All borders to reopen.
Someone tell me if I've got this completely wrong, but;
If the vaccine works and you get exposed to the virus you're still possibly going to give a positive PCR result as they can pick up the virus RNA even after its been defeated.
Even the governments seem to be ignoring this in their consideration of PCR results - the PCR doesn't mean the virus is still live.
If the vaccine works and you get exposed to the virus you're still possibly going to give a positive PCR result as they can pick up the virus RNA even after its been defeated.
Even the governments seem to be ignoring this in their consideration of PCR results - the PCR doesn't mean the virus is still live.
All hail Comrade Gladys
Looks like it’s taking off in the South West. Ring fence it for heavens sake and kill it.
You cannot rely on the people in those specific areas to follow the rules. She is pleading with them do obey the rules please please please. They are largely the great unwashed and have no idea.
You cannot rely on the people in those specific areas to follow the rules. She is pleading with them do obey the rules please please please. They are largely the great unwashed and have no idea.
It she would’ve just taken it seriously rather than boast about how NSW can handle anything better than any other state.
I know McGowan is loathed here but 3 quick lockdowns and it’s over in a few days. 12 days in total. Now Sydney is looking at 21 days minimum. That’s if the people of Sydney actually take the restrictions seriously. I saw pictures from Bondi Beach over the last week, it was packed and almost no one wearing a mask even if just strolling or sitting. In Perth it is almost unseen to see a person without a mask outside during lockdown unless they are doing heavy exercise.
You can blame the government for their slow acting, but the people’s lax approach to taking this seriously is equally contributing to their situation.
I know McGowan is loathed here but 3 quick lockdowns and it’s over in a few days. 12 days in total. Now Sydney is looking at 21 days minimum. That’s if the people of Sydney actually take the restrictions seriously. I saw pictures from Bondi Beach over the last week, it was packed and almost no one wearing a mask even if just strolling or sitting. In Perth it is almost unseen to see a person without a mask outside during lockdown unless they are doing heavy exercise.
You can blame the government for their slow acting, but the people’s lax approach to taking this seriously is equally contributing to their situation.
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Gladys and NSW was the Gold Standard that the rest of us should follow… until it wasn’t. She has lost control of this.
It really appears that lots of Sydney is just not listening and/or just don’t understand what lockdown means. (Especially in some ‘multi cultural’ areas.)
This could go on for weeks.
(I for one, think that Mark has done a good job.)
It really appears that lots of Sydney is just not listening and/or just don’t understand what lockdown means. (Especially in some ‘multi cultural’ areas.)
This could go on for weeks.
(I for one, think that Mark has done a good job.)
And for the “Covid isn’t really that bad” brigade:
347 cases in this NSW outbreak
37 in hospital (over 10%)
14 of those under 55 (40%)
7 in the ICU, one of those in their 30s.
Yes, vaccination will establish a herd immunity and get things running back to normal but we just don’t have enough vaccinated yet to do this.
347 cases in this NSW outbreak
37 in hospital (over 10%)
14 of those under 55 (40%)
7 in the ICU, one of those in their 30s.
Yes, vaccination will establish a herd immunity and get things running back to normal but we just don’t have enough vaccinated yet to do this.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...lled/100273956
Questions as to whether NSW will return to covid zero status. I do wonder if this is purposeful by the state gov, based on the current restrictions blind Freddy can see that it wont be enough to go back to covid zero.
If this is the case it will have serious implications for domestic (and TT) travel, with NSW essentially cut off from the rest of the country until the vaccination reaches the required threshold (Whatever that % is).
Questions as to whether NSW will return to covid zero status. I do wonder if this is purposeful by the state gov, based on the current restrictions blind Freddy can see that it wont be enough to go back to covid zero.
If this is the case it will have serious implications for domestic (and TT) travel, with NSW essentially cut off from the rest of the country until the vaccination reaches the required threshold (Whatever that % is).
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Someone tell me if I've got this completely wrong, but;
If the vaccine works and you get exposed to the virus you're still possibly going to give a positive PCR result as they can pick up the virus RNA even after its been defeated.
Even the governments seem to be ignoring this in their consideration of PCR results - the PCR doesn't mean the virus is still live.
