All borders to reopen.
there should be NO measures when we have high vaccination rates. NONE.
I'm 100% pro vaccine, but you have to give the population at large the carrot. Because there will be the need for boosters. If a vaccine doesn't equal reopening, people will not come out to get it.
UK Figures - Source
88% have had their first dose
70% have had their second dose
29,000 people tested positive today and;
28 people died
The "equivalent" Australian figures:
11,000 new cases and;
10 deaths.
So, given previous statements and actions by respective Governments in Australia - of all persuasions - does anyone honestly thing that (no restrictions) will occur? If you do, I've got a bridge with an awesome view I can sell you cheap...
U might also look at the uk for the possible or likely future of international travel, regarding testing, and what happens if you test positive while away, the cost, the traffic light system which like our borders can change or lockdown overnight. And the queues on arrival due to various reasons like their track and trace app. Don’t think the road back to international travel is going to be quick.
Except if you consider the results of the UK, with current vaccination percentages, cases & deaths, and apply them to Australia you'll get:
UK Figures - Source
88% have had their first dose
70% have had their second dose
29,000 people tested positive today and;
28 people died
The "equivalent" Australian figures:
11,000 new cases and;
10 deaths.
So, given previous statements and actions by respective Governments in Australia - of all persuasions - does anyone honestly thing that (no restrictions) will occur? If you do, I've got a bridge with an awesome view I can sell you cheap...
UK Figures - Source
88% have had their first dose
70% have had their second dose
29,000 people tested positive today and;
28 people died
The "equivalent" Australian figures:
11,000 new cases and;
10 deaths.
So, given previous statements and actions by respective Governments in Australia - of all persuasions - does anyone honestly thing that (no restrictions) will occur? If you do, I've got a bridge with an awesome view I can sell you cheap...
what will happen and what SHOULD happen are often not the same.
but if we get to those rates and Gladys brings in another lockdown then there will be more than 5000 protesting, and I will be one of them. And I am tired of every friggin death being reported. 28 died in the uk in a day of WuHu flu. How many die of normal flu in the uk per day. Were ANY of those deaths EVER reported on an individual basis.
I'm well aware, I don't think any of the states are all that prepared, they don't want to spend the money on something that might not happen.
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Just like to compare a few facts.
This time last year Melbourne was in Lockdown 2.
On this day last year 26/07/20, Melbourne recorded 453 cases and 10 deaths. Melbourne averaged about 15 deaths per day throughout the lockdown period.
Today with this real beast of a strain called Delta, Sydney record 145 cases 51 in community, 2 deaths, 10 in total since the lockdown started.
That's by eyeballing the graphs on worldometers, and add Sydney's claytons lockdown compared to Melbourne.
What do make of that. Comparatively shouldn't deaths be at least 20 a day. Which proves the Delta is not as deadly as the Wuhan.
Could of fooled me. Therefore I can conclude, the words spoken at every press conference are nothing but a fear, shock and awe show.
I have just put the entire NSW health department (the one Gladys relies on) in check, by just looking at a graph open to all.
This time last year Melbourne was in Lockdown 2.
On this day last year 26/07/20, Melbourne recorded 453 cases and 10 deaths. Melbourne averaged about 15 deaths per day throughout the lockdown period.
Today with this real beast of a strain called Delta, Sydney record 145 cases 51 in community, 2 deaths, 10 in total since the lockdown started.
That's by eyeballing the graphs on worldometers, and add Sydney's claytons lockdown compared to Melbourne.
What do make of that. Comparatively shouldn't deaths be at least 20 a day. Which proves the Delta is not as deadly as the Wuhan.
Could of fooled me. Therefore I can conclude, the words spoken at every press conference are nothing but a fear, shock and awe show.
I have just put the entire NSW health department (the one Gladys relies on) in check, by just looking at a graph open to all.
What do anniversary dates have to do with your comparison? The delta strain mortality rate may indeed be lower, but since deaths lag cases by a few weeks it is too early to tell. Also the current outbreak may be infecting a different demographic since lots of the really vulnerable have in fact been vaccinated.
