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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 04:02
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The Queensland government, or QIC, has agreed that:
“both Bain Capital and Cyrus Capital Partners - the auction's two final bidders - cut deals with the Queensland government's representatives to keep the airline based in Brisbane in return for about $200 million in benefits.”


If Queensland aren’t going to open their borders, this would appear to be a poor investment.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 05:10
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https://australianaviation.com.au/20...paign=23062020

"AUSTRALIA’S BORDER TO STAY SHUT UNTIL VACCINE FOUND, HINTS MINISTER"


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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 05:20
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And if no vaccine is found?

This is all getting ridiculous. When did ‘flatten the curve’ change to eradication? We can’t live in a bubble forever. At some point the government is going to have to have an acceptable level of risk. It’ll be no good if we eradicate coronavirus in a year or two but we’re living in our cars surviving off food stamps. The chance of most Australians catching it let alone dying from it are minute, yet the chances of ending up in major economic hardship is significant due to the destruction of not only our industry but many others.

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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 06:25
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Originally Posted by brokenagain
And if no vaccine is found?

This is all getting ridiculous. When did ‘flatten the curve’ change to eradication? We can’t live in a bubble forever. At some point the government is going to have to have an acceptable level of risk. It’ll be no good if we eradicate coronavirus in a year or two but we’re living in our cars surviving off food stamps. The chance of most Australians catching it let alone dying from it are minute, yet the chances of ending up in major economic hardship is significant due to the destruction of not only our industry but many others.
& yet NYC is now open for business & UK relaxing restrictions. Many are not taking any notice of social distancing after the protests.

This can't go on. Politicians have to be very careful now.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 07:47
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I think it is pretty clear, other than the bubble the international borders will not be open until in my guess late next year best case. The reaction to even a small at this stage breakout in Victoria and everything the feds say I present as evidence. My guess is also based on Qantas, AirNZ and most likely VA parking their big jets in the desert now. You don’t do that for anything less than 6 months. I would love to see evidence against that but I see none or a very least an overwhelming amount saying it’s all a score of zero ( not yet competent) for just about anything EDTO.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 07:55
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Not letting Australians leave the country in my opinion is quite disturbing. It feels to me like we're living in a communist country. I understand that we can't go travelling and return to Australia like nothing happened but if they can put measures in place for international students, they can put measure in place for Australians wishing to travel. There are many options!

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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 08:05
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Originally Posted by brokenagain
And if no vaccine is found?

This is all getting ridiculous. When did ‘flatten the curve’ change to eradication? We can’t live in a bubble forever. At some point the government is going to have to have an acceptable level of risk. It’ll be no good if we eradicate coronavirus in a year or two but we’re living in our cars surviving off food stamps. The chance of most Australians catching it let alone dying from it are minute, yet the chances of ending up in major economic hardship is significant due to the destruction of not only our industry but many others.
For us in NZ, it changed while we were all in lockdown. We were sold on flattening the curve, the overnight it changed to Eradication. Now every time someone tests positive while in border quarantine it’s national news (admittedly the boffins did screw up letting people out un tested).

With the election approaching (on both sides of the Tasman I believe) those in charge will continue to do what’s popular. For us, that means saint Jacinda will continue to make serious faces on TV and preach about the wellbeing of NZ citizens... until the money runs out of course, but she’ll probably be re-elected by then.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 08:22
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until the money runs out of course
Just print more money.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 08:44
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Originally Posted by Stickshift3000
The hotels I worked in as an authorised officer that housed quarantined travellers were very secure. Very little chance of getting out, let alone without being seen and caught.

The potential penalty for an individual not following the mandatory quarantine direction for overseas arrivals is nearly $20,000 (120 penalty units). All in quarantine are made ware of this on arrival.
Indeed. But not before this individual broke quarantine several times and used public transport while doing so.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...hotel/12149908

As for flattening the curve versus eradication?

Not that long ago flattening the curve was the best we dared hope for.

Eradication may just be possible short/ medium term for some nations.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 11:29
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Originally Posted by Bodie1

Just print more money.


If you're going to make smartarse/moronic comments then at least use emoji's or else far too many will take you seriously, I for one have no doubt you were aiming for humour.

