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Old 20th Oct 2022, 07:00
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Your talking about me then , Iím currently living in a third world country and it is because itís cheap to live . Losing my job flying I could have taken family back to Australia and put them straight in government schools used free health care .
My daughter is cooking food to sell at her school to raise money for underprivileged kids in the country we live in . We donate time and money plus help out wifeís family with education and health . Teach my kids to leave a place in better shape than they find it . Iím now employed again and we kept our assets , kids in good school . We are very grateful we could live in this country and itís worked well for them and us . No issues , respect locals and their culture . There is good and bad everywhere . Only added to maintain some balance for what I find to be very aggressive and negative posts .
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 07:31
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Originally Posted by KAPAC
Your talking about me then , Iím currently living in a third world country and it is because itís cheap to live . Losing my job flying I could have taken family back to Australia and put them straight in government schools used free health care .
My daughter is cooking food to sell at her school to raise money for underprivileged kids in the country we live in . We donate time and money plus help out wifeís family with education and health . Teach my kids to leave a place in better shape than they find it . Iím now employed again and we kept our assets , kids in good school . We are very grateful we could live in this country and itís worked well for them and us . No issues , respect locals and their culture . There is good and bad everywhere . Only added to maintain some balance for what I find to be very aggressive and negative posts .
I did say it about was those that dont give a damn about those around them. From what you say you are not who Im talking about.

However its always rosy in the third world until you get sick and die or become disabled from something as simple as an inflamed appendix. I know this first hand, lost some good freinds to very simple illness. And half of those were wealthy and could afford the besy treatment available there.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 08:07
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Wealthy people die of similar diseases in Australia .
We could go on like this for years . Iím happy to give your posts balance but I do work so going to be hard keeping up .
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 08:19
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My comments were aimed not at all expats but ones that think somehow life in a third world country beats living in Australia. Just because they can do what they want due to the wealth they gathered in Aus, and don't give a damn that people are starving and living in squaler around them. But hey they are fine...
Why do you care if someone you've never even met enjoys living in the Philipines? Who made you the morals arbiter? Sounds more like you got caught being sanctimonious and are now trying to justify it. Now you're concerned about starving Filipinos? (They might be third world but they don't actually starve there.) Is there any cause you won't take up?
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 09:43
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Originally Posted by KAPAC
Wealthy people die of similar diseases in Australia .
We could go on like this for years . Iím happy to give your posts balance but I do work so going to be hard keeping up .
Not sure what you are trying to prove here, but basic stats show Australian will outlive most third world nations by 10 to 20 years, some pacific islanders can expect to live 30 years less. That is even before you take into account that births and deaths in slum conditions are rarely recorded, so the actual differences could be much higher.

Eclan, you sound like you wouldn't care that a portion of those living in these areas are doing so for illegal reasons like underaged sex and so on. But then you think having money gives you the right to do anything.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 11:34
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Im the one in Philippines. Worked hard in Oz, paid more taxes than most. Saved my Super. And now enjoy a low cost of living retirement in Philippines. Whats the problem? Many other retired ozzies here.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 11:48
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Not sure what you are trying to prove here, but basic stats show Australian will outlive most third world nations by 10 to 20 years, some pacific islanders can expect to live 30 years less. That is even before you take into account that births and deaths in slum conditions are rarely recorded, so the actual differences could be much higher.

Eclan, you sound like you wouldn't care that a portion of those living in these areas are doing so for illegal reasons like underaged sex and so on. But then you think having money gives you the right to do anything.
Again , quoting life expectancies of third world countries, using selected data to get your way . So if a fit Australian leaves Australia where average life expectancy is 75 for a male and lands in Philippines where male life expectancy is 54 he will drop dead as he steps onto the tarmac . I could argue life expectancy for an Australian male pensioner for example , could increase in the Philippines, they could afford private medical care , if he has a good partner heíd be eating fresh seafood and vegetables daily , nagged to exercise regularly . As the previous poster confirms itís a option .
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 12:42
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Envious of you expats living in the Phillipines. Donít bother trying to explain your happiness here. Former Australian expats get it. Dreary Australian suburbians perhaps not.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 14:07
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I really don’t get this whole argument. I spent 25 years overseas. 17 in Europe and 8 in the ME ( that 8 was a mistake). But I’m home now, and very happy. I really can’t see the issue… you make a choice…sometimes you do what yo have to do. And I can tell you…I paid huge taxes living in Europe for 17 years. Also thanks to working for a great company that put a lot into my pension ( superannuation fund) plus my extra contributions, I’m ok. But I was living as a “normal” person…was not not doing some “expat” life style as some imagine here.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 22:26
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Self-funded retirees should be celebrated by this country. If you had to become an expat for awhile to do that, so be it. Many of my aviation mates left Aussie unemployed and came back financially independent- now either working or enjoying the very relaxing pace of retirement.

