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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 09:26
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc View Post
Xeptu - Nothing personal, sorry if you felt that. Just trying to point out that your stats were not valid
It's got nothing to do with "feel" If you're going to "Name" someone and use statements like "No Idea" It's Personal.

The only time I would support that is when an opinion is clearly not supported by anyone.

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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 09:52
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[QUOTE=Capn Rex Havoc;11088491]Xeptu - Nothing personal, sorry if you felt that. Just trying to point out that your stats were not valid.

itsnotthatbloodyhard
[[color=#000000]But chance of a fatal clot from AZ is more like 1 in 1000 000./QUOTE]

Xeptu didn't say "Fatal", and then what is the stat for a fatal lightning strike? Anyhow, it is an irrelevant stat, because if I don't go out side during a lightning storm the chance of getting fatally struck is 0. However if I choose to be injected with Astra ..............
You are correct. Itís your choice. Choose to be a part of the solution or choose to not get vaccinated and be more likely get infected, more likely to infect others, and almost certainly ensure that the borders stay closed longer and more pilots lose their jobs.

Youíre right - itís your choice. But if you choose to not get vaccinated please donít complain about border closures.
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 10:38
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For those members of society (willing or reluctant) who choose to engage in civil disobedience as a means of protest, they should do so in the full knowledge that they will likely suffer consequences.

For any involved in aviation, they should be aware that those consequences may compromise their ASIC privilege.
..who needs the gestapo to take away our freedom to protest when we have our fellow citizens doing the job for them.

more likely get infected, more likely to infect others,
according to the CDC, being vaccinated improves neither of those things for you.

https://apnews.com/article/science-h...5ca012b5ef84d1
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 11:08
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You are being deliberately obtuse. The current reports from the CDC all emphasise the importance of being vaccinated. The vaccine is for me, the mask is for you. Don’t count on my ongoing dedication to your safety if you can’t be bothered to save yourself.
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 12:15
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I can't believe there so many idiots flying aircraft, must be the 6 or so quarts of oil i tip into each engine every few days messing up your brains. If you pilots are so scared of statistics yous better stay at home.
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 12:28
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Originally Posted by unobtanium View Post
I can't believe there so many idiots flying aircraft, must be the 6 or so quarts of oil i tip into each engine every few days messing up your brains. If you pilots are so scared of statistics yous better stay at home.

What I canít believe is the people on here that rely on flying an aircraft for an income, but seem so determined not to have a vax at every turn. I canít understand it.. but each to their own. For the record , Iím 60 my darling wife is 62, both fully vaxed with AZ and still very much alive.
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 12:45
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
Iím 60 my darling wife is 62, both fully vaxed with AZ and still very much alive.
That's not what your wife said!!!! lol, but seriously how many weeks between jabs
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 13:01
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
That's not what your wife said!!!! lol, but seriously how many weeks between jabs
12 weeks for me , 11 for My darling.
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 15:45
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Mattyj

Please attribute your quotes!

In so far as breakthrough cases are concerned, the message so far from this data appears to simply lean toward maintaining caution in the form of face masks, among other strategies. Vaccination still makes complete sense.

The CDC report actually said: The findings in this report are subject to at least four limitations. First, data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak.

The Associated Press article said:The documents were obtained by The Washington Post. As they note, COVID-19 vaccines are still highly effective against the delta variant at preventing serious illness and death.

The Provincetown outbreak and the documents highlight the enormous challenge the CDC faces in encouraging vaccination while acknowledging that breakthrough cases can occur and can be contagious but are uncommon.
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 22:31
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NSW plan.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/nsw-s-recovery-road-map-has-schools-and-hospitality-first-to-return-20210802-p58f6l.html

Outdoor dining at pubs and clubs will be allowed, gyms can reopen with strict rules and students will be back in classrooms once a majority of NSW adults are vaccinated under the state governmentís plan for how Sydney emerges from lockdown.

The long-awaited road map is yet to be publicly released, although Premier Gladys Berejiklian has begun citing targets of between 50 and 60 per cent of inoculated adults as a trigger for easing Sydneyís restrictions.
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 23:10
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2,500 airline staff stood down for two months.

Qantas and its low-cost subsidiary Jetstar will stand down 2,500 staff as the COVID border closures across Australia continue.

The airline said that the stand-down is a temporary measure to deal with a significant drop in flying caused by COVID restrictions in Greater Sydney in particular and the knock-on border closures in all other states and territories. No job losses are expected.

It said the decision will directly impact domestic pilots, cabin crew, and airport workers, mostly in New South Wales but also in other states given the nature of airline networks. Employees will be given two weeks’ notice before the stand-down takes effect, with pay continuing until mid-August.

