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Old 17th Jun 2020, 00:36
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And looking at the heat the darling of the media Jacinda is taking today in NZ for 2 compassionate UK travers with Covid getting loose in the country makes it a good case study in bad politics in letting people back in. Sad but true.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 01:54
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Ragnor the protestors have nothing to do with the current increasing numbers. Their impact is still 7 days away

Yes they do. 9 of them are confirmed as being at the protest, the the new cases who are now testing positive can as per medical guidelines infect 2.5 people. A second wave is imminent now.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 02:31
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Where is the figure of 9 coming from? I have heard of two so far. I don’t support protesting in the middle of a pandemic and I suspect it will lead to a worldwide increase but I haven’t heard the number of 9 from Melbourne? Regardless it will further slow down getting flying again.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 09:49
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Well, not this border...

"Australians hoping for an overseas holiday have had their hopes dashed, with the Tourism Minister saying the nation's border is likely to stay closed until next year."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...tions/12365978
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 21:36
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Tasman might be an exception

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/1218661...hope-for-kiwis
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 01:54
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"Australians hoping for an overseas holiday have had their hopes dashed, with the Tourism Minister saying the nation's border is likely to stay closed until next year."


More catastrophising from the unhelpful media. If you read his actual words it is far from settled.
Asked whether that meant the border would not open until next year, he said, "I think that is more likely the case".
The reality is he just does not know.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 02:16
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If the Victorian numbers keep going the way they are, we might not even get state borders open. The various premiers have given themselves enough wiggle room to keep them closed as the proposed dates are only tentative.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 02:53
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
Yes they do. 9 of them are confirmed as being at the protest, the the new cases who are now testing positive can as per medical guidelines infect 2.5 people. A second wave is imminent now.
I do hope they didnt go to the Westfields...
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 03:46
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Seems money has now trumped the state premiers passion for health and their minders have instructed them the voters majority is now in favour of opening borders. SA, NT next QLD all fighting for tourists and uni students. All a very political game. WA will try and be tough but collapse
I’m particularly enjoying the bit when they say we will open on 17 July because then we will be able to have x weeks of seeing transmission rates. So if they go up on 16 July like they are going to keep their borders shut? You can predict what they will do pretty easy, even the when, which is about 24 hours after the first state moves.

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Old 18th Jun 2020, 04:18
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If you need any more proof this state border closure is about politics and nothing more, the WA transport minister Rita Saffioti has just blamed the slow uptake of people using Perth public transport on "mixed messages from over East". Yes, that's right, people not getting on buses in Perth is Sydney and Melbourne's fault. WTF!
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 04:44
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8.1 percent unemployment in WA might rattle the cage a little...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...ation/12368608
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 06:01
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8.1 percent unemployment in WA might rattle the cage a little...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...ation/12368608

Dont forget the 3.5 million people on Jobkeeper are recorded as employed.

Come end of September when the payments stop, these unemployment rates will most likely get seriously ugly.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 08:10
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Are job keeper payments being extended for certain industries?
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 09:12
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No! Deloitte has approach the Gov already to extend Jobkeeper for VA employees. September is when it will end.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 09:50
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
Where is the figure of 9 coming from? I have heard of two so far. I don’t support protesting in the middle of a pandemic and I suspect it will lead to a worldwide increase but I haven’t heard the number of 9 from Melbourne? Regardless it will further slow down getting flying again.
Three is the number I have read (for Victoria) but also it is being said that they didn't catch it at the protest. If that second part is true then it is trouble with a capital T. It means that out of 20000 people who attended, three at random were COVID positive. Extrapolating that, you have 750 Vic cases existing in the wild over the past fortnight. Bang. So I do hope the three +ve cases not being caught at the rally is bollocks. Having one in 20000 turning up with COVID can be put down to chance and a weighted coin, and not down to an indicator of a skyrocketing infection level since restrictions were first relaxed.

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Old 19th Jun 2020, 11:24
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This graphic from another thread, posted by exfocx is worth a look

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2562261/
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 12:39
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Originally Posted by unexplained blip View Post
Three is the number I have read (for Victoria) but also it is being said that they didn't catch it at the protest. If that second part is true then it is trouble with a capital T. It means that out of 20000 people who attended, three at random were COVID positive. Extrapolating that, you have 750 Vic cases existing in the wild over the past fortnight. Bang. So I do hope the three +ve cases not being caught at the rally is bollocks. Having one in 20000 turning up with COVID can be put down to chance and a weighted coin, and not down to an indicator of a skyrocketing infection level since restrictions were first relaxed.
with the amount of testing going on I doubt (and hope) this is the case. For some perspective, 15,000 tests yesterday and they found 4 community transmission cases (the rest attributed to contacts with known cases/hotel quarantine), and that is considered a bad day.

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Old 19th Jun 2020, 15:18
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One thing to keep in mind is the false positives that seem to be coming out which get retracted or the cases that go from unknown contact to known days later as happened in NSW with one of the weekend cases. It makes the news that day but the retractions donít.

A false positive rate of <1 in 10000 is pretty good.
They are testing huge numbers so obviously there will be hiccoughs, most of the world would consider these utterly inconsequential. We saw the consequences here after the sad death in Queensland.
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 06:56
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I agree, people need to listen and take direction. Stay home letís not ruin the hard work everyone has done in all industry's. Now is not the time to be selfish and think you can do what you like.
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 07:08
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Todayís figures from Victoria are concerning to say the least. 25 new cases and only 1 of those a returned traveller. Iím glad to see the Victorian government is being proactive but itís hard to govern idiots. Reports of people being told to isolate and then going to work or family gatherings only to infect people. Some of those had just been tested, SMH.

Victorians are risking a second wave and while Iíve been against extended border closures, surely if Victorians canít get their act together, there could be a case for border restrictions for Victorians. It would be a shame for the rest of the nation to be restricted or infected because one state doesnít get their act together.
Some, not all of us. My eldest had to get a test & we all sat tight until the negative results came back but you're right, some selfish clowns walk amongst us. We all laughed at China Dans retort to SA when they threatened to keep us out, but who's having the last "laugh" now?
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