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Old 5th Aug 2021, 01:15
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Myocarditis may be rare but it’s common enough for the FDA to put a warning on the label of Pfizer and Modernas vaccines:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/fda-...-vaccines.html
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 01:19
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Gladys is going to lock down some regional areas from 5pm. She should have put road blocks around Sydney from the start. But this softly softly approach she has, is just letting it get out of control.
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 01:20
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli View Post
ADE can occur from any vaccine. ADE occurred in vaccines trialled for both H1N1 and H5N1. I believe it was H1N1 the vaccine trial that was stopped due to the repeated occurrence of ADE.
The serious concern I have regarding these vaccines is the chance of ADE occurring once everyone has been vaccinated. A new strain e.g. "LAMBDA" or any other future strain, comes along and then the person who is vaccinated against covid19 comes into contact with the new strain or even another coronavirus and then succumbs to ADE. I think this is a very real possibility that is being ignored due to political and medical dogma, there are many medical professionals and researchers on bitchute who have spoken about ADE occurring with these vaccines.
I have an even more serious concern. A breakout strain that dwarfs all existing effects of Covid.
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 01:29
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post

Not saying in regard to the general public, just to this particular individual. The chance of Myocarditis is very low, however this guy may have had an underlying condition making him susceptible to it, therefore both covid and the Pfizer vaccine could trigger a problem.
Lots of guessing in that statement.
“Independently from vaccines, myocarditis occurs in roughly 23 per 100,000 peopleworldwide per year (we don’t have reliable figures for pericarditis). This shows us there’s a much lower risk from vaccination than exists in the population generally.”

This included an in-depth review of 145 cases of myocarditis in the European Economic Area”

”In five cases that occurred in the EEA, people died.”

would suggest not.




I’m tipping this poor “particular individual” would have beaten the door down to get him some Pfizer if he had his time again. Especially since almost all cases of vaccine related myocarditis are mild.

Basically you’re saying
IF he had some precondition that MAYBE linked the vaccine to myocarditis, he MIGHT have developed Myocarditis and MIGHt have died from it despite almoast ALL case are mild. Seems like a long shot.
but I guess you’re right. Technically the vaccine might not have saved him. He also might have been struck by a meteorite

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Old 5th Aug 2021, 01:29
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
I have an even more serious concern. A breakout strain that dwarfs all existing effects of Covid.

a very real concern seeing as this WuHu flu appears to be a bio weapon cooked up in the WuHu lab. With a little help from Fauci and others giving US funding.
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 01:40
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Ever since antibody-dependent enhancement killed two toddlers in RSV vaccine trials in the mid-1960s it has been a front-of-mind consideration for all pharmaceutical companies developing vaccines. Because ADE manifests itself promptly upon a vaccinated host being exposed to infection it is relatively easy to spot; it generally manifests itself very early in the clinical trial process. And it stops the development of a vaccine dead in its tracks.

So far there have been over 4 billion doses of COVID-19 vaccines administered globally; documented cases of ADE is what? I'm not saying that there have been no cases but where's the data?
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 01:45
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From what I've read it popped its head up in early trials of some vaccines on animals. Those vaccine paths were quickly terminated and have nothing to do with current approved vaccines, at least AZ or Pf.

So far to date, there's not evidence of ADE at all in current vaccinations, and yes studies have been conducted as it is a serious question. However there is a slim possibility of say next years strain being different, and that may or may not be an issue depending on who you ask.
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 02:23
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Lots of guessing in that statement.
“Independently from vaccines, myocarditis occurs in roughly 23 per 100,000 peopleworldwide per year (we don’t have reliable figures for pericarditis). This shows us there’s a much lower risk from vaccination than exists in the population generally.”
Not guessing, just how medicine is, it's not absolute. I'm definitely not anti vax, but just pondering why this case could be different.

