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Old 25th Jun 2021, 10:48
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Yet if Australia had an effective vaccination program, the need for these quarantine camps become redundant pretty quickly.

I chuckle at the hysterical comments asking why the flight crew bus driver wasn't vaccinated, as apparently this would would have stopped the latest outbreak in Sydney. If that's the case, open the borders to vaccinated travellers!

Even leading epidemiologists in Australia concede it will be impossible to keep the virus out on a sustained basis. They call for conversations to be had to somewhat 'prepare' the populus that covid is coming and vaccinations are our best way out. Politicians on the other hand would rather stick their fingers in their ears and bury themselves under a rock.

And your travel insurance is with?
Just a quick Google search reveals at least twenty insurance companies offering cover in the case of being infected with Covid. So even underwriters are moving on with living with this thing. Being fully vaccinated would most likely lead to me not requiring hospital treatment or even worse dying.

Which was the whole end game to begin with right?

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Old 25th Jun 2021, 13:26
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Yes the risk is it may turn out to be unnecessary (as was the case in Perth / Brisbane) but you pretty much guarantee avoiding the situation Syd now finds itself in.
There’s only one guaranteed outcome from a lockdown, and that is this:
Sydney’s one-week lockdown to cost the economy $310 million
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 14:51
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This is madness.. lock the whole place down!!

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...437e3b7ba30cd9
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Fuel-Off
Yet if Australia had an effective vaccination program, the need for these quarantine camps become redundant pretty quickly.

I chuckle at the hysterical comments asking why the flight crew bus driver wasn't vaccinated, as apparently this would would have stopped the latest outbreak in Sydney. If that's the case, open the borders to vaccinated travellers!

Even leading epidemiologists in Australia concede it will be impossible to keep the virus out on a sustained basis. They call for conversations to be had to somewhat 'prepare' the populus that covid is coming and vaccinations are our best way out. Politicians on the other hand would rather stick their fingers in their ears and bury themselves under a rock.



Just a quick Google search reveals at least twenty insurance companies offering cover in the case of being infected with Covid. So even underwriters are moving on with living with this thing. Being fully vaccinated would most likely lead to me not requiring hospital treatment or even worse dying.

Which was the whole end game to begin with right?

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100% Agree - we are beyond a joke here in Oz now.

Can we put all the hysterical types with the anti-vaxxers in an area and keep them locked up while the rest of us just get on with it?
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 23:16
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Originally Posted by SOPS
This is madness.. lock the whole place down!!

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...437e3b7ba30cd9

Tell me you’re from WA without telling me you’re from WA
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 23:23
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Originally Posted by SOPS
This is madness.. lock the whole place down!!

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...437e3b7ba30cd9
Yes,hard to make sense of stuff like this.
I always thought she had done a very good job with her response to outbreaks etc but with what is happening now i think she has not acted quickly enough.
The vic govt stuffed up badly but with the 2 outbreaks we have had this year they have acted quickly & got it under control (many will disagree of course & still have the opinion we live in a dictatorship).
As i have stated previously it doesnt matter to me what side of politics they represent & this shows how quickly things can unravel.
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 23:26
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SOPS, stop spreading fear from the comfort of your train cab. Not helpful.
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 23:31
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One size fits all quarantine?

I repatriated last month. I was fully vaccinated. I had done two government certified COVID tests prior to departure which were on a template that looked difficult to forge. I was coming from a country where COVID was under control, with weeks of "doughnut days" and then the odd minor and soon to be contained outbreak.

Then, the same band of folks I was repatriating with, vaccinated and government tested, were placed in hotel quarantine with Australians repatriating from countries where COVID is out of control and testing known to be forged.

Why? Isn't it blatantly obvious? Thankfully I was vaccinated. Protected from Australia's flawed understanding of quarantine. It is the stupidity of wokeism? We can not say a non-white country is a quarantine threat due to our haunted past. If we stated repatriates from India are high threat of both COVID and inaccurate and forgeable testing, so they can not be placed in a hotel quarantine system, breakout risk is minimalised. But instead, I was advised by Victorian nursing staff my hotel was mixed and matched with repatriating high and low risk Australians.

Going forward, there is some merit in having purpose built quarantine facilities. Though unless we can categorise without apology, countries deemed to have a serious pandemic risk, they will be either used unnecessarily or with the passing of COVID, be more needless government expenditure.

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Old 25th Jun 2021, 23:52
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Why? Isn't it blatantly obvious? Thankfully I was vaccinated. Protected from Australia's flawed understanding of quarantine. It is the stupidity of wokeism? We can not say a non-white country is a quarantine threat due to our haunted past. If we stated repatriates from India are high threat of both COVID and inaccurate and forgeable testing, so they can not be placed in a hotel quarantine system, breakout risk is minimalised. But instead, I was advised by Victorian nursing staff my hotel was mixed and matched with repatriating high and low risk Australians.

Going forward, there is some merit in having purpose built quarantine facilities. Though unless we can categorise without apology, countries deemed to have a serious pandemic risk, they will be either used unnecessarily or with the passing of COVID, be more needless government expenditure.
Returned travelers UK and the US made up the bulk of positive cases in hotel quarantine in January yet no specific harsh measures were applied to any of those nations. Why not? Not “wokeism”, although you claim it must be because you say as of today non-whites aren’t being treated harshly, even though we didn’t treat mostly white returned travelers from the high threat US and UK harshly at the time.