Thereís even a book that motivates Australians abroad to invest smart and retire back home without taking a cent off the government. All within the ever changing rules of government taxation policy and investing in Australia. The Aussie Expat Ė The Luckiest Person on EarthĒ

Every young Aussie pilot I meet, I tell them go aboard. See the world and invest smart. Come back anytime, jets have proliferated here, pay is very low, and the jobs will always be here IMO.
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 10:40
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Eclan, you sound like you wouldn't care that a portion of those living in these areas are doing so for illegal reasons like underaged sex and so on. But then you think having money gives you the right to do anything.
So are you trying to say obliquely you think he's a paedophile just because he wants to live in the Philippines?

Regarding money - sounds like you have none. Are you one of these angry, socialist lefties who thinks the rich should be taxed more and the poor (you) taxed not at all while people who work harder pay for you and your freebies? Oh, and the rich should have their passports taken away if they go outside the tax zone.

I'd suggest you're on thin ice with the paedo accusation.

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Old 21st Oct 2022, 13:36
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Im yet to meet or know of a pedo here but met a couple in sydney, one being a teacher of mine. I dont understand your poison thinking. Ive been married for 28 years and she is with me here. Dont make elon musk asumptions like he made on the thai cave rescuer. Most people are good. Lets get back on topic.
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 23:24
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Love how you fight facts with "just because I haven't met one". Facts about the third world are just that, there is no balance or anything you can argue that alters that they are referred to as developing or third world for a reason. Sadly it's well known what a lot of Aussies go to the Philippines for, and it's not the weather, same as Thailand. BTW I know several survivors of the this abuse who have married Aussies living there to hopefully get out, the hubby moves back when they get sick and old as they know the deal with the health system. Get here and realise that the Australian system will help them escape their abusive husband where over there the rich pricks would just pay the police off if the wife dared to leave and even return them to the situation. I've attended when the black vans arrived and whisked them away to safety. Here, once they get a friend group they can get real help and be removed and renamed, rehoused, which is why it might take several years before they leave to trust our system is not like there. Yes there are a few expats who are good, normal and do the right thing, but from what I've seen it seems in the minority in that country. When someone says they are going to a place to escape 'draconian' rules, such as covid restrictions usually means they like the 'no rule' lifestyle and what nefarious activities it brings with it. And we are talking about expats who go to certain third world countries not expats in general.

Again , quoting life expectancies of third world countries, using selected data to get your way . So if a fit Australian leaves Australia where average life expectancy is 75 for a male and lands in Philippines where male life expectancy is 54 he will drop dead as he steps onto the tarmac . I could argue life expectancy for an Australian male pensioner for example , could increase in the Philippines, they could afford private medical care , if he has a good partner he’d be eating fresh seafood and vegetables daily , nagged to exercise regularly . As the previous poster confirms it’s a option .
Actually you show the complete lack of understanding of why the life expectancy is lower. Food standards and health regulations are lax, water quality and infrastructure is poor, medical facilities, equipment and skilled staff are lacking. So yes you could be fit and healthy, fall down the stairs on arrival and be admitted to hospital and die from something that in Australia would be an overnight stay. People live shorter lives on average because as you age you require more specialist help to stay healthy. A good friend couldn't afford his basic blood thinners OS because there was no subsidised medicine programs there and they cost over $200 a month, he was healthy and sporting. Used tried and tested local remedies that they swore by that thinned the blood, guess what died 2 years later of a massive clot. I could go onto more cases I know where burst appendices, easily fixed heart issues and a million other things will kill you prematurely, all which would be almost day procedures and a couple of bucks a month in susidised meds. I also know several doctors that volunteer their services to the third world and can tell you how un-balanced any argument about health truly is, especially in poorer Asia and Oceania.

And all these health issues are before you get to public disorder issues and such.