You were - weren't you....

See what I did there - observation and rectification all tied up in a neat little bow!

Cheers
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 12:16
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galdian, who/how is this all to be paid for? Is the magic money fairy stumping up? It's all well and good to say 'we can't put the economy ahead of lives' but the thought process that some people have that eradication will ever be achieved defies belief.

There is no plan. If the solution to Victoria's spike in cases is to re-lock down every time there's a spike? Well, how long will that go on? Years? Decades? WA, QLD, SA and TAS will all experience new cases at some point, what are they going to do?

I'm interstate for work. I just cancelled a flight to VIC because heading down there and back here will now see me in for a 3rd two week isolation period. I'm just one person. How many of that massive sale of Jetstar fares will get cancelled and re-scheduled? And this is just one segment of the economy that is dealing with ridiculous uncertainty.

The economy will not be able to pay for this for a whole lot longer. The only solution is to..............print more money (there's your emoticon)
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 20:47
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Originally Posted by Bodie1

There is no plan. If the solution to Victoria's spike in cases is to re-lock down every time there's a spike? Well, how long will that go on? Years? Decades? WA, QLD, SA and TAS will all experience new cases at some point, what are they going to do?
100% agree. What is the plan going forward? The goal posts certainly appear to have been moved to eradication. It won’t succeed, unless those in power are happy to let their grandkids live in poverty for the rest of their lives
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 20:51
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No link link provided yet, But, EU is considering closing all their borders to Americans. If Australia truly wants eradication all international flights need to be turned back and stooped from coming. Seeing what happened in Victoria with hotel isolation, outbreaks can still occur. .
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 21:44
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What I cannot get my head around is why there have been international pax flights into Oz. Who are the Australians returning home?

Surely most intelligent Australians got home to Australia when they could have and yet they are still coming in.

This link https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...s/flights.aspx
shows arrival dates from Apr 1st into Sydney.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 23:03
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What I cannot get my head around is why there have been international pax flights into Oz. Who are the Australians returning home?

Surely most intelligent Australians got home to Australia when they could have and yet they are still coming in.

This link https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...s/flights.aspx
shows arrival dates from Apr 1st into Sydney.
People actually do work overseas. God forbid they continue to do so
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 00:36
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Bodie

Apology for maybe bad choice of words, just having some fun.

On a previous thread I had a vigorous discussion when the $60Billion error was discovered that we had "saved" that money, others felt it was there to be spent.

Just seen another person has died in Vic, total 103 nationwide. I would also note that a fair few others also died - cancer, flu, heart attacks....whatever. But we don't worry about them.

The agenda is being controlled by individuals who's mindset has changed from containment to eradication - and this is accepted and tolerated, every day we aren't getting back to "normal" is another death by a thousand cuts to the economy.

Also the two states huffing and puffing the most are Labor - the party generally with the least care about money and the greatest faith it grows on trees or left at the bottom of the garden by the money fairies.

My only thought is maybe ScoMo should clearly point out the federal government will happily assist with funding to the states - but not unreasonably primarily to the states that are helping themselves and the rest of Australia to move forward.

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Old 24th Jun 2020, 06:32
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Most states and territories have been able to make harsh decisions to bring the virus to a contained and controlled position, but not all states.

When this can not be controlled (including compliance) when cluster numbers and cases are low - what possibility will these states have with multiple large clusters and high case numbers.

I am not a believer in giving everyone "participation awards" and it is simple to over fly Victoria, at least till they get a C- for control and containment.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 10:44
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Apology for maybe bad choice of words, just having some fun.
No apology required mate, I know you were jiving but it was a good segue for me
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 10:53
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Originally Posted by stickshaken
The problem is the borders internationally have never ever been closed from day dot, it is a great misconception that Australians believe our borders are closed.

You only have to look at Flightaware to see so many internationals arrivals and departures continuing into and out of Australia. Especially from high risk countries.
Most if not all of these said flights are Cargo Only and with some of them being repatriation flights. So yes our borders are closed to tourists.
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 20:41
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What is the problem with Daniel Andrews?! This guy is so incompetent. He has sent the military away leaving only 150 thinking he has it under control.
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