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Old 29th Jun 2021, 09:59
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Originally Posted by jrfsp View Post
The uk is actually seeing 200 hospitalisations PER DAY and is starting to increase. What happens when the hospitals reach capacity? More restrictions?
200 per day.

In a country of 67 million…..

That has 122,000 hospital beds available….

Between January-March, 250 people PER DAY were admitted for “General Medicine” (22,000+ in 3 months).

Ahhhhhhh!!!

Bit of perspective please.



A public health system exists to improve outcomes for people affected by disease and injury. If we just “lockdown” for everything, why even bother to have a health system at all???

Ban smoking, driving and alcohol while you’re at it.

And how do you propose a lockdown should be used to prevent the spread of cancer? Or perhaps should people just go to the doctor and use the health system we all pay for?

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Old 29th Jun 2021, 10:14
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
200 in a population of 67 million people.
and this figure is ten times less than the numbers in previous waves. The demographic is vastly differant too. Many more younger people this time, which haven’t been vaccinated yet, and they are much less likely to need ICU treatment or ventilation.
The data is freely available on the U.K. NHS website.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 10:17
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Originally Posted by 3Greens View Post
The data is freely available on the U.K. NHS website.
Ssssshhhhhhhh!

Don’t tell anyone these things called “facts” are available! They’d all rather believe the latest panic driven, click bait headline.

Thanks to the rest of the world, there is a huge amount of data available to show the effectiveness of vaccines. But in Australia we wouldn’t know that because “the data isn’t clear yet”.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 10:38
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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus View Post
200 per day.

In a country of 67 million…..

That has 122,000 hospital beds available….

Between January-March, 250 people PER DAY were admitted for “General Medicine” (22,000+ in 3 months).

Ahhhhhhh!!!

Bit of perspective please.



A public health system exists to improve outcomes for people affected by disease and injury. If we just “lockdown” for everything, why even bother to have a health system at all???

Ban smoking, driving and alcohol while you’re at it.

And how do you propose a lockdown should be used to prevent the spread of cancer? Or perhaps should people just go to the doctor and use the health system we all pay for?
Don’t bother reasoning with jrfsp, he/she has clearly been brainwashed with fear living happily under Herr McGowan’s reich. You know, the people who are OK with a “circuit breaker” lockdown to “crush” the virus, because of 3 whole cases in Perth
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 11:15
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
Don’t bother reasoning with jrfsp, he/she has clearly been brainwashed with fear living happily under Herr McGowan’s reich. You know, the people who are OK with a “circuit breaker” lockdown to “crush” the virus, because of 3 whole cases in Perth
And he as the temerity to provide veiled criticism of Gladys. WA's health system is an utter sh1tfight at the moment. 3rd world stuff. They cannot afford any sort of breakout because the system will quickly become overwhelmed. It's all good though, we have Ningaloo.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 12:09
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I don’t think we can afford a break out ( big) anywhere in Australia. Not just WA. ( yes I agree it seems WA Health is a bit fxxxxd). But I feel that this Delta thing as put a stop to normal again. I just want my second AZ.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 12:51
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
I can imagine proper quarantine arrangements and adequate ICU infrastructure, all of which would cost less than the real cost of the lockdowns and border restrictions.
Yes. When you consider that the initial evacuation flights out of Wuhan, flew to XMas Island where the passengers were isolated for 14 days and as far as I know they didn't lead to community transmission, that should have been the model for repatriation. I'm sure if we dig through the archives we'll find there was probably some facility perfect for this but governments over time have thought "Nah, let it fall apart, we'll never need it". A bit like Trump abolishing the pandemic task force or whatever it was called, thinking it was a waste of money.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 12:54
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Provisional estimates of overseas trips in May 2021 show:
  • A total of 115,600 arrivals
  • 44,600 Australian citizens arrivals (39%), 9,900 permanent visa holders (9%), 52,300 New Zealand citizens (45%) and 10,100 temporary visa holders (9%)
  • A total of 108,300 departures
Overseas Travel Statistics, Provisional, May 2021 | Australian Bureau of Statistics (abs.gov.au)
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 12:57
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Originally Posted by chookcooker View Post
except for the messaging.

it’s not a race,
AZ for adults.
Az only over 50s
wait , AZ only over 60s
hangon, AZ for everyone,
and hurry up and get it!! It’s a race!