Again these are just facts, not trying to tell you whether to go or not, that is your decision. I'm just presenting the counter to an argument that moving to the third world is a good retirement move, or you are somehow way better off than being in Australia. There's a good chance I have family, cousins, good friends that will put you up for a night in many Asian and Oceania countries (locals) and tell you what to avoid so that your naivety doesn't kill you before the third world does.
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 23:55
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Again these are just facts,
Yes, facts like these…

Yes there are a few expats who are good, normal and do the right thing, but from what I've seen it seems in the minority in that country.
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 00:03
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I once climbed a remote mountain in the Central Phillipines and low and behold, out of the mist a WW2 bomber sat strewn over a ridge line. Twelve went into cloud and eleven came out, going onto bombing Tojo up Luzon way. I loved the adventure of the Phillipines. You were a goner of course living that kind of life and adventure, if anything went wrong, but wow you felt alive. Thereís little remote medical care but thatís your choice and you know the risks.

Funnily enough I wonder if Aussies going to Queenstown, the adventure capital of the Southern Hemisphere, realise theyíd get better medical care in the Phillipines? I donít think thereís any IC units in QT.

Salute the pprune retirees in PH. Donít be dismayed by some of the commentary here.
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 00:03
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Ok I'll apologise for that, it is an exageration, not 'fact'. Just personal experience got ahead of me, when you have dealt with the scum of the earth you can get an idea they are all like that, but there is an awful lot of them, more than you would like. There's a pretty well set up group that deals with them here in Australia, not much that can be done in the Philippines though, too much corruption involved.
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 00:06
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I once climbed a remote mountain in the Central Phillipines and low and behold, out of the mist a WW2 bomber sat strewn over a ridge line. Twelve went into cloud and eleven came out, going onto bombing Tojo up Luzon way. I loved the adventure of the Phillipines. You were a goner of course living that kind of life and adventure, if anything went wrong, but wow you felt alive. There’s little remote medical care but that’s your choice and you know the risks.

Funnily enough I wonder if Aussies going to Queenstown, the adventure capital of the Southern Hemisphere, realise they’d get better medical care in the Phillipines? I don’t think there’s any IC units in QT.

Salute the pprune retirees in PH. Don’t be dismayed by some of the commentary here.
But that is being aware of the risks, not making out that its somehow perfectly safe and normal.

I'm not going to dissuade someone from climbing Mt Everest, but if you make out its perfectly safe and akin to walking up Mt Dandenong on a warm Autumns night you have rocks inbetween the ears.

As far as the Queenstown comment, you do realise it's one town vs a whole country you are comparing there. I mean there's no ICU in Williams creek, but sure as hell you could get an air ambo there and transit to a capital city in a very short time, all covered by your insurance, or ambo membership.

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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 01:15
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Immediate admission at Bumrungraad or queued for five hours in an ambulance outside Royal Perth Hospital?
Hmmmm....? Which one should I pick?

Or, which one is third world?
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 01:23
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An Aussie holidaying in QT probably doesnít realise that come a jet boat or skiing accident, medical care would be better in metro- Manilla. Not going to argue with you and your creative scenarios as I know both places very well. QT is loaded with high-net worth Aussies avoiding tax on their foreign businesses. I take the piss out of them, exposing themselves and family to Third World medical risk for dollars they can well afford not to have.
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 01:26
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Originally Posted by WingNut60
Immediate admission at Bumrungraad or queued for five hours in an ambulance outside Royal Perth Hospital?
Hmmmm....? Which one should I pick?

Or, which one is third world?
To be fair Bumrungraad is a private hospital, RPH is a public hospital. If you have private insurance in either place you can skip ambulance queues and go to your private of choice. The major difference is in public hospitals.

The Difference Between Public and Private Hospitals in Thailand

The difference in Thailand between public and private hospitals is not so much about the quality of healthcare, especially in the larger cities, but more about ease of access and overall comfort. For a Westerner, it is easy and straightforward to make an appointment at a private clinic or hospital. A public clinic or hospital will generally require a first-time visitor to walk-in before being able to make appointments. Seeing a doctor on the same day without an appointment for a non-life-threatening condition generally requires arriving at the clinic between 6 and 7 in the morning. Once admitted to a public hospital, the conditions are much less comfortable than in a private one, with many more beds to a room, and often with outdated equipment and facilities. In rural areas, public hospitals may not have the equipment or specialists capable of handling major trauma injuries or severe illnesses. For some, this means choosing a permanent location in Thailand that allows access to Bangkok’s hospitals. For those who must make use of Thailand’s public hospital system, but want to avoid the long wait times and have access to nicer facilities, it is worth seeking out purchasing private medical services or using premium clinics within the government-run system.

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