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Old 1st Sep 2021, 05:35
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
The biggest worry is McGowan, any real push for the commonwealth to 'punish' WA for not opening borders can only strengthen his position. With his approval ratings and some good spin he could easily push a move to secede from the commonwealth and align with more lucrative foreign trade. If you want a conspiracy look there. WA is more likely to hold the commonwealth to financial ransom than the opposite. What would the feds do without the massive boost they get from WAs mining trade.
Bring it on!

Anyone who thinks that WA always has been an always will be a net contributor to the Commonwealth is a poor student of history. And raising and running a defence force is kinda spendy.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 06:00
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McClown will be exposed for the inept leader he is, his success was on the back of literally doing nothing. Anyone can close a border keep other Australians out and ride that wave. Now that Victoria appears to be changing their rhetoric as of today they see zero covid a fantasy. no mention of it today but I would think international will be on the cards for Victorians come yrs end. Gladys reiterated 80% and international travel is on and reading an article today, FiJi wants to open with NSW in December. So we will see a few interesting political motions come December. How long will McGoose and Anna stay away try to keep convincing their ppl zero is the only way. Remember just a few hrs ago Queen P back flipped after only 24hrs on the no entry to QLD after the backlash about the NRL family’s. I bet a few QLDnrs would like to visit FiJi also!
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 06:07
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I don't understand why WA takes so much heat over this issue, SA a liberal Gov state is firm with WA, as is TAS and the NT. Why is it all about WA and QLD
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 06:11
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Anyone who thinks that WA always has been an always will be a net contributor to the Commonwealth is a poor student of history.
They have also pushed for Secession on numerous occasions since federation, one time actually having a referendum which overwhelmingly favored such. Recently public opinion has waned on the topic, but who knows, at all other times Perth was no more than a country town. Now it's a self sufficient city with a wheatbelt and thriving economy and very good ties to a certain large Asian country that would ensure no one played with the goods.

And raising and running a defence force is kinda spendy.
The Australian federal goons are the only mugs playing that game. New Zealand just keeps a token force to stop piracy in their waters and that's about it. WA could just sign up to trade vs protection deals with China and wouldn't need more than a few patrol boats, they don't have the US hang ups the rest of Australia panders to. Again McGowan has shown he leans towards Asia as partners.

I bet a few QLDnrs would like to visit FiJi also!
I'd like to visit Fiji, but even if it was open it's riddled with covid right now, you are almost 100% guaranteed to get it if you go there. You actually would be safer holidaying in Western Sydney with no mask.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 06:16
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
I don't understand why WA takes so much heat over this issue, SA a liberal Gov state is firm with WA, as is TAS and the NT. Why is it all about WA and QLD
What!!! No come back, are you seeing the light now. itís purely how they go about the border issues. WA and QLD premiers are by far the worst they literally donít care what they say or who they hurt. Marshmallow and the others know how to speak to ppl like adults. Imagine saying QLD hospitals are for QLDners come on that is just one. Other premiers donít ban their residents whilst allowing any revenue making event or person to enter freely.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 06:20
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
I don't understand why WA takes so much heat over this issue, SA a liberal Gov state is firm with WA, as is TAS and the NT. Why is it all about WA and QLD
Because your muppet of a Premier says "You're from <X> You will not enter, I don't care if you've got a dying relative, or you're a West Australian who went to <X> to bury your mother, you aren't coming back". He also says "I don't care where your National FIFO crew live, if they're from <X> you'll have to get your employees from WA, I don't care how much of a specialist they are, or how critical they are to your business, get your employees from WA, because the other's aren't coming back."

SA, Tasmania and the NT all allow compassionate travel. They all allow residents to return to SA/NT/The Apple Isle and they all allow essential FIFO crew to enter, subject to relevant restrictions.

McGowan won't.

And now, with the brouhaha about the WA hospital crisis, the reason for McGowan's antics is becoming clear. It isn't about keeping Covid out because Covid is a mean and nasty virus. It's because your health system is at crisis point without Covid. And when not if Covid gets in to WA, he's going to want to hope your health system is in a much better place than it is now!