People who complain about “wokeism” are being intellectually lazy.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 00:04
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot
SOPS, stop spreading fear from the comfort of your train cab. Not helpful.
yes it’s like he checks the news every morning and then comes straight to prune to let everyone know how **** their lives are.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 00:54
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Nice try.

If Australia could without apology, categorise a country on the basis of its COVID threat and level of confidence in testing, we could have a rigid quarantine system. India is a basket case and fraudulent testing has been an issue since last year. It has not been called out as such for political fear. Mixing up passengers from India from what could be termed green countries is the height of stupidity ( as with what happened to me ). We are not talking about harsh facilities either, we are talking of purpose built facilities a lot better than being locked up in a hotel room!

If you want to go way back to January, we had another challenge. How do we diplomatically threat categorise our closest allies without offending? Without difficulty if we have a clear threat-tiered quarantine system.

- Home Quarantine: Green Country and Vaccinated.

- Hotel Quarantine: Amber Country (?)

- Purpose Built Facility Quarantine: Red Country (?)
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 01:20
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Or, how about this for an idea, everyone get off their ass get vaccinated. If you look at the data Astra Zeneca is fine the gov just does not want to put their name to it now. But even before said issues with AZ Australians were carrying on like spastics and would rather think it’s better smoking a packet of ciggies and putting what ever else in to their body was perfectly fine but a medically certified drug it’s like no way I’m not putting that into me. We are as a nation some of the biggest idiots in the world and I’m saying that as an Aussie.

It’s time Sco Mo grew a set and started laying down some heavy ultimatums and leading us out of this abmismal mess that seems to keep continuing without an end in sight. Where else in the world are purpose built quarantine camps being constructed? No where but here the idiots we are, our cash be better spent on building new medical facility that could churn out vaccines quickly and whilst it’s being built train and certify every nurse and pharmacist to give it so a doctor does not need to be at every clinic.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 01:52
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Originally Posted by nomorecatering
The fact that it's 1 year into the crisis and we haven't had anything built for it (Open air quarantine station etc), and we only have limited supplies of vaccine is telling of our leadership. It's like Britain ordering Spitfires for the Battle of Britain and getting them in 1950. Our leaders are most certainly not Winston Churchill.

How can 2 bit countries get their vaccination act happening better than Australia which supposedly has the most advanced medical system on the planet.
Stats for vaccinations in the last 24 hrs to 25 June 2021 .https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...-distribution/
China 21 Million
India 5.5 million
Turkey 951,000
Indonesia 545,000
Mexico 445,000
Pakistan 202,000
Australia 100,00 and forcast to DECREASE.
Because, like just about everything else we do now, we have to have Thinktanks, Workshops, Collaborative engagement, committees , review panels etc etc etc before we can even start to do anything.
Having watched Oz from afar for most of 25 years, the level of hand-wringing and tripping over our own feet to be so precisely correct, has created a handrail-holding, betwetting society.

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Old 26th Jun 2021, 02:12
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Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
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Nice try.

If Australia could without apology, categorise a country on the basis of its COVID threat and level of confidence in testing, we could have a rigid quarantine system. India is a basket case and fraudulent testing has been an issue since last year. It has not been called out as such for political fear. Mixing up passengers from India from what could be termed green countries is the height of stupidity ( as with what happened to me ). We are not talking about harsh facilities either, we are talking of purpose built facilities a lot better than being locked up in a hotel room!

If you want to go way back to January, we had another challenge. How do we diplomatically threat categorise our closest allies without offending? Without difficulty if we have a clear threat-tiered quarantine system.

- Home Quarantine: Green Country and Vaccinated.

- Hotel Quarantine: Amber Country (?)

- Purpose Built Facility Quarantine: Red Country (?)
Delta variant (Indian origin) in Syd came from the US. Tier system might not work.


29 cases today. 28 fortunately linked, but 12 were not in isolation.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 02:41
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Reading between the lines of the NSW press conference, all of Sydney will be in lockdown as soon as they can organise the paperwork.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 02:46
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Reading between the lines of the NSW press conference, all of Sydney will be in lockdown as soon as they can organise the paperwork.
I got the impression that lockdowns will extend to a much larger area, or indeed all of Sydney and it will be done this afternoon or tomorrow at the latest.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 02:53
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
Delta variant (Indian origin) in Syd came from the US. Tier system might not work.
Granted SHVC's point, everyone get vaccinated, a tier system is the only way forward if we want to slowly open up. And if it had of been used in the past better resources and intensity applied to high risk Australian repatriates.

That said, so few countries now could be termed low risk. However, be nice to open up to the Pacific Islands for vaccinated travellers. It's a start.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 03:17
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I got the impression that lockdowns will extend to a much larger area, or indeed all of Sydney and it will be done this afternoon or tomorrow at the latest.
It seems the decision has already been made but they need to work out the logistics and the legalities around issuing a city wide lockdown. From what I’ve seen to date, that paperwork side of things seems to be what takes the longest once the decision has been made.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 03:20
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It seems the decision has already been made but they need to work out the logistics and the legalities around issuing a city wide lockdown. From what I’ve seen to date, that paperwork side of things seems to be what takes the longest once the decision has been made.
they are having an emergency cabinet meeting this afternoon…..
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 04:03
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TINDERBOX....
delta variant...unvaccinated population....zero immunity in the community from past infections...not good people.
This is going to be bad.
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