Qantas said that income support in the form of government disaster payments will be key to helping eligible employees get through this challenging period and the Qantas Group welcomes the targeted Federal Government support offered for those stood down outside of declared

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/...ures-continue/
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 23:30
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
The long-awaited road map is yet to be publicly released, although Premier Gladys Berejiklian has begun citing targets of between 50 and 60 per cent of inoculated adults as a trigger for easing Sydneyís restrictions.
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Iíd expect cases to takeoff again soon thereafter. I hope the other states continue to firm up the border in the medium term, I see Victoria did yesterday.

All states hit 70-80% Dec 31 and letís open all the borders? I donít think itís going to play out like that. Old mate out West has other ideas.

All the Labor premiers will soon have Canberra and NSW by the balls. They will dictate what borders will open and how. Right on the edge of the Feds going to the polls.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 00:03
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All the Labor premiers will soon have Canberra and NSW by the balls. They will dictate what borders will open and how. Right on the edge of the Feds going to the polls.
Only because of the feds inaction is this the case. Too busy lining Gerry Harvey's and the Gas industry's pockets only to cheap out on vaccines. They could have been the heroes
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 00:27
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What do these premiers want to open borders? at least Gladdy has given something whether you agree or not ( I agree by the way). We have to get on with it, why should the whole country be held ransom by the ppl who dont want to take the step of getting the jab! not getting it is your choice I wont get into a debate on why you should etc however there needs to be a firm date of ops normal and if your not vaccinated its your responsibly to look after yourself. The stats of the success of the vaccine is there and cant be disputed, look for yourself who is in ICU and has died in NSW.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 00:37
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
What do these premiers want to open borders?.
This calendar year - 0 community transmission.

Next year. Who the heck knows. WA have said they want all vaccinated so donít expect a uniform approach across the nation.

It will drag on if Sydney explodes again later this year. The others will then want 90-100% before dropping the walls. Iím not expecting the dust to settle until Easter at least.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 00:47
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Only because of the feds inaction is this the case. Too busy lining Gerry Harvey's and the Gas industry's pockets only to cheap out on vaccines. They could have been the heroes
Don't forget pushing through $130 billion in defense spending quietly as the first outbreak took the headlines. Not to mention the rushed through act to force internet companies to pay for news, limiting news to Murdoch press and his cronies, further bills passed for internet censorship etc. There has been a lot pushed through by the gov while people squabble about lockdowns and vaccines, some directly affecting your ability to get the full story on things and therefor basic freedoms.

What do these premiers want to open borders? at least Gladdy has given something whether you agree or not ( I agree by the way). We have to get on with it, why should the whole country be held ransom by the ppl who dont want to take the step of getting the jab! not getting it is your choice I wont get into a debate on why you should etc however there needs to be a firm date of ops normal and if your not vaccinated its your responsibly to look after yourself. The stats of the success of the vaccine is there and cant be disputed, look for yourself who is in ICU and has died in NSW.
I live in Victoria and don't give care much for the country/borders being open as long as NSW keeps screwing it up. We are open within the state because we took it seriously and beat it. I agree go get vaccinated and its all a non event. The removalist debacle proved that open borders don't work, because uneducated people do uneducated things, and put other communities at risk.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 00:55
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
because uneducated people do uneducated things, and put other communities at risk.
This has been occurring for 100s of yrs, do we punish the nation?!
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 01:00
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because uneducated people do uneducated things, and put other communities at risk.
I thought that there would be a lot of "educated" people on this forum.
Sadly I have changed my mind.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 01:15
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Of the vaccine programme, 4 Corners reports the federal govt was so confident in Jan/ Feb this year that by taking charge of the rollout they fully expected to gain political mileage. Not working so well, that plan. As for the NSW 50-60% open up plan, even if termed as easing restrictions, really? Late to lock down, early to open up. Sorry premier, you may have afforded your state, and in turn the nation, that luxury or privilege to ease restrictions at 50-60% vaccinated had you locked down early and contained the spread. You didn't. Don't kid yourself an early mark will work here.

Its a public health crisis leading to an economic crisis not the other way round. You fix it in that order.
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Old 3rd Aug 2021, 01:17
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This has been occurring for 100s of yrs, do we punish the nation?!
Why do we have laws at all, speed limits, road rules, boat licencing, fishing licences, OH&S rules, bans on fireworks, bans on guns, can't drive my tank around town and shoot ducks with it etc.... We have paid with freedom for many years for the stupidity of others, this is just a more obvious one. Some laws are because of crime, some laws are because of the uneducated and stupid. A few years back I could hammer around the bay in a quite large cruiser with no license at all, was like this for years, then a few twats with JetSkis decided to ram swimmers and cause mayhem and bang, I need a licence, despite having over 1000 hours driving watercraft. So yes, we suffer fools everyday, and since time began.
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