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Old 9th Jun 2021, 06:08
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
I agree throw the book at them. It is a lot easier to monitor the border between SA and VIC compared to VIC and NSW. There are 4 major crossing points between SA and VIC, multiply that by 25 for VIC and NSW. It is about the same multiplication factor for back roads.

Hopefully they will be made to pay, but it won't be enough.
Yes the NSW border is about 4 times the length which a huge number of crossing and police resourcing would be huge, but im guessing it was done last year? Its just so frustrating that domestic travel constantly seems to be taking two steps forward and one step back - i was ranting.

I hope they jail them, but chance would be a fine thing.
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Old 9th Jun 2021, 06:34
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Originally Posted by jrfsp View Post
Yes the NSW border is about 4 times the length which a huge number of crossing and police resourcing would be huge,
Why use Police?

Just use the military with loaded firearms
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Old 9th Jun 2021, 08:34
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
scomo only took it (Pfizer) because that was all that was available at the time. He also took it before the blood clotting issue with the AstraZeneca vaccine became apparent.

he set an example,,led from the front in being vaccinated at the first opportunity. He was vaccinated on Sunday 21 February.

Australia has doubled its coronavirus vaccine stocks after hundreds of thousands of doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine were flown into Sydney on Sunday.

The federal government says it hopes the new vaccine will be going into people's arms from Monday, March 8.

What happened on Sunday?

Three hundred thousand doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab arrived from overseas on a plane which landed at Sydney airport.

https://www.pm.gov.au/media/300000-a...rive-australia
He jumped the queue and took it from frontline medical and quarantine workers. This was also at the same time AZ's effectiveness was being questioned

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...-variant-study
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Old 9th Jun 2021, 11:40
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I hate Morrison with a passion (his politics anyway), but I think he did the right thing as far as vaccines go. He was in a world where Pfizer and AZ were roughly equals and all we had on hand was Pfizer. He took the Pfizer vaccine to set an example about getting the vaccine in general.

Annastacia on the other hand..... Very disappointing leadership.

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Old 9th Jun 2021, 22:35
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
So you are blaming NSW for a Victorian entering QLD via NSW. You are right, lets not blame the individuals who knowing broke the law to do this. Let all the states have armed guards on all the border points at unlimited cost to police this. I'm not sure what was driving your point other than ignorance. Airports are easy, thousands of ground based entry points are not.

And No. I'm not a blues supporter.
These people that continually think the law doesnt apply to them need to take a hard look at themselves.
No denying that governments have stuffed up but how selfish & self centred are these offenders that continually believe they are outside rules put in place.
Many will now use the human rights excuse & any other movement they can latch onto to tell us they dont have to comply.
As you say,how can every border be 100% covered by armed guards!
Absolutely blame the government for their stuff ups but why go soft on these morons who believe they are outside any rule or restriction put in place.
I would guess shes an anti vaxxer too.
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Old 9th Jun 2021, 23:53
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Well now the partner has tested positive, so here we go again.
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 00:17
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
Well now the partner has tested positive, so here we go again.
Have heard too that a family of 3 or 4 have travelled to NZ by an unapproved means,they have been caught & are in quarantine & paying out of their own pocket & police are looking at laying charges,they never learn,probably didnt understand the rules🙄
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 01:04
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Originally Posted by blubak View Post
Have heard too that a family of 3 or 4 have travelled to NZ by an unapproved means,they have been caught & are in quarantine & paying out of their own pocket & police are looking at laying charges,they never learn,probably didnt understand the rules🙄
ha yeh, YES NO boxes..... ohhhh, sorry , I didn稚 understand the question.
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 01:53
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These people that continually think the law doesnt apply to them need to take a hard look at themselves.
No denying that governments have stuffed up but how selfish & self centred are these offenders that continually believe they are outside rules put in place.
FWIW: There are some exemptions to the interstate travel restrictions associated with the Melbourne lockdown. One of them is that persons could depart Victoria if they were travelling to commence employment interstate. The gentleman in question (and his partner) was tested as a requirement of commencing employment on the Sunshine Coast and it was at this point that she was identified as a positive case. It is yet to be confirmed, but he (they) may well have been exempt from the travel limitations.
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Right on cue!
It appears that the couple may have been eligible for an exemption but didn't apply…...

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Old 10th Jun 2021, 02:02
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Originally Posted by C441 View Post
FWIW: There are some exemptions to the interstate travel restrictions associated with the Melbourne lockdown. One of them is that persons could depart Victoria if they were travelling to commence employment interstate. The gentleman in question (and his partner) was tested as a requirement of commencing employment on the Sunshine Coast and it was at this point that she was identified as a positive case. It is yet to be confirmed, but he (they) may well have been exempt from the travel limitations.

