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Old 11th Oct 2021, 06:32
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Health officials need to take a back seat now, those peopleís time in the spotlight is over, this is where the Premiers need to grow a pair and start taking control. The old witch up north still runs rings around our so called leader. She needs to be sacked.

Dr Chant must feel like a third wheel now. Itís Domís show now. I would expect her resignation fairly soon.

Great to see someone taking control.
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Old 11th Oct 2021, 06:59
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
The SA Premier: "I reckon our borders will be open by Christmas, so everyone can have family over!"
Even before the SA CHO's comments today Steven Marshall had said he would wait until vaccination rates were even across all SA Local Government Areas before easing border restrictions. Some LGAs in SA, in the Northern suburbs of Adelaide and rural areas primarily, are running about 20% behind the state average. So the Premier has a good excuse himself to not open up when the overall state average hits 80%.

Tasmania said they'd be aiming for 90% vaccinated, and the NT Chief Minister wants more than 80% to protect the territory's indigenous population. So they're all including little caveats to not open up if they deem that so.

What I think they're waiting for is NSW to be the canary in the coalmine and see how they do over the next 6 weeks. If hospitals aren't overwhelmed it'll bode well for reopening. If NSW hospitals are overwhelmed then the other states have a get out of jail card that wouldn't have had they set a firm reopening date.
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Old 11th Oct 2021, 08:01
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The only state I see holding out closures past Christmas will be WA. I can't see a reason for the East coast to remain closed, which is how much of the populace will see it. That will make it hard for any premier to keep shut and prevent dissent. McGowan is still riding on his electoral mandate, forget about WA. They will stay shut for a while yet.

Melbourne the weather has been good lately, everyone down the beach and in parks. Reminds me of the old Sunday trading rules with people out and about but shops and pubs closed. The lockdown is really only in name now, people are doing mostly what they want. I hear cars racing, doing burnouts at night as usual well past curfew. If the police are policing it they are not doing much. This is probably why the numbers are jumping up.

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Old 11th Oct 2021, 08:46
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As the rest of the world has shown, it's not about the number of infections once you move on from lockdowns and isolation. But rather the number of hospital admissions and serious illness/ deaths. Once you open up, the number of Covid-19 positive cases is no longer strictly relevant. We are probably all going to brush up against this virus in the next couple of years. Get vaccinated and stay healthy to ensure the best personal outcome from the inevitable contact.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 00:31
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Is anyone else asking the question of how does NSW decision to open on Nov 1st work in a practical sense. Presumably returning Australians can come home without a need to quarantine. What happens when 10,000 returning Australians return to Sydney and none of them live in NSW.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 00:35
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They'll spend a lot of money in NSW, for which we New South Welshmen will thank them!
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 00:38
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NSW back to normal - November 1

And there we have it folks. Quarantine-free international travel into and out of NSW from the 1st of November (2021 for the nay-sayers who would say it's not Nov 1 this year ).

Looks like you can go from Sydney to Paris before you can go to Perth. Or Brussels before you can go to Brisbane. Or Milan before you can go to Melbourne.

What a great C(o?)untry we live in.

Too bad The Dom isn't going to ban outrightunvaccinated travellers. Let other states deal with them and the risk for a change!
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NSW to scrap quarantine for international arrivals from November 1 in major policy shift

NSW will open its borders to fully vaccinated international travellers ó who will no longer need to quarantine in hotels, or at home ó from next month.

Key points:
  • Unvaccinated travellers will still have to enter hotel quarantine but there will only be around 200 spots per week
  • NSW is the first state or territory to lift the requirement for quarantine
  • People from Sydney will not be able to travel to regional NSW until November 1
In a major policy shift, Premier Dominic Perrottet announced people from his state would "be travelling to Bali before Broome" when the reforms come into effect on November 1.
People wanting to arrive in Sydney from overseas will need to show proof they've received a TGA-approved vaccine, and undertake a PCR test for COVID-19 before they board their flight. "We are opening Sydney and NSW to the world, and that date will come in on November 1. [We] will work closely with the Commonwealth to ensure protections are in place so we keep people safe [as we] rejoin the world," Mr Perrottet said.

Since March 2020 all states and territories have required all overseas passengers to quarantine in hotels, at their own expense, for 14 days. Last month, then-premier Gladys Berejiklian announced a trial of home quarantine for eligible international arrivals but her successor, Mr Perrottet, has now pressed fast-forward on this transition. NSW is the only state to announce quarantine-free international travel. All interstate borders to NSW remain closed.

"We can't live here in hermit kingdom. So many businesses [here] rely on tourism for business and trade," Mr Perrottet said. Anyone who is not fully vaccinated will still be required to enter hotel quarantine but there will only be 210 spots available per week. Tourism Minister Stuart Ayres said the November 1 date was chosen as it gave airlines two weeks to put on extra flights to NSW. The announcement comes as the state recorded 399 locally acquired COVID-19 cases and four deaths in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday. Source
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 00:39
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
Is anyone else asking the question of how does NSW decision to open on Nov 1st work in a practical sense. Presumably returning Australians can come home without a need to quarantine. What happens when 10,000 returning Australians return to Sydney and none of them live in NSW.
Also find it bizarre that Scomo said one thing but NSW said another.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 00:42
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
Is anyone else asking the question of how does NSW decision to open on Nov 1st work in a practical sense. Presumably returning Australians can come home without a need to quarantine. What happens when 10,000 returning Australians return to Sydney and none of them live in NSW.
Maybe they will rent an air bnb or go to a reasonably priced hotel. I don't think you have to prove you are a resident in NSW.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 00:54
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WA and rest of the country are in lockdown, they just don’t realize it yet!
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 01:02
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
Is anyone else asking the question of how does NSW decision to open on Nov 1st work in a practical sense. Presumably returning Australians can come home without a need to quarantine. What happens when 10,000 returning Australians return to Sydney and none of them live in NSW.
No. Just happy to see some common sense approaches finally. Now The Chairman and The Chook need to follow suit in the next few weeks and we can get on with it finally. Even WA will follow soon enough.