If the vaccine works and you get exposed to the virus you're still possibly going to give a positive PCR result as they can pick up the virus RNA even after its been defeated.
Even the governments seem to be ignoring this in their consideration of PCR results - the PCR doesn't mean the virus is still live.
PCR replicates a piece of the virus's DNA many times, so that if it's present in a sample (swab, blood sample etc) the DNA can then be detected by traditional lab techniques.
It's debatable whether viruses are living organisms; most of science deems them not to be:
https://www.newscientist.com/questio...viruses-alive/
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...lled/100273956
Questions as to whether NSW will return to covid zero status. I do wonder if this is purposeful by the state gov, based on the current restrictions blind Freddy can see that it wont be enough to go back to covid zero.
If this is the case it will have serious implications for domestic (and TT) travel, with NSW essentially cut off from the rest of the country until the vaccination reaches the required threshold (Whatever that % is).
Questions as to whether NSW will return to covid zero status. I do wonder if this is purposeful by the state gov, based on the current restrictions blind Freddy can see that it wont be enough to go back to covid zero.
If this is the case it will have serious implications for domestic (and TT) travel, with NSW essentially cut off from the rest of the country until the vaccination reaches the required threshold (Whatever that % is).
Did you read the third dot point in the article above?
She is talking about life after October…. I think she is warming NSW up for something. I could we wrong of course.
I for one, think that Mark has done a good job.
If they just let it go, it could bankrupt an airline or both as all the other states won't open up to them.
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Sure but at what price? You can argue endlessly about which strategy is best but the other States need to realise how big Sydney is and you can't just keep grinding to halt every time someone sneezes.
If they just let it go, it could bankrupt an airline or both as all the other states won't open up to them.
If they just let it go, it could bankrupt an airline or both as all the other states won't open up to them.
The other potential loser would be the ACT, who are basically lumped in with NSW.
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Sure but at what price? You can argue endlessly about which strategy is best but the other States need to realise how big Sydney is and you can't just keep grinding to halt every time someone sneezes.
If they just let it go, it could bankrupt an airline or both as all the other states won't open up to them.
If they just let it go, it could bankrupt an airline or both as all the other states won't open up to them.
Can you please explain the point you are trying to make. In your fist paragraph you say “ you can’t shut down Sydney”. In your second, you say, “ if they just let it go it could bankrupt an airline. “
Which is it? Lockdown or let it rip? You can’t have both.
Nope you’ve read it wrong.
From the 1st March
- 458 total cases
- 11 of the those cases were in fully vaccinated travellers
- 405 were unvaccinated.
If you consider that as a percentage of arrivals:
- 1st March to 26th June (15.5 weeks)
- NSW takes 3000 per week
- 46,500 arrivals.
So those 11 FULLY VACCINATED positive cases represent 0.0002% of all arrivals.
From the 1st March
- 458 total cases
- 11 of the those cases were in fully vaccinated travellers
- 405 were unvaccinated.
If you consider that as a percentage of arrivals:
- 1st March to 26th June (15.5 weeks)
- NSW takes 3000 per week
- 46,500 arrivals.
So those 11 FULLY VACCINATED positive cases represent 0.0002% of all arrivals.
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But don’t let some facts get in the way of your irrational fear.
Given the response of various state Premiers so far to relatively insignificant numbers of cases, when viewed against population, I'd argue it is completely rational! Take McGowan, no local cases in my LGA since time began, but still locked out - and based on his CHO's 'irrational fear' it doesn't look like I]'ll be going back to work anytime soon. So much for science-driven decisions. The complete lockout is nothing more than scaremongering and political point scoring.
Originally Posted by dr_dre
I know McGowan is loathed here but 3 quick lockdowns and it’s over in a few days. 12 days in total. Now Sydney is looking at 21 days minimum.
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
Sure but at what price? You can argue endlessly about which strategy is best but the other States need to realise how big Sydney is and you can't just keep grinding to halt every time someone sneezes.
If they just let it go, it could bankrupt an airline or both as all the other states won't open up to them.
If they just let it go, it could bankrupt an airline or both as all the other states won't open up to them.