As for Anna Stay-Away, well, there's only so many babies you can kill by refusing their mother treatment before people crack the shits. There's only so many nurses who work for NSW Health but live in Qld that you can refuse entry to before people get the shits. There's only so many NRL families you can allow entry to the state to while rejecting genuine residents trying to return home before people get the shits, and all of the above, people see right through. OF course, it doesn't help when your CHO openly admits you can buy your way into the Sunshine State, while at the same time torpedoing the AZ vaccine rollout...

I haven't seen the SA/Tasmanian/NT Government carry on like either WA or Qld have...
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 06:27
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I haven't seen the SA/Tasmanian/NT Government carry on like either WA or Qld have...
That is the crux of it, WA and QLD have sprouted some clangers and are treating this like some sort of competition for sporting events, but at the same time, restricting movement of compassionate cases.

Tasmania seems to have a fairly balanced approach with measured closures to vulnerable areas but still accessable. SA has just followed the others and kept quiet, as well as sent Delta into Melbourne and Sydney, so we can't fully forgive them. That's probably why they have stayed quiet.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 06:51
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Oh I see, well it may come as a complete surprise but SA doesn't even allow residents to return from VIC or NSW at the moment,. I really liked the nickname Marshmellow at least he hasn't been left out.
I do agree about QLD CMO torpedoing the AZ vaccine, that was just plain dumb, we don't hear about heart muscle swelling anymore from Pfizer, probably for the same reason.
The labor premiers do take a bit of crap from their liberal counterparts and the PM, it's customary for labor to reply with a headbutt, rather than a handshake, afterall it was the PM that banned them

P.S are you saying if we do the compassionate thing you'll ease up on the labor premiers, or will it still be open season.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 07:11
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I remember decades ago there was a comedy sketch that use to run on the ABC titled "how green is my cactus" all puppets with similar names ripping off our politicians and leaders, I did enjoy that show, anyone remember it.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 07:17
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
I remember decades ago there was a comedy sketch that use to run on the ABC titled "how green is my cactus" all puppets with similar names ripping off our politicians and leaders, I did enjoy that show, anyone remember it.

it still is on radioÖ I love the show.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Green_was_my_Cactus
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 07:39
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This might be what you are looking for....


Rubbery Figures.

That was the TV puppet show, 'How Green was my Cactus' is the radio show and is still going.

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Old 1st Sep 2021, 11:38
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Yep that's it both really funny shows. How badly has Craig Kelly screwed up, anyone taking bets on a single seat including his own.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 11:48
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Originally Posted by MickG0105 View Post
I would have thought it manifestly self-evident. If the Commonwealth had a power beyond those listed in s 51 to ensure that the states complied, they would exercise that power and you would see compliance. That's not happening. Draw your own conclusions.
Oh dear. Good try.

Even us nobodies can google "national implied power" or "nationhood power" or "vertical fiscal imbalance".
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 11:55
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
Because your muppet of a Premier says "You're from <X> You will not enter, I don't care if you've got a dying relative, or you're a West Australian who went to <X> to bury your mother, you aren't coming back". He also says "I don't care where your National FIFO crew live, if they're from <X> you'll have to get your employees from WA, I don't care how much of a specialist they are, or how critical they are to your business, get your employees from WA, because the other's aren't coming back."

SA, Tasmania and the NT all allow compassionate travel. They all allow residents to return to SA/NT/The Apple Isle and they all allow essential FIFO crew to enter, subject to relevant restrictions.

McGowan won't.

And now, with the brouhaha about the WA hospital crisis, the reason for McGowan's antics is becoming clear. It isn't about keeping Covid out because Covid is a mean and nasty virus. It's because your health system is at crisis point without Covid. And when not if Covid gets in to WA, he's going to want to hope your health system is in a much better place than it is now!