In regard to Myocarditis, mild cases would probably not even be known unless you present symptoms. So the difference of numbers between diagnosed and undiagnosed would be very high. The study founded diagnosed acute Myocarditis was found in 0.9% of covid recovered males aged between 12 and 18 and the rate of vaccine related was surmised at 1/6th of that. To diagnose this you would need x-ray, echocardiogram, MRI or such and means the patient would most likely have to display symptoms without being admitted and these procedures are costly if not paid for by the study. ECG could detect abnormal rythym but that's not guaranteed. The younger folk may never know they had a case of this until they get some other issue and find scarring on the heart muscle. A bit of shortness of breath or tiredness whilst already known to be fighting a virus, you could easily over look it.

Last but important point, Myocarditis is a result or reaction to having a virus, so first you have to be in the under 30 group it mostly affects, then have a particular virus that aggravates the heart and then be in the group susceptible to this condition. So the numbers are not going to be huge, you would hope. If they were Covid would be killing young people very efficiently.

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Old 5th Aug 2021, 02:30
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
Gladys is going to lock down some regional areas from 5pm. She should have put road blocks around Sydney from the start. But this softly softly approach she has, is just letting it get out of control.
Was plenty of good evidence around the ring of steel approach in highly dense regions. Just look at Melbourne and Geelong last year. Sydney/Gong/Hunter areas no different.


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Old 5th Aug 2021, 02:37
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Looks like Victoria will lock down again.
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 02:45
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Looks like Victoria will lock down again.
Source? or are you just scaremongering again with glee from the comfort of the lucky state?
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 02:52
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot View Post
Source? or are you just scaremongering again with glee from the comfort of the lucky state?
the lucky state? Or just the state that does [email protected]&ing nothing and points fingers at others, and claims they ‘managed’ thus well.
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 02:55
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot View Post
Source? or are you just scaremongering again with glee from the comfort of the lucky state?

No. I read it here.

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...54853620d80fd8

And while we are at it, here is an example of why NSW is in so much trouble.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...each/100348962
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 03:30
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot View Post
so the news.com source you provided us is titled-

“Snap 3 day lockdown on the cards for Victoria as cases rise”.

ON THE CARDS is the give away there. It is SPECULATION.

I think you are a tosser. Let’s face it, it doesn’t effect you but for those of us who are constantly living this nightmare it would be good if you can stop contributing to the bullsh!t scaremongering.

Yep, I know the other option is I can just walk away from PPRuNe.
maybe calm down. If you aren’t at least half expecting another lockdown then you probably need to change your thinking.. especially since.

in the days leading up to the lockdown, there was one case recorded on the 14th and two cases reported on the 13th. The fifth lockdown was announced on July 14

and today..
Six locally transmitted Covid-19 cases were confirmed on Thursday morning, with three of those infections unlinked, sending contact tracers scrambling.

Two more cases, which have not been included in today’s numbers, were also announced during Thursday’s press conference. This brings the total of new cases to eight.


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Old 5th Aug 2021, 04:06
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
No. I read it here.

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...54853620d80fd8

And while we are at it, here is an example of why NSW is in so much trouble.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...each/100348962
You do seem to jump on here as soon as the daily news comes out so you can shit can the rest of the country’s performance.
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 04:42
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
I have an even more serious concern. A breakout strain that dwarfs all existing effects of Covid.
This is my concern, a breakout strain will most likely result in VADE in the vaccinated. Also no one knows for sure if these strains are a result of the vaccine itself. 87% of all Delta strain patients in Israel are fully vaccinated!
You better hope that VADE does not occur when a breakout strain occurs!
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 05:35
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It looks like that Victorian lockdown is happening, could be called this evening and extend until at least Monday.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/vict...05-p58fze.html

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Old 5th Aug 2021, 05:54
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Originally Posted by MelbourneFlyer View Post
It looks like that Victorian lockdown is happening, could be called this evening and extend until at least Monday.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/vict...05-p58fze.html
I find these drawn out decisions on lockdowns curious - no doubt the roads to Qld are busy and the flights are full. Last time they locked down Cairns was awash with Vic plates.
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Old 5th Aug 2021, 05:56
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And confirmed, Melbourne entering its 6th lockdown, expected to last a week.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/vict...05-p58fze.html
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