then add the fact they knocked back Pfizer for a Israeli style total vaccination plan that would have had us 40M doses by now.
they do perhaps deserve some blame.
This government couldn't roll out a yoga mat. You don't need to look too far at their sheer incompetence and bastardry....... robodebt, sports rorts, community safety grant rorts, prosecution of witness K and BC, not to mention as the 'juice media' observe, the 'useless sack of sh-t' that orchestrated/approved the bugging, goes on to a cushy consultancy with the private company that stood to benefit from the result of the bugging despite at least one legal expert suggesting he broke the law and should be in court instead, who pays the price, the whistle-blowers, the people who they mismanage everything on behalf of, the journalists who try to report it but never those in charge....
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 13:01
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NSW just shut to WA. I think we are almost done. Front doors locked , fire on, wine opened , lets see where this goes.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 13:06
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Yep those THREE cases in Perth must be pretty scary.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 13:20
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
NSW just shut to WA. I think we are almost done. Front doors locked , fire on, wine opened , lets see where this goes.
Shut? Or just require a declaration that you haven’t been to any of the exposure sights?
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 14:42
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
Don’t bother reasoning with jrfsp, he/she has clearly been brainwashed with fear living happily under Herr McGowan’s reich. You know, the people who are OK with a “circuit breaker” lockdown to “crush” the virus, because of 3 whole cases in Perth
Yeah, should’ve just sat on his ass like Gladys over in Sydney, and let it all develop into a 14 day lockdown.

WA has done 5, 3, and 4 days. So less total time for 3 breakouts than Sydney for 1. Even Bruz admitted today they should’ve locked down last week. Whoops.

I don’t like any of this going on either, but either make quarantine air tight and remote, which they won’t or vaccinate a lot of people, which they haven’t.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 15:33
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Yeah, should’ve just sat on his ass like Gladys over in Sydney, and let it all develop into a 14 day lockdown.

WA has done 5, 3, and 4 days. So less total time for 3 breakouts than Sydney for 1. Even Bruz admitted today they should’ve locked down last week. Whoops.

I don’t like any of this going on either, but either make quarantine air tight and remote, which they won’t or vaccinate a lot of people, which they haven’t.
The outbreak started outside quarantine didn’t it? Each state follows its own CMO’s medical advice.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 18:33
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
thanks for admitting it is impossible to police and a bloody stupid idea.

the original post being if you are vaccinated then you do not have to obey lockdowns. The numbers of police required to adequately enforce and check that people moving about are fully vaccinated would require doubling the police force and stopping EVERYONE on the street.

we don’t have 50%, 60% + vaccinated here so our population is still very vulnerable.. any measures taken in countries where they do have those vaccinated rates therefore are irrelevant.


there are some real …… on here. Grow a brain
Settle down dipshit. Think of it like a drivers license, we all need one to be out on the road, and you’re right, they can’t possibly police everyone, but the deterrent to driving without a license is the risk of getting pulled over and checked, followed by the consequences of a fine and possible court appearance. Now translate that into a vaccine certificate that permits you to be out and about during a lockdown.

Some people really need to grow a brain….
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 21:52
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Ops normal here in Tassie except my wife works in one of the large hotels which is now full of mainlanders in quarantine. First time that her hotel has had significant quarantine numbers.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 22:10
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Yep those THREE cases in Perth must be pretty scary.
Are you suggesting the THREE cases are scary or are you suggesting the potential number of cases that could come from those THREE people is? Three cases is not scary at all, but The Delta strain has an R0 of about 7, your THREE cases could be thousands in less than 30 days. A short, sharp lockdown prevents this.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 22:55
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
NSW just shut to WA. I think we are almost done. Front doors locked , fire on, wine opened , lets see where this goes.

this guy works for news.com.au or the dailymail I’m sure of it.

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Old 29th Jun 2021, 23:06
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
Are you suggesting the THREE cases are scary or are you suggesting the potential number of cases that could come from those THREE people is? Three cases is not scary at all, but The Delta strain has an R0 of about 7, your THREE cases could be thousands in less than 30 days. A short, sharp lockdown prevents this.
And how many of those potential cases will need hospital treatment? Data from first world countries showing it’s definitely more infectious but causes serious illness approximately 90% less than previous strains. You don’t see Aussie media reporting that though do you? Doesn’t fit the “let’s keep em scared” narrative.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 23:42
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
And how many of those potential cases will need hospital treatment? Data from first world countries showing it’s definitely more infectious but causes serious illness approximately 90% less than previous strains. You don’t see Aussie media reporting that though do you? Doesn’t fit the “let’s keep em scared” narrative.
Throwing borders open doesn’t fit any health based narrative either.
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