Either way, I cannot see lockdowns once we have passed some (arbitrary, politically expedient) vaccination uptake. In our well-intentioned drive to zero cases we have set the stage for covid hysteria and given the government a really convenient threat to protect us from.
Either way, I cannot see lockdowns once we have passed some (arbitrary, politically expedient) vaccination uptake. In our well-intentioned drive to zero cases we have set the stage for covid hysteria and given the government a really convenient threat to protect us from.
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I thought 1500 a day sounded like a lot!!!
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What do anniversary dates have to do with your comparison? The delta strain mortality rate may indeed be lower, but since deaths lag cases by a few weeks it is too early to tell. Also the current outbreak may be infecting a different demographic since lots of the really vulnerable have in fact been vaccinated.
Either way, I cannot see lockdowns once we have passed some (arbitrary, politically expedient) vaccination uptake. In our well-intentioned drive to zero cases we have set the stage for covid hysteria and given the government a really convenient threat to protect us from.
Either way, I cannot see lockdowns once we have passed some (arbitrary, politically expedient) vaccination uptake. In our well-intentioned drive to zero cases we have set the stage for covid hysteria and given the government a really convenient threat to protect us from.
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Because at the end of the day, every death is tragic regardless of the cause
If every death is a tragedy, then life isn’t worth living
Just like to compare a few facts.This time last year Melbourne was in Lockdown 2.On this day last year 26/07/20, Melbourne recorded 453 cases and 10 deaths. Melbourne averaged about 15 deaths per day throughout the lockdown period.Today with this real beast of a strain called Delta, Sydney record 145 cases 51 in community, 2 deaths, 10 in total since the lockdown started.That's by eyeballing the graphs on worldometers, and add Sydney's claytons lockdown compared to Melbourne. What do make of that. Comparatively shouldn't deaths be at least 20 a day.
Finally, if you were seeing 10 deaths from 453 cases last year why would you now be expecting to see 20 deaths from 145 cases - that's a better than sixfold increase in the case fatality rate.
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As someone else said the demographics are very different in this NSW outbreak.
VIC had many in aged care and unvaccinated. NSW has managed to shield them / vaccinate them.
There are roughly the same amount of ICU patients currently admitted in NSW as there was in VICs PEAK last year.
The delta strain may be less lethal (?), but is proving more transmissible.
As someone else said the demographics are very different in this NSW outbreak.
VIC had many in aged care and unvaccinated. NSW has managed to shield them / vaccinate them.
There are roughly the same amount of ICU patients currently admitted in NSW as there was in VICs PEAK last year.
The delta strain may be less lethal (?), but is proving more transmissible.
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Fair enough. Just trying to compare the Wuhan/Melbourne & Delta/Sydney. Realise different demographics,
I'm guessing less cases and less deaths when SYD get to 112 days. (all hoping < 112 lockdown of course)
The delta strain may be less lethal (?), but is proving more transmissible.
I guess thats better than more lethal and less transmissible.
Fair enough. Just trying to compare the Wuhan/Melbourne & Delta/Sydney. Realise different demographics,
I'm guessing less cases and less deaths when SYD get to 112 days. (all hoping < 112 lockdown of course)
The delta strain may be less lethal (?), but is proving more transmissible.
I guess thats better than more lethal and less transmissible.
Don’t know about that. The delta numbers show that its more than twice as contagious, but its hard to compare mortality since there are increasing numbers of the vaccinated which would skew the mortality rates lower. One thing is clear is that covid is going to become an affliction of the unvaccinated, and that cohort will suffer higher risk and higher mortality than ever (in this country) because eventually lockdowns will end, and devil takes the hindmost.
Soooo - In Victoria, from midnight - you are not allowed to go visit your relatives (or anyones) household, BUT you can go to a restaurant or pub!!!! So you can meet your family for dinner in a restaurant with up to 40 people. Makes sense ....