As for Anna Stay-Away, well, there's only so many babies you can kill by refusing their mother treatment before people crack the shits. There's only so many nurses who work for NSW Health but live in Qld that you can refuse entry to before people get the shits. There's only so many NRL families you can allow entry to the state to while rejecting genuine residents trying to return home before people get the shits, and all of the above, people see right through. OF course, it doesn't help when your CHO openly admits you can buy your way into the Sunshine State, while at the same time torpedoing the AZ vaccine rollout...

I haven't seen the SA/Tasmanian/NT Government carry on like either WA or Qld have...

well said KR -)
McClown is on par with the lunatic Andrews, both out to destroy people's hopes and dreams one way or another!
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 14:02
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
And now, with the brouhaha about the WA hospital crisis, the reason for McGowan's antics is becoming clear. It isn't about keeping Covid out because Covid is a mean and nasty virus. It's because your health system is at crisis point without Covid. And when not if Covid gets in to WA, he's going to want to hope your health system is in a much better place than it is now
Well now that you've caught on, do things he says and does make a bit more sense? He'd be an idiot to allow an excessive number of cases to develop if he knows the hospital system can't cope. Which is kind of how this whole pandemic thing kicked off.....
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 14:34
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
well said KR -)
McClown is on par with the lunatic Andrews, both out to destroy people's hopes and dreams one way or another!
how was sky news tonight?
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 06:50
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer View Post
Well now that you've caught on, do things he says and does make a bit more sense? He'd be an idiot to allow an excessive number of cases to develop if he knows the hospital system can't cope. Which is kind of how this whole pandemic thing kicked off.....
No, it does not. His CHO testified under oath that the WA health system is capable of handling 5,000 Covid cases, with, IIRC, 500 per day increase - and that was a year ago!

Originally Posted by The Federal Court of Australia
Dr Robertson estimates that for 100 new cases per day (or 1,000 active cases), 130 hospital beds and 25 ICU beds would be required, and 14 deaths expected; while for 500 new cases per day (or 5,000 active cases), 650 hospital beds and 124 ICU beds would be required, and 70 deaths expected. These numbers would remain within the capacity of the Western Australian health system to manage, but would substantially increase the burden upon the health system. Source
Fixing a health system in crisis is not a quick or easy task, and to use that as an excuse to deny people their constitutionally-guaranteed right to travel without being penalised simply because they live in a particular state is a very slippery slope - particularly when your own CHO testified under oath that your current state health system could manage with upto 500 new cases per day!

Because if that is going to be the excuse he uses to keep the border closed after the nation hits the 80% target, where does it end for him? What will the trigger be to reopen the WA border - given the WA health system is on a knifes edge without any Covid cases?
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 08:55
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Where does it end for QLD. They’re a league of their own. The dribble coming out of that pelican CMO of theirs and Queen P. They are making up $hit to scare their ppl to keep it closed.

WA may have come to their senses today they are making it mandatory for health care workers to be vaccinated by end of month for the “inevitable” arrival for delta.

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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 09:13
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I do hope everyone realizes the irony in accusing Palaszczuk and McGowan of despotism while the Liberal Premier is the one who has imposed the harshest, longest restrictions on civil liberties on her citizens in living memory. I imagine many of those criticizing QLD and WA are sitting in lockdown hammering on their keyboards with kids screaming in the background counting down the minutes to their one hour of physical exercise permitted per day.

If youíre going to accuse politicians of ineptitude, perhaps look at the place where you arenít allowed more than 5km from your house because of mismanagement. If youíre accusing politicians of acting against the will of the people, maybe avoid those who have won their respective state elections by record breaking landslides.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 09:34
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I believe 80% double dosed is sensible as I'm sure all the leaders do regardless of what they say publicly. We know the worst thing you can do is allow people to count down the days to freedom day. Not only is it crushing it's dangerous, it's most likely the reason VIC has lost control of it, someone's spreading it.

All I really want to see is that those in the food bowl and particularly the wheat belt right across across the country into western NSW, are vaccinated. Most are not, they are miles from anywhere and when they come to town you better be ready with that vaccine, or get it to them. Harvest from NOV, if it gets into those communities, it's all over, there will be more to worry about than open borders and freedoms.
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