Personally I think it’s great that it’s out in the community bubbling along. Everyone needs to lose the elimination mindset, it’s not going to happen. The only way restrictions get relaxed is when the general public finally accept that a Covid case is not ‘Breaking News’.
Additionally, every single person in this country (over 18) has now had a chance to vaccinate. If you are that worried about getting Covid you can get the vaccine available. If not, you can have your own private lockdown where you work from home and get everything delivered.
Additionally, every single person in this country (over 18) has now had a chance to vaccinate. If you are that worried about getting Covid you can get the vaccine available. If not, you can have your own private lockdown where you work from home and get everything delivered.
The problem is how the other States will react if NSW just let it go. That is going to cause major headaches for the airlines.
The States went to Canberra and agreed that lockdowns were the last resort. McGowan walked out and said that his definition was different so WA will be carrying on as they were and locking down early. We could very easily be at gridlock again if the country can't agree on a strategy.
The States went to Canberra and agreed that lockdowns were the last resort. McGowan walked out and said that his definition was different so WA will be carrying on as they were and locking down early. We could very easily be at gridlock again if the country can't agree on a strategy.
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The problem is how the other States will react if NSW just let it go. That is going to cause major headaches for the airlines.
The States went to Canberra and agreed that lockdowns were the last resort. McGowan walked out and said that his definition was different so WA will be carrying on as they were and locking down early. We could very easily be at gridlock again if the country can't agree on a strategy.
The States went to Canberra and agreed that lockdowns were the last resort. McGowan walked out and said that his definition was different so WA will be carrying on as they were and locking down early. We could very easily be at gridlock again if the country can't agree on a strategy.
I cant see any other state doing anything other than covid zero until that point. The economic damage would be too great (greater than that of a lockdown anyhow).
Maybe you'd like to expand on the metabolic health of these people who've been struck down with this plague to end all plagues. Or didn't news.com.au go into that?
Gladys and NSW was the Gold Standard that the rest of us should follow… until it wasn’t. She has lost control of this.
It really appears that lots of Sydney is just not listening and/or just don’t understand what lockdown means. (Especially in some ‘multi cultural’ areas.)
This could go on for weeks.
(I for one, think that Mark has done a good job.)
It really appears that lots of Sydney is just not listening and/or just don’t understand what lockdown means. (Especially in some ‘multi cultural’ areas.)
This could go on for weeks.
(I for one, think that Mark has done a good job.)
She probably should have imposed a harsher lockdown but as i have said before,governments are dammed if they do & dammed if they dont.
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Telling people to stay home or shelter in place is worthless and a waste of time..if you’re going to declare some people “essential workers” and require them to work..then they are exposed. Also they’re usually the poor and minorities filling those jobs, delivering your food, stacking toilet paper on shelves, driving the bus..
….usually once their shifts are finished they go back to the most crowded, poorest ventilated and most unhealthy accommodation with their extended families where all respiratory viruses hide.
a half arsed lockdown is worse than no lockdown
….usually once their shifts are finished they go back to the most crowded, poorest ventilated and most unhealthy accommodation with their extended families where all respiratory viruses hide.
a half arsed lockdown is worse than no lockdown
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Telling people to stay home or shelter in place is worthless and a waste of time..if you’re going to declare some people “essential workers” and require them to work..then they are exposed. Also they’re usually the poor and minorities filling those jobs, delivering your food, stacking toilet paper on shelves, driving the bus..
….usually once their shifts are finished they go back to the most crowded, poorest ventilated and most unhealthy accommodation with their extended families where all respiratory viruses hide.
a half arsed lockdown is worse than no lockdown
….usually once their shifts are finished they go back to the most crowded, poorest ventilated and most unhealthy accommodation with their extended families where all respiratory viruses hide.
a half arsed lockdown is worse than no lockdown
That’s also why countries like Indonesia can not follow the same steps as say Australia to combat the virus.
Even in Australia, there is plenty of evidence starting to show up that the majority of people affected by lockdowns are poor/lower middle class, generally in casual or part time employment, in hospitality, retail or other “people” industries (ie shut during lockdowns).
People on higher income are generally more able to WFH, hence they’re happy to continue lockdowns.
Lockdowns are a bad policy. Especially “snap” or “circuit breaker” lockdowns that contribute to business uncertainty.
