will only get asymptotically spread naturally, with intense protections for those most vulnerable, it would in the long term help protect all
of the Australians from future viral threats and also avoid the most damaging short term economic impacts for the underprivileged.
The most recent scientific research shows that between 30-80% of the population has natural immunity to coronavirus because the body's T-cells
recognise the threat from having had other cold and flu viruses. Scientists believe having coronavirus causes people's immune systems to develop antibodies
and T-cell responses to future viruses. Professor Gupta said: " One of the reasons why I'm not worried about this virus is a running theme in research work
is how previous exposure to viruses protects you from incoming threats." She warned that suppression of the virus did not work and lockdown simply
resulted in some parts the population being more exposed to the virus when it next flared up. She said,"There is no way lockdown can eliminate the virus
and so it's not at all surprising once you lift lockdown in areas it will flare up again. That is what we are seeing in southern USA, and in Australia.
In places where it has already swept through, a proportion of people are immune and you are not seeing it come back."
She said instead of lockdowns governments should focus energies on shielding the elderly and those with comorbidities to protect them as much as possible.
Professor Gupta said countries that had closed off borders were not ensuring populations remained exposed to the virus at some point, but long term it was unsustainable.
"You can only lock down for so lock down unless you choose to be in isolation for eternity so that's not a good solution," she said.
She said Australia may think it is an effective short-term strategy but there are long term consequences. "Being self-congratulatory,'we have kept it out', is misplaced.
Professor Gupta said Sweden's measured social-distancing approach had offered greater protections for the entire region because Scandinavia now had high levels of immunity.
Professor Gupta said Swedes "have done quite well in terms of deaths". She said Denmark and Norway, which locked down and have had lower deaths rates, may yet find next wave difficult.
This now begs the question. Dan will flatten the curve, cases will slide down to a few after 6 weeks. Then the borders open, stage 3 abandoned
until another cluster breakout and hey presto we go into another 6 week lockdown. Victorians won't take that. The above article has to come into play.
One of the worlds top epidemiologists has urged Australia to abandon a lockdown strategy against Coronavirus and look to the Swedish model
of developing herd immunity. Sanetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology in the department of zoology at the University of Oxford, says
Australia is adopting a selfish and selfish-congratulatory approach which is misguided and will have a negative long-term consequence and urged
the country to look at the latest evidence to decide it's tactics. She said the Australian government changed its approach and let the virus-which 80-90%
of the population will only get asymptotically spread naturally, with intense protections for those most vulnerable, it would in the long term help protect all
of the Australians from future viral threats and also avoid the most damaging short term economic impacts for the underprivileged.
The most recent scientific research shows that between 30-80% of the population has natural immunity to coronavirus because the body's T-cells
recognise the threat from having had other cold and flu viruses. Scientists believe having coronavirus causes people's immune systems to develop antibodies
and T-cell responses to future viruses. Professor Gupta said: " One of the reasons why I'm not worried about this virus is a running theme in research work
is how previous exposure to viruses protects you from incoming threats." She warned that suppression of the virus did not work and lockdown simply
resulted in some parts the population being more exposed to the virus when it next flared up. She said,"There is no way lockdown can eliminate the virus
and so it's not at all surprising once you lift lockdown in areas it will flare up again. That is what we are seeing in southern USA, and in Australia.
In places where it has already swept through, a proportion of people are immune and you are not seeing it come back."
She said instead of lockdowns governments should focus energies on shielding the elderly and those with comorbidities to protect them as much as possible.
Professor Gupta said countries that had closed off borders were not ensuring populations remained exposed to the virus at some point, but long term it was unsustainable.
"You can only lock down for so lock down unless you choose to be in isolation for eternity so that's not a good solution," she said.
She said Australia may think it is an effective short-term strategy but there are long term consequences. "Being self-congratulatory,'we have kept it out', is misplaced.
Professor Gupta said Sweden's measured social-distancing approach had offered greater protections for the entire region because Scandinavia now had high levels of immunity.
Professor Gupta said Swedes "have done quite well in terms of deaths". She said Denmark and Norway, which locked down and have had lower deaths rates, may yet find next wave difficult.
This now begs the question. Dan will flatten the curve, cases will slide down to a few after 6 weeks. Then the borders open, stage 3 abandoned
until another cluster breakout and hey presto we go into another 6 week lockdown. Victorians won't take that. The above article has to come into play.
This theory was debunked weeks ago. The latest research reports blood clots in recovered patients in multiple organs and severe blood clotting in the deceased ones. That most likely points to a longer term ticking time bomb.