All the scaremongers and nay sayers will have to find another topic to bleat about!
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 01:16
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
WA and rest of the country are in lockdown, they just donít realize it yet!
I believe the remaining states won't be that far behind NSW including WA. I don't think a NSW Open International Border, at least for returning Australians will be all that meaningful until the remaining states open up. I still think it will be early next year before we see any real effect.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 01:28
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WA can stay closed I personally don’t care what happens there. QLD won’t be able to justify staying closed past their 80% target and will open. if you have seen Queen P speak lately she is slowly admitting it. Eastern states will move on, leaving WA behind and McGoose will jump up and down trying to get more air time. When he decides to open next yr it will go un noticed as we have already been enjoying what we were enjoying in 2019.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 01:28
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I donít think this new NSW policy will cause other states to open up. I think it will have the reverse effect. It gives the other states the perfect exude not to open any borders, as there is no longer an control of the virus in NSW. I really think this is the perfect excuse they need to shut the rest of the country down, not open it up.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 01:40
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
WA can stay closed I personally donít care what happens there. QLD wonít be able to justify staying closed past their 80% target and will open. if you have seen Queen P speak lately she is slowly admitting it. Eastern states will move on, leaving WA behind and McGoose will jump up and down trying to get more air time. When he decides to open next yr it will go un noticed as we have already been enjoying what we were enjoying in 2019.
I don't think any state intends to remain closed beyond 80% double dose, albeit not completely restriction free.

I admire your optimism with regard to what you think you'll be enjoying once the NSW International Border is open. I don't think anything major will occur quickly.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 01:45
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It’s better than the pessimistic forecast yourself and others have! Like Sco said, Mo if not at 80% then when?! Can’t stay closed forever. All your lord daddy had to do was improve the health system, instead, all he wanted to do was throw Barbs and carry on same as the North witch. DP wants to rejoin the world and he has my vote for that.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 01:50
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
Itís better than the pessimistic forecast yourself and others have! Like Sco said, Mo if not at 80% then when?! Canít stay closed forever. All your lord daddy had to do was improve the health system, instead, all he wanted to do was throw Barbs and carry on same as the North witch. DP wants to rejoin the world and he has my vote for that.
I don't see it as pessimistic, certainly not intended that way, I'm a realist and say it like it is. Most people I know and speak to aren't interested in overseas travel any time soon. Most want back into cruising ships, can hardly wait, but then they say they there not biting at the bit to be the first. It's about how does all that translate into a practical sense.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 01:50
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
I don't think any state intends to remain closed beyond 80% double dose, albeit not completely restriction free.

I admire your optimism with regard to what you think you'll be enjoying once the NSW International Border is open. I don't think anything major will occur quickly.

the enjoyment will be the opportunity for overseas family to travel here, in my case to see family I havenít seen for 4 years, whoíve missed the birth of both my children, and who have never met their grandkids. Something that the thousands of expats in WA, under the dictator McGowan, are unable to do. Itís not like it is a Ďreturn to normalí but itís certainly a big step in the right direction. Someone had to take the lead, NSW will be criticised by the other hypocritical premiers for not sticking to the national plan, who themselves have chucked the plan in the bin anyway. just look at the headless chickens in qld running around bumping in to each other. Bigger fools you wonít find.

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Old 15th Oct 2021, 01:57
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Victoria has announced that from midnight 19 October, fully vaccinated travellers from an orange zone will not need to quarantine. Fully vaccinated from red zone need negative test 72 hours prior to travel and another on arrival. No quarantine after negative test after arrival. This follows from Victorian health order that all airport workers (and I believe including overnighting crew) required to be vaccinated.
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Old 15th Oct 2021, 02:00
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Originally Posted by cloudsurfng View Post
the enjoyment will be the opportunity for overseas family to travel here, in my case to see family I havenít seen for 4 years, whoíve missed the birth of both my children, and who have never met their grandkids. Something that the thousands of expats in WA, under the dictator McGowan, are unable to do. Itís not like it is a Ďreturn to normalí but itís certainly a big step in the right direction. Someone had to take the lead, NSW will be criticised by the other hypocritical premiers for not sticking to the national plan, who themselves have chucked the plan in the bin anyway. just look at the headless chickens in qld running around bumping in to each other. Bigger fools you wonít find.
I agree with you on visiting family, certainly domestically. I'm optimistic that all the states will be open for that by Christmas. the rollout is on track, but of course it can't be said officially that the borders will be open, in case something goes pear shaped. The down side is that there won't be a lot of notice when that happens.
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