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Old 10th Jun 2021, 02:58
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Originally Posted by blubak View Post
These people that continually think the law doesnt apply to them need to take a hard look at themselves.
No denying that governments have stuffed up but how selfish & self centred are these offenders that continually believe they are outside rules put in place.
Many will now use the human rights excuse & any other movement they can latch onto to tell us they dont have to comply.
As you say,how can every border be 100% covered by armed guards!
why do you need armed guards? do we shoot dissenters on sight or is it just a deterrence thing
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 03:00
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Luv Monty

However it is a fair cop as they may have had an reason to leave but, with that exemption to leave and more importantly approvals to enter would have come numerous obligations (which many in this village think are an affront to anyone in aviation) regarding method of travel, testing and restrictions. The correct health/government restriction have not been followed to minimise the risk and now we find ourselves in a 3 state cluster phuck. I do admire how the QLD CHO likes to change her tune when an outbreak occurs in QLD versus closing the borders to other states.
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 03:11
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
I do admire how the QLD CHO likes to change her tune when an outbreak occurs in QLD versus closing the borders to other states.
Two people who brought The Pestilence with them does not an outbreak make...However, should they have passed it on, then yes, it will be interesting to see what happens in Queen-P's-Land.
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 03:51
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I hope you are right K.

I find it interesting that QLD are so quick to lock down the border and keep anyone out and play tough but now that they have 2 positive cases that have made an all stops trip to Queensland she is saying she won't lock anything down and it doesn't seem to bad at the moment just go out and get tested and everything is OK. What a difference a just won election and the ending of jobkeeper make to a pandemic response. And where is the Pfizer stealing Premier gone, doesn't want to answer any questions it would seem. Why should the public be disciplined when our 'leaders' are not.

But because it is easier to police Aviation I suspect there will be no relief in place for the airline industry. Imagine if these two had come in on an airline the response for anyone near them would have been straight into 14 DIQ because that would have been easy.
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 04:35
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Originally Posted by LapSap View Post
ha yeh, YES NO boxes..... ohhhh, sorry , I didn稚 understand the question.
Yep,thats them.
Be no problem in understanding a statement like 'theres $50 in your mail box right now'.
See how they go with that 1!
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 09:04
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Originally Posted by C441 View Post
FWIW: There are some exemptions to the interstate travel restrictions associated with the Melbourne lockdown. One of them is that persons could depart Victoria if they were travelling to commence employment interstate. The gentleman in question (and his partner) was tested as a requirement of commencing employment on the Sunshine Coast and it was at this point that she was identified as a positive case. It is yet to be confirmed, but he (they) may well have been exempt from the travel limitations.
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Right on cue!
It appears that the couple may have been eligible for an exemption but didn't apply...
They may very well have met the requirement for moving to a new location and or job. But entering NSW, I think they were still supposed to follow the requirements of the VIC lockdown, probably something similar when entering QLD, including isolation for 14 days, which from the look of it, they did neither. I hope they get massive fines, new job tells them to pi$$ off. If nothing comes of this, I would be incredibly surprised.
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Old 10th Jun 2021, 23:54
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Originally Posted by blubak View Post
Have heard too that a family of 3 or 4 have travelled to NZ by an unapproved means,they have been caught & are in quarantine & paying out of their own pocket & police are looking at laying charges,they never learn,probably didnt understand the rules🙄
Originally Posted by LapSap View Post
ha yeh, YES NO boxes..... ohhhh, sorry , I didn稚 understand the question.
Local speculation is that they will be arrested on leaving quarantine, remanded in custody (slightly less comfortable than a quarantine hotel), and after trial deported to Australia
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Old 11th Jun 2021, 03:14
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
didn稚 need to be mentioned.

please tell us when the nsw premier received her first AstraZeneca vaccine. In fact she received her SECOND one last week.



you forgot to mention that little fact.
What the hell are you on about? We were talking about the QLD Premier opting for a vaccine on the basis she needed to be at the Olympics. What the hell has that got to do with the NSW Premier?
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Old 11th Jun 2021, 03:17
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Originally Posted by kingRB View Post
why do you need armed guards? do we shoot dissenters on sight or is it just a deterrence thing
The point about armed guards is pathetic. Unless you place guards in a line along the entire border, it's not going to stop someone determined to break the rules. Also, we may be on the road to it but we're not yet a police state.
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Old 11th Jun 2021, 03:23
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Originally Posted by Chris2303 View Post
Why use Police?

Just use the military with loaded firearms
Yes. Let's use the military with loaded firearms. That's step one. Once that's been done how easy do you think it will be to use them again for something less important, then again, then they'll eventually be brought in to shoot people who are participating in peaceful demonstrations.

The reason we don't use the military is because the role of Police in a civil society is to serve and protect the community, the role of the military is to protect the society from its enemies. When you use the military as Police, as has been demonstrated all through history, the enemies of the state tend to become